France Bans Hijabs for Under 18s

[American Pere Housh]

Once again, we see France target Muslims in the name of Separatism.
You can no longer wear a hijab if you are under 18, cannot wear a burqini in public pools, and cannot accompany children on school trips if you are an adult who wears a hijab.

While they will not yet become law, they reflect the views of the body that will vote them into existence.

Can you all just imagine if Turkey forced all women to wear hijab until they were 18? Or if they banned crop tops and short shorts until they were 18?

France calls this secularism, but as it’s more and more apparent each day. Just a reminder, this is a country that allows kids of any age to drink alcohol at home, but it won’t let girls choose to wear hijab to school. Not ever Muslim girl wants to wear hijab. But I know many who have fought their parents because they want to wear the hijab but their parents don’t want them to.

Laïcité is meant to protect secularism. Instead, it’s strict government control of religion, mainly non-Catholic ones, and especially Islam.
When they banned schoolchildren from wearing religion symbols, they included Hijabs, Sikh turbans, and kippahs altogether, but only “big” crosses.

And you can’t pretend France isn’t completely fine with an all out assault on Islam. Right ing politician Marie Le Pen called for a complete ban on the hijab, and was told she was being too soft on Islam.
This isn’t about terrorism, this is about hatred for Muslims, which has long been part of French history, despite Muslims making up the majority of the Free French Army in World War II.
It is not Islam that is in a crisis. It is France.
Sources:
https://5pillarsuk.com/2021/04/02/frenc ... under-18s/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aj4Hvk27A0M

Maybe if it wasn't for all the terrorist attacks by radical Islamist groups on French soil over the last few decades then there wouldn't be any need for these laws. I understand that most Muslims are a peaceful bunch but those same Muslims need to crack down on those who have become radicalized.

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

I would assimilate into Scottish culture as much as I could, mate.

Easier said than done. Ready to wear a kilt, play bagpipes and say 'aye' instead of 'yes'?

One doesn’t need to partake in every single cultural practice to be considered part of a nation, but their core identity must be with that nation and culture.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Easier said than done. Ready to wear a kilt, play bagpipes and say 'aye' instead of 'yes'?

One doesn’t need to partake in every single cultural practice to be considered part of a nation, but their core identity must be with that nation and culture.

Who says French Muslims aren't like that? You seem to be pro forcing everything 'French' onto Muslims to make them 'French'.

[Insaanistan]

But are you native? Your British culture has Germanic roots, and Germanic tribes are not native to the British Isles. Even many Celts are originally from Spain and France. Your culture is non-native and your ancestors should have conformed to Celtic culture.

You’re equating the pre-historic roots of modern nations (which have by this point existed for practically thousands of years) with the contemporary immigration of people from established societies and nations. England was founded by the Angels, Saxons and Jutes. England has existed for more than a thousand years. Of course I’m native, just as Scots (who came from Ireland) are native to Scotland, and and French are native to France.

And, as Tyrannia pointed out, the modern genetic makeup of the Isles is a hodgepodge of Celtic, Germanic, Norse, Latin, and other Europeans - and more recently non-Europeans.

You’re equating having a culture that’s different with not being patriotic or loyal.

[Old Tyrannia]

England is one of the founding cultures, and the primary/dominant one, of the British nation. England has been inhabited by the English for over a millennium. There is no contemporary connection between England and Germany besides a select few cultural practices with a common, pre-historic origin.

Then get your hands off Ireland, unless the English there endorse Irish culture and become Irish in all except name.

Your ignorance is really testing my good will on Holy Saturday.

[Kilobugya]

When one is more French than Muslim, yes.

What does that even mean ?

And should I lose my French nationality because I consider myself a secular humanist and a socialist/communist more than I consider myself French ? I've more affinity with a Kurdish defender of Rojava's democratic and social state or an Ecuadorian defending the Citizen Revolution of Rafael Correa than I have with Marine Le Pen or Emmanuel Macron.

[Jarvikan]

Good old France,coming up with wacky new laws about nearly everything.At least the civil war will be a few years later though

[Vassenor]

Once again, we see France target Muslims in the name of Separatism.
You can no longer wear a hijab if you are under 18, cannot wear a burqini in public pools, and cannot accompany children on school trips if you are an adult who wears a hijab.

While they will not yet become law, they reflect the views of the body that will vote them into existence.

Can you all just imagine if Turkey forced all women to wear hijab until they were 18? Or if they banned crop tops and short shorts until they were 18?

France calls this secularism, but as it’s more and more apparent each day. Just a reminder, this is a country that allows kids of any age to drink alcohol at home, but it won’t let girls choose to wear hijab to school. Not ever Muslim girl wants to wear hijab. But I know many who have fought their parents because they want to wear the hijab but their parents don’t want them to.

Laïcité is meant to protect secularism. Instead, it’s strict government control of religion, mainly non-Catholic ones, and especially Islam.
When they banned schoolchildren from wearing religion symbols, they included Hijabs, Sikh turbans, and kippahs altogether, but only “big” crosses.

And you can’t pretend France isn’t completely fine with an all out assault on Islam. Right ing politician Marie Le Pen called for a complete ban on the hijab, and was told she was being too soft on Islam.
This isn’t about terrorism, this is about hatred for Muslims, which has long been part of French history, despite Muslims making up the majority of the Free French Army in World War II.
It is not Islam that is in a crisis. It is France.
Sources:
https://5pillarsuk.com/2021/04/02/frenc ... under-18s/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aj4Hvk27A0M

Maybe if it wasn't for all the terrorist attacks by radical Islamist groups on French soil over the last few decades then there wouldn't be any need for these laws. I understand that most Muslims are a peaceful bunch but those same Muslims need to crack down on those who have become radicalized.

So how does terrorism justify legislating what clothes kids are allowed to wear? This just sounds like prime fodder for more radicalisation as Muslims feel pushed out of society.

[Insaanistan]

Easier said than done. Ready to wear a kilt, play bagpipes and say 'aye' instead of 'yes'?

One doesn’t need to partake in every single cultural practice to be considered part of a nation, but their core identity must be with that nation and culture.

French Muslims speak French and when they visit Algeria, Senegal, Morocco, Tunisia, Syria, Mali, Niger etc, they are perceived as French. They go to schools in France, listen to French music, and vote on French politics.

How much more “French” must they be?

[Cosmopolamora]

Honestly state enforced dress codes are really just a pain in the ass, why should anyone be arrested over picking what they wear?

Let the Islam believers be, the ban is way too unnecessary hostile towards them, I wouldn't be surprised if we even see more radicalization in Islamic communeties from this attack on them by the republic, this move has been absolutely reckless by the French government.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Then get your hands off Ireland, unless the English there endorse Irish culture and become Irish in all except name.

Your ignorance is really testing my good will on Holy Saturday.

Isn't that what GBI is trying to say? 'Get away from france unless you are more 'French' (whatever he means by that) than Muslim'?

[Kilobugya]

[French is also an ethnicity, a culture, a national identity. I was using the term in the context of culture.

French is actually NOT an ethnicity. That's one of the main characteristics of the French Republic, and actually, it even somewhat predates it. During the First Republic was considered a French Citizen everyone... born in France, or working in France, or taking care of a French child, or taking care of French elderly. That's how low the bar was. France since the Revolution (and even before) has never defined itself by ethnic or racial criteria.

[Insaanistan]

Once again, we see France target Muslims in the name of Separatism.
You can no longer wear a hijab if you are under 18, cannot wear a burqini in public pools, and cannot accompany children on school trips if you are an adult who wears a hijab.

While they will not yet become law, they reflect the views of the body that will vote them into existence.

Can you all just imagine if Turkey forced all women to wear hijab until they were 18? Or if they banned crop tops and short shorts until they were 18?

France calls this secularism, but as it’s more and more apparent each day. Just a reminder, this is a country that allows kids of any age to drink alcohol at home, but it won’t let girls choose to wear hijab to school. Not ever Muslim girl wants to wear hijab. But I know many who have fought their parents because they want to wear the hijab but their parents don’t want them to.

Laïcité is meant to protect secularism. Instead, it’s strict government control of religion, mainly non-Catholic ones, and especially Islam.
When they banned schoolchildren from wearing religion symbols, they included Hijabs, Sikh turbans, and kippahs altogether, but only “big” crosses.

And you can’t pretend France isn’t completely fine with an all out assault on Islam. Right ing politician Marie Le Pen called for a complete ban on the hijab, and was told she was being too soft on Islam.
This isn’t about terrorism, this is about hatred for Muslims, which has long been part of French history, despite Muslims making up the majority of the Free French Army in World War II.
It is not Islam that is in a crisis. It is France.
Sources:
https://5pillarsuk.com/2021/04/02/frenc ... under-18s/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aj4Hvk27A0M

Maybe if it wasn't for all the terrorist attacks by radical Islamist groups on French soil over the last few decades then there wouldn't be any need for these laws. I understand that most Muslims are a peaceful bunch but those same Muslims need to crack down on those who have become radicalized.

Wearing a hijab isn’t radical. Rojava Free State can tell you about a girl he knew who wore hijab did some very not good stuff in the middle of class.

[Kilobugya]

I’m 14 and old enough to comprehend concepts like God and religion and have been able to since before adolescence.

I definitely was old enough at 14 to understand and reject the concept of God, so while we did reach different conclusions, I definitely respect your right to have your own beliefs at your age.

[Zontano]

Hehe, Hijabs go brrr.

[American Pere Housh]

One doesn’t need to partake in every single cultural practice to be considered part of a nation, but their core identity must be with that nation and culture.

French Muslims speak French and when they visit Algeria, Senegal, Morocco, Tunisia, Syria, Mali, Niger etc, they are perceived as French. They go to schools in France, listen to French music, and vote on French politics.

How much more “French” must they be?

Doesn't the French Military help these countries as well?

[Carthatska]

I'm walking in here having read like half of the first page, but I just don't think governments should be able to regulate clothing.

[American Pere Housh]

Maybe if it wasn't for all the terrorist attacks by radical Islamist groups on French soil over the last few decades then there wouldn't be any need for these laws. I understand that most Muslims are a peaceful bunch but those same Muslims need to crack down on those who have become radicalized.

Wearing a hijab isn’t radical. Rojava Free State can tell you about a girl he knew who wore hijab who blew a guy in the middle of class.

Isaani, you crossing some lines there with that comment?

[Jarvikan]

I think the reason the French government has done this is to pacify the native French population.The country is afraid of a civil war,so they will do anything to stop that

[Kilobugya]

Maybe if it wasn't for all the terrorist attacks by radical Islamist groups on French soil over the last few decades then there wouldn't be any need for these laws. I understand that most Muslims are a peaceful bunch but those same Muslims need to crack down on those who have become radicalized.

Those laws won't do anything against "radicalized Muslims". If anything, by stigmatizing and oppressing the vast majority of moderate Muslims, it'll make it easier for those trying to radicalize vulnerable ones.

[Old Tyrannia]

Your ignorance is really testing my good will on Holy Saturday.

Isn't that what GBI is trying to say? 'Get away from france unless you are more 'French' (whatever he means by that) than Muslim'?

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your delusion that Ireland or some part of it has "English hands" on it, implying there's some kind of English occupation going on over there. Most of Ireland is independent, the part of Ireland that remains part of the United Kingdom does so because that is the will of the majority of the Northern Irish population, and whilst it is true that the majority who support Northern Ireland remaining as part of the UK are in large part descended from settlers from mainland Britain those settlers were overwhelmingly Scottish rather than English, and settled there centuries ago, before most modern Americans' ancestors first arrived in what was to become the United States. Ireland has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and your comparison was an outright silly one.

[Insaanistan]

Wearing a hijab isn’t radical. Rojava Free State can tell you about a girl he knew who wore hijab who blew a guy in the middle of class.

Isaani, you crossing some lines there with that comment?

I am? Sorry. Hold on.

[Salus Maior]

Are you really comparing Richard Spencer here with Mustafa Kemal Atatürk?

Whoa dude. Are irrelevant political nobody like Spencer your way of measuring historically relevant figures? I mean he isn't even nearly as relevant as Nihal Atsiz or Alparslan Türkes were to their time.

Thats like if I would be compare the Amazing Atheist or some random Fedora YouTuber with like, uhm Bernard of Clairvaux?

I'm comparing like with like insofar as they're Ethnonationalists, and an actual fascist with a quasi-fascist. It is worth noting that later Fascists such as Mussolini looked at Ataturk's Turkey as a proof-of-concept for their own ideas. Religion, by and large, is a check against Nationalism (there are exceptions of course, MAGA Christians for example but I have my own analysis of them which would take too much time to get into), and this is something that was observed by Orwell of all people. So, for Nationalists religion is typically a roadblock because it promotes universal values rather than values centered on race, ethnicity, or other "nation-first" ideas.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Maybe if it wasn't for all the terrorist attacks by radical Islamist groups on French soil over the last few decades then there wouldn't be any need for these laws. I understand that most Muslims are a peaceful bunch but those same Muslims need to crack down on those who have become radicalized.

So how does terrorism justify legislating what clothes kids are allowed to wear? This just sounds like prime fodder for more radicalisation as Muslims feel pushed out of society.

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

[Carthatska]

So how does terrorism justify legislating what clothes kids are allowed to wear? This just sounds like prime fodder for more radicalisation as Muslims feel pushed out of society.

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

The only thing I can think is that France is trying to keep kids from becoming radicalized when they're... kids? I don't know, France is weird.