Russian Opposition Leader Navalny Announces Hunger Strike

[Sharania]

Gee it's almost like there is a correlation between Bolsheviks and victims of pogroms

Care to elaborate here?

[Salus Maior]

Gee it's almost like there is a correlation between Bolsheviks and victims of pogroms

Care to elaborate here?

Maybe take it to a different thread.

[Sungoldy-China]

It's ok,
The Russians’ desire for democracy and freedom brought the disintegration of the Soviet Union and shock therapy.
Now the Russians are starting again,
When the next Yeltsin comes to power, the Russians will continue to welcome the next Putin. History is a reincarnation, and humans are a repeater.

[Chan Island]

I'm surprised he's still alive, considering Putin's previous track record in outright murdering his opponents.

Wishing Navalny the best, but not very optimistic. He knew he was going to be walking into a death trap when he returned to Russia, yet he came back anyway. I don't expect him to survive this hunger strike.

[Ethel mermania]

All the Bolshevik's crimes are the result of the evil west? Ok, cool story bro.

Like so often, yes. Foreign intervention by western imperialists f*cks up countries for decades if not more - that was the case in Vietnam and Cambodia (Pol Pot and his murdering sect would never have taken power if not for the west), it was the case in Afghanistan (the Taliban took power thanks to the west), it was the case in Iran (the Islamic Revolution wouldn't have occurred that way if not for the west supporting the Shah), and examples are countless. The west messing up in Russia is what brought forth Stalin and his crimes, by coercing the Bolchevik to betray their ideal for survival.

Lenin was a brutal dictator from the get go. This " good soviets" idea is a wet dream.

[Risottia]

Like so often, yes. Foreign intervention by western imperialists f*cks up countries for decades if not more - that was the case in Vietnam and Cambodia (Pol Pot and his murdering sect would never have taken power if not for the west), it was the case in Afghanistan (the Taliban took power thanks to the west), it was the case in Iran (the Islamic Revolution wouldn't have occurred that way if not for the west supporting the Shah), and examples are countless. The west messing up in Russia is what brought forth Stalin and his crimes, by coercing the Bolchevik to betray their ideal for survival.

Lenin was a brutal dictator from the get go. This " good soviets" idea is a wet dream.

Considering how there was foreign intervention in the Civil war (especially Western, both Entente and Central Powers) from the get-go, I think you're not countering Kilo's point very effectively.

[Ethel mermania]

Lenin was a brutal dictator from the get go. This " good soviets" idea is a wet dream.

Considering how there was foreign intervention in the Civil war (especially Western, both Entente and Central Powers) from the get-go, I think you're not countering Kilo's point very effectively.

It was a dismissive one off snark yes.

But I base it specifically on Dr. Jones posts on the topic, which with any luck I have linked too here.


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[Ifreann]

I'm surprised he's still alive, considering Putin's previous track record in outright murdering his opponents.

Wishing Navalny the best, but not very optimistic. He knew he was going to be walking into a death trap when he returned to Russia, yet he came back anyway. I don't expect him to survive this hunger strike.

Presumably there's an attempt at striking a balance between making Navalny suffer and turning him into a martyr.

[SD_Film Artists]

In other Russia news, 'it's so dangerous on the Ukrainian border that we need to place tanks n' stuff next to it as we don't want anything bad happening to Ukraine, I mean it could get destroyed or something' - Russia
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... y-build-up

[Sharania]

In other Russia news, 'it's so dangerous on the Ukrainian border that we need to place tanks n' stuff next to it as we don't want anything bad happening to Ukraine, I mean it could get destroyed or something' - Russia
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... y-build-up

A) This is offtopic. Want to talk about it - make your own thread.

B) Do you have anything to say on-topic? At all?

[-Ocelot-]

In other Russia news, 'it's so dangerous on the Ukrainian border that we need to place tanks n' stuff next to it as we don't want anything bad happening to Ukraine, I mean it could get destroyed or something' - Russia
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... y-build-up

How do Kremlin apologists defend this? Do they try to divert attention elsewhere?

[Ethel mermania]

In other Russia news, 'it's so dangerous on the Ukrainian border that we need to place tanks n' stuff next to it as we don't want anything bad happening to Ukraine, I mean it could get destroyed or something' - Russia
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... y-build-up

How are Kremlin apologists defend this? Do they try to divert attention elsewhere?

Easy, there is instability in the Ukraine, we need to protect our interests.

[Dresderstan]

Then I might as well say RIP to him and his dream of becoming president. Nothing will stop Putin from remaining as President.

[-Ocelot-]

Then I might as well say RIP to him and his dream of becoming president. Nothing will stop Putin from remaining as President.

Navalny will never become president but I respect his bravery. going back to his country and basically guaranteeing himself a premature death takes some balls.

[Saiwania]

Hunger strikes are stupid because there is no real leverage to be had. The opponent is either going to feed the person by force or let them starve to death. It is only to their loss if they don't cooperate when they don't have any cards to play in negotiating.

[SD_Film Artists]

In other Russia news, 'it's so dangerous on the Ukrainian border that we need to place tanks n' stuff next to it as we don't want anything bad happening to Ukraine, I mean it could get destroyed or something' - Russia
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... y-build-up

A) This is offtopic. Want to talk about it - make your own thread.

B) Do you have anything to say on-topic? At all?

A) Perhaps I'm too western-centric but I thought 'Russian government doing stuff in an increasingly heavy-handed way' would have fit the bill; but fair enough, it's not strictly about Navalny so I won't talk about it more in this thread.

On a side note, the last time I made a new thread about mere sabre-rattling it later turned into a full-blown war. Do you want to be tempting fate?

B) I'm generally not for this sort of thing. I don't expect that Russia is high on the Freedom Index.

[Bear Stearns]

In other Russia news, 'it's so dangerous on the Ukrainian border that we need to place tanks n' stuff next to it as we don't want anything bad happening to Ukraine, I mean it could get destroyed or something' - Russia
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... y-build-up

Roll 'em all the way into Kiev. Let's go.

[Sharania]

It’s been 18 days since Navalny went on hunger strike.

Le Monde (France) published an open letter, where the famous people of all the world are demanding release of Navalny and call for immediate medical help, before he dies.

Their names:

J. J. Abrams, réalisateur ; Svetlana Alexievitch, écrivaine, prix Nobel de littérature (2015) ; Martin Amis, écrivain ; Anne Applebaum, journaliste et historienne ; Christopher Buckley, journaliste et romancier ; Ken Burns, réalisateur ; Emmanuel Carrère, écrivain ; Christopher Clark, historien ; J. M. Coetzee, écrivain, prix Nobel de littérature (2003) ; Benedict Cumberbatch, acteur ; Alan Cumming, acteur ; Michael Cunningham, écrivain ; Rachel Cusk, écrivaine ; David Duchovny, acteur ; Louise Erdrich, écrivaine ; Sir Richard J. Evans, historien ; Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall, chef cuisinier et écrivain ; Niall Ferguson, historien ; Ralph Fiennes, acteur ; Orlando Figes, historien ; Antonia Fraser, historienne et romancière ; Stephen Fry, comédien, auteur ; Neil Gaiman, écrivain ; Henry Louis Gates Jr., historien ; Louise Glück, poétesse, prix Nobel de littérature (2020) ; Matt Haig, écrivain ; David Hare, réalisateur ; Robert Harris, écrivain ; Daniel Kehlmann, écrivain ; Etgar Keret, écrivain ; David Lagercrantz, journaliste et écrivain ; Jude Law, acteur ; Marc Levy, écrivain ; Ling Ma, écrivaine ; Ben Macintyre, écrivain et historien ; Hilary Mantel, écrivaine ; Agnès Martin-Lugand, écrivaine ; Natascha McElhone, actrice ; Ian McKellen, acteur ; Catherine Merridale, historienne ; Herta Müller, écrivaine, prix Nobel de littérature (2009) ; Peter Nadas, écrivain ; Sylvia Nasar, journaliste ; Bill Nighy, acteur ; Suzanne Nossel, écrivaine ; Amélie Nothomb, écrivaine ; Michael Ondaatje, écrivain ; George Packer, journaliste ; Orhan Pamuk, écrivain et prix Nobel de littérature (2006) ; Robert Peston, journaliste ; Maria Popova, écrivaine ; Richard Powers, écrivain ; Ellendea Proffer Teasley, écrivaine ; Vanessa Redgrave, actrice ; David Remnick, journaliste ; J.K. Rowling, écrivaine, Arundhati Roy, écrivaine ; Salman Rushdie, écrivain ; Philippe Sands, écrivain ; Nitin Sawhney, compositeur ; Simon Schama, historien ; Samanta Schweblin, écrivaine ; Kristin Scott Thomas, actrice ; Simon Sebag Montefiore, écrivain ; Elif Shafak, écrivaine ; Peter Singer, philosophe ; Ali Smith, écrivaine ; Timothy Snyder, historien ; Art Spiegelman, dessinateur-illustrateur ; Juliet Stevenson, actrice ; Tom Stoppard, dramaturge ; Patrick Süskind, écrivain ; Colm Toibin, écrivain ; Björn Ulvaeus, guitariste ; Tim Weiner, écrivain ; Simon Winchester, journaliste ; John Wray, écrivain ; Thom Yorke, musicien

During his absolutely 100% unnecessary phone call to Putin (wrong kind of signal, that seems to reward his behavior) President of the United States and leader of the Free World Joseph Biden DID NOT MENTION NAVALNY. Not even once!!! What a shame!

You know, what’s worse than a fear of your own death? A feeling of helplessness in preventing someone else’s death. I can’t imagine what Navalny’s family, friends and supporters are feeling right now, knowing about his rapidly declining health.

I hope Mr. President and his team will ask themselves at least once in the following days: “Did we, most powerful people on the planed, do everything to save Navalny? What are we going to do, when he dies on our watch?”.

[Sengoku Americas]

And media conveniently leaves out how he's also a far-right politician who has alarming views on how Muslims should be treated. Putin is bad- particularly his views on LGBT persons- but it's irresponsible to only criticise him. To be fair, I guess you can't attack foreign countries "human rights" record without leaving out this and that.

[Sengoku Americas]

I hope Mr. President and his team will ask themselves at least once in the following days: “Did we, most powerful people on the planed, do everything to save Navalny? What are we going to do, when he dies on our watch?”.

Well I hope your president and his team will ask themselves "why did we try to interfere in Russia again?" The US is in no position to speak about human rights in foreign countries.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

It’s been 18 days since Navalny went on hunger strike.

Le Monde (France) published an open letter, where the famous people of all the world are demanding release of Navalny and call for immediate medical help, before he dies.

Their names:

J. J. Abrams, réalisateur ; Svetlana Alexievitch, écrivaine, prix Nobel de littérature (2015) ; Martin Amis, écrivain ; Anne Applebaum, journaliste et historienne ; Christopher Buckley, journaliste et romancier ; Ken Burns, réalisateur ; Emmanuel Carrère, écrivain ; Christopher Clark, historien ; J. M. Coetzee, écrivain, prix Nobel de littérature (2003) ; Benedict Cumberbatch, acteur ; Alan Cumming, acteur ; Michael Cunningham, écrivain ; Rachel Cusk, écrivaine ; David Duchovny, acteur ; Louise Erdrich, écrivaine ; Sir Richard J. Evans, historien ; Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall, chef cuisinier et écrivain ; Niall Ferguson, historien ; Ralph Fiennes, acteur ; Orlando Figes, historien ; Antonia Fraser, historienne et romancière ; Stephen Fry, comédien, auteur ; Neil Gaiman, écrivain ; Henry Louis Gates Jr., historien ; Louise Glück, poétesse, prix Nobel de littérature (2020) ; Matt Haig, écrivain ; David Hare, réalisateur ; Robert Harris, écrivain ; Daniel Kehlmann, écrivain ; Etgar Keret, écrivain ; David Lagercrantz, journaliste et écrivain ; Jude Law, acteur ; Marc Levy, écrivain ; Ling Ma, écrivaine ; Ben Macintyre, écrivain et historien ; Hilary Mantel, écrivaine ; Agnès Martin-Lugand, écrivaine ; Natascha McElhone, actrice ; Ian McKellen, acteur ; Catherine Merridale, historienne ; Herta Müller, écrivaine, prix Nobel de littérature (2009) ; Peter Nadas, écrivain ; Sylvia Nasar, journaliste ; Bill Nighy, acteur ; Suzanne Nossel, écrivaine ; Amélie Nothomb, écrivaine ; Michael Ondaatje, écrivain ; George Packer, journaliste ; Orhan Pamuk, écrivain et prix Nobel de littérature (2006) ; Robert Peston, journaliste ; Maria Popova, écrivaine ; Richard Powers, écrivain ; Ellendea Proffer Teasley, écrivaine ; Vanessa Redgrave, actrice ; David Remnick, journaliste ; J.K. Rowling, écrivaine, Arundhati Roy, écrivaine ; Salman Rushdie, écrivain ; Philippe Sands, écrivain ; Nitin Sawhney, compositeur ; Simon Schama, historien ; Samanta Schweblin, écrivaine ; Kristin Scott Thomas, actrice ; Simon Sebag Montefiore, écrivain ; Elif Shafak, écrivaine ; Peter Singer, philosophe ; Ali Smith, écrivaine ; Timothy Snyder, historien ; Art Spiegelman, dessinateur-illustrateur ; Juliet Stevenson, actrice ; Tom Stoppard, dramaturge ; Patrick Süskind, écrivain ; Colm Toibin, écrivain ; Björn Ulvaeus, guitariste ; Tim Weiner, écrivain ; Simon Winchester, journaliste ; John Wray, écrivain ; Thom Yorke, musicien

During his absolutely 100% unnecessary phone call to Putin (wrong kind of signal, that seems to reward his behavior) President of the United States and leader of the Free World Joseph Biden DID NOT MENTION NAVALNY. Not even once!!! What a shame!

You know, what’s worse than a fear of your own death? A feeling of helplessness in preventing someone else’s death. I can’t imagine what Navalny’s family, friends and supporters are feeling right now, knowing about his rapidly declining health.

I hope Mr. President and his team will ask themselves at least once in the following days: “Did we, most powerful people on the planed, do everything to save Navalny? What are we going to do, when he dies on our watch?”.

His death will be by design, not by accident. This is exactly what happened to Liu Xiaobo. Right when Navalny is on the very brink of death, Russia will "generously invite" foreign doctors into the country to attempt to "save his life", only for him to die anyway. Or he might just "hang himself" with his feet touching the ground. That's how fucked up these people are.

[-Ocelot-]

Yeah, he is going to be murdered eventually. The worst thing is how many supporters of this regime will celebrate the death of a "foreign agent".

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

And media conveniently leaves out how he's also a far-right politician who has alarming views on how Muslims should be treated. Putin is bad- particularly his views on LGBT persons- but it's irresponsible to only criticise him. To be fair, I guess you can't attack foreign countries "human rights" record without leaving out this and that.

^

Nalvany may be a symbol for the democratic opposition, but he would be much, much worse than Putin if he ever got anywhere near power.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah, he is going to be murdered eventually. The worst thing is how many supporters of this regime will celebrate the death of a "foreign agent".

Im genuinely surprised he isnt dead already honestly.

[Kowani]

Navalny at growing risk of kidney failure due to hunger strike