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Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:37 am
by Insaanistan
On May 25, 2020, former Officer Derek Michael Chauvin killed George Floyd after suffocating him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Floyd’s killing started global protests in support of the Black Lives Matter Movement. Chauvin is now set to be on trial. This case is like the Rodney King case and the Trial of the Chicago 7 of this century. Trial has not yet begun, but obstacles already reared their ugly heads: it was difficult to select a jury when the case has been so publicized already for so long. Nevertheless, the legal process will go on in the murder trial.

Why was George Floyd killed?
Floyd went to a convenience store to buy cigarettes, and used a $20 bill. The Arab-American store owner suspected it was fake, so his black clerk called the police. The police came and forced Floyd to the ground despite his repeated pleas he was claustrophobic, scared and uncomfortable. Derek Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, as Floyd pleaded he couldn’t breathe. One of the last things Floyd said was “Mama. Tell my kids I love them. I’m dead.”
The 46 year old died that day as a result of Chauvin’s actions.

Floyd died from an overdose, right?
Well, no. The autopsy didn’t conclude Floyd died from drug overdose. It concluded he had fentanyl in his system, but so does everyone else, actually. One autopsy concluded he had high fentanyl levels but that ultimately he died from heart complications brought on by Chauvin suffocating him. Another concluded he died from suffocation. Neither conclude drugs were the cause of his death.

So, what happened?
This incident gave new life to the Civil Rights Movement as people around the world rallied in support of BLM. Riots did occur, though a majority of the damage occurred from rioters and looters who swept in AFTER the actual protesters. It forced companies to begin looking at racist imagery from their products or services, though many times it was things that frankly made little sense to remove. Asian Americans began looking at their own communities’ racism against black people: the store that called the cops was Arab-American. One of the officers with Chauvin was Hmong American (prominent Asian Americans such as Hasan Minhaj played a significant role in this).

Now, we wait and watch the trial.
The judge, the jury, Chauvin and Floyd’s family all know...
”The whole world is watching!”

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:40 am
by Jarvikan
George did threaten to kill a pregnant woman if she didn’t give him her purse but OK

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:42 am
by Insaanistan
Jarvikan wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:On May 25, 2020, former Officer Derek Michael Chauvin killed George Floyd after suffocating him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Floyd’s killing started global protests in support of the Black Lives Matter Movement. Chauvin is now set to be on trial. This case is like the Rodney King case and the Trial of the Chicago 7 of this century. Trial has not yet begun, but obstacles already reared their ugly heads: it was difficult to select a jury when the case has been so publicized already for so long. Nevertheless, the legal process will go on in the murder trial.

Why was George Floyd killed?
Floyd went to a convenience store to buy cigarettes, and used a $20 bill. The Arab-American store owner suspected it was fake, so his black clerk called the police. The police came and forced Floyd to the ground despite his repeated pleas he was claustrophobic, scared and uncomfortable. Derek Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, as Floyd pleaded he couldn’t breathe. One of the last things Floyd said was “Mama. Tell my kids I love them. I’m dead.”
The 46 year old died that day as a result of Chauvin’s actions.

Floyd died from an overdose, right?
Well, no. The autopsy didn’t conclude Floyd died from drug overdose. It concluded he had fentanyl in his system, but so does everyone else, actually. One autopsy concluded he had high fentanyl levels but that ultimately he died from heart complications brought on by Chauvin suffocating him. Another concluded he died from suffocation. Neither conclude drugs were the cause of his death.

So, what happened?
This incident gave new life to the Civil Rights Movement as people around the world rallied in support of BLM. Riots did occur, though a majority of the damage occurred from rioters and looters who swept in AFTER the actual protesters. It forced companies to begin looking at racist imagery from their products or services, though many times it was things that frankly made little sense to remove. Asian Americans began looking at their own communities’ racism against black people: the store that called the cops was Arab-American. One of the officers with Chauvin was Hmong American (prominent Asian Americans such as Hasan Minhaj played a significant role in this).

Now, we wait and watch the trial.
The judge, the jury, Chauvin and Floyd’s family all know...
”The whole world is watching!”

George did threaten to kill a pregnant woman if she didn’t give him her purse but OK
Nice try, but no, he didn’t.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:42 am
by Ifreann
Is there anything more American than a criminal trial becoming a television event?


Jarvikan wrote:George did threaten to kill a pregnant woman if she didn’t give him her purse but OK

What?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:44 am
by Picairn
Sacco and Vanzetti, the Lindbergh kidnapping, O. J. Simpson, now Derek Chauvin, joining the Hall of famous trials in history.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:44 am
by South Americanastan
Look, I know current events usually get threads, but no matter how prepared you are, you are not prepared for the political shitstorm this is going to become. This thread was a horrible idea.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:45 am
by Insaanistan
Ifreann wrote:Is there anything more American than a criminal trial becoming a television event?


Jarvikan wrote:George did threaten to kill a pregnant woman if she didn’t give him her purse but OK

What?

It’s a different incident, but people are pretending it’s Floyd in the video as a sort of justification.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:46 am
by Insaanistan
South Americanastan wrote:Look, I know current events usually get threads, but no matter how prepared you are, you are not prepared for the political shitstorm this is going to become. This thread was a horrible idea.

Touché. Touché. I don’t know just how bad the political tale will be.
But that won’t stop me.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:46 am
by Jarvikan
Insaanistan wrote:
Jarvikan wrote:George did threaten to kill a pregnant woman if she didn’t give him her purse but OK
Nice try, but no, he didn’t.


After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:48 am
by The Jamesian Republic
Hopefully there is justice

Even if Floyd was resisting Chauvin should not have pinned him. Once Floyd was the ground the cuffs should have been put on and Floyd should have been put in the car as quickly as possible before Floyd could resist or get back up. I think that is how it usually goes right?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:49 am
by Ifreann
Jarvikan wrote:


After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine

Any crimes Floyd might have committed in the past have no bearing on whether it was legal for Chauvin to kill him.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:49 am
by Kannap
Jarvikan wrote:


After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine


Both entirely separate events from the incident that occurred last year and neither justification for his murder.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:50 am
by Insaanistan
Jarvikan wrote:


After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine

In 2007, not 2020.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:50 am
by Kannap
As always, I hope for justice. But I don't hold my breath. I'd bet money on Chauvin being let off.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:51 am
by Gravlen
Jarvikan wrote:


After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine

And? What's the relevance?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:51 am
by Jarvikan
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Hopefully there is justice

Even if Floyd was resisting Chauvin should not pinned him. Once Floyd was the ground the cuffs should have been put on and Floyd should have been put in the car as quickly as possible before Floyd could resist or get back up. I think that is how it usually goes right?

In a perfect world yes,but we don’t live in something like that

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:52 am
by Kannap
Insaanistan wrote:
Jarvikan wrote:
After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine

In 2007, not 2020.


And even if here were being arrested for cocaine possession or theft at the time of his death (he wasn't), that wouldn't justify his murder. Cops aren't supposed to play judge, jury, and executioner in the streets but they have increasingly done so and routinely murder people that should still be alive today.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:52 am
by Picairn
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Hopefully there is justice

Even if Floyd was resisting Chauvin should not have pinned him. Once Floyd was the ground the cuffs should have been put on and Floyd should have been put in the car as quickly as possible before Floyd could resist or get back up. I think that is how it usually goes right?

Yeah, kneeling on his neck was just cold-blooded murder.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:53 am
by Kannap
Jarvikan wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Hopefully there is justice

Even if Floyd was resisting Chauvin should not pinned him. Once Floyd was the ground the cuffs should have been put on and Floyd should have been put in the car as quickly as possible before Floyd could resist or get back up. I think that is how it usually goes right?

In a perfect world yes,but we don’t live in something like that


Well, no, not even "in a perfect world," in a perfect world, everybody gets along, there's no crime, and people don't get murdered. Holding police accountable and expecting them to do a better job is totally within the realm of a normal and achievable world.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:54 am
by Galloism
Gravlen wrote:
Jarvikan wrote:
After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine

And? What's the relevance?

And none is the correct answer of course.

He could have just fired a stinger missile at a busload of nuns and police should still attempt to capture him alive. Once they've done so, and he's in handcuffs (which he was by the way), they can't extrajudicially kill him afterwards either.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:54 am
by The Jamesian Republic
Jarvikan wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Hopefully there is justice

Even if Floyd was resisting Chauvin should not pinned him. Once Floyd was the ground the cuffs should have been put on and Floyd should have been put in the car as quickly as possible before Floyd could resist or get back up. I think that is how it usually goes right?

In a perfect world yes,but we don’t live in something like that


Unfortunately yes that’s the case. *sigh*

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:58 am
by The New California Republic
Please let it not be an all-white or overwhelming majority white jury and they acquit him, there'll be serious unrest for weeks if that happens.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:58 am
by Silvedania
Really hope Chauvin is convicted

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:02 am
by The Jamesian Republic
Galloism wrote:
Gravlen wrote:And? What's the relevance?

And none is the correct answer of course.

He could have just fired a stinger missile at a busload of nuns and police should still attempt to capture him alive. Once they've done so, and he's in handcuffs (which he was by the way), they can't extrajudicially kill him afterwards either.


Once you are in handcuffs that’s really about it for any type of escape or resistance so afterwards he should have been put in the back of the car.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:03 am
by Picairn
The New California Republic wrote:Please let it not be an all-white or overwhelming majority white jury and they acquit him, there'll be serious unrest for weeks if that happens.

There is one Black woman, two multiracial women, three White men, three Black men and six White women. Seven are under 40 years old.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... rge-floyd/