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Is Derek Chauvin Guilty?

Yes, he was completely responsible.
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I don’t know. I need more information first.
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No, Floyd had a heart attack.
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No, Floyd had a drug overdose.
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Other
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:45 pm

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Neither do I, especially since her name and face were clearly shown. If there's going to be a mistrial, there's going to be retribution against her. It's the epitome of stupidity.


It will be her fault if this man doesn't go to prison.


A mistrial could lead to another trial, where he'd be convicted. So I doubt that he'd be able to avoid prison. From Google:

In the event of a mistrial, the defendant is not convicted, but neither is the defendant acquitted. An acquittal results from a not guilty verdict and cannot be appealed by the prosecution, overturned by the judge, or retried. When there is a mistrial, however, the case may be retried.


The problem's that the case was going really well for the prosecution and not quite so well for the defense, so a mistrial would benefit Chauvin.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:46 pm

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It will be her fault if this man doesn't go to prison.


A mistrial could lead to another trial, where he'd be convicted. So I doubt that he'd be able to avoid prison. From Google:

In the event of a mistrial, the defendant is not convicted, but neither is the defendant acquitted. An acquittal results from a not guilty verdict and cannot be appealed by the prosecution, overturned by the judge, or retried. When there is a mistrial, however, the case may be retried.


The problem's that the case was going really well for the prosecution and not quite so well for the defense, so a mistrial would benefit Chauvin.


Hopefully there isn't one.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:01 pm

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A mistrial could lead to another trial, where he'd be convicted. So I doubt that he'd be able to avoid prison. From Google:



The problem's that the case was going really well for the prosecution and not quite so well for the defense, so a mistrial would benefit Chauvin.


Hopefully there isn't one.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
A mistrial could lead to another trial, where he'd be convicted. So I doubt that he'd be able to avoid prison. From Google:



The problem's that the case was going really well for the prosecution and not quite so well for the defense, so a mistrial would benefit Chauvin.


Hopefully there isn't one.

However it is the defense attorneys job to ask for one if he thinks it would benefit his client. And I think now he has three.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:21 pm

Shofercia wrote:Damn, I was hoping this wouldn't happen, but here we are, introducing, idiota numero uno: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/judge-war ... 9395525925

This is in NBC, it's a pro-Dem station. Why the fuck would you want to take photos near the Jury Box? She claims ignorance, but that's fucking bullshit. During the initial introduction, the Judge asked the Jury to stay within the lines to avoid broadcast cameras. That means that said lines were fairly visible to anyone in the Courtroom. Why the fuck would you...

And the sad part is that even though this should have no bearing on the trial, since Chauvin is guilty as sin, now a Juror might claim that he or she was intimidated by that idiot, and there's a mistrial claim. Who let that idiot into the Courtroom?

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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:33 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:03 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:05 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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There is absolutely zero excuse for this man to be acquitted or get a mistrial.

A mistrial has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, but procedure. If the procedure is faulty, he absolutely deserves a mistrial.


Yet there seems to be little one could use as grounds for one.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A mistrial has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, but procedure. If the procedure is faulty, he absolutely deserves a mistrial.


Yet there seems to be little one could use as grounds for one.

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Postby Center Land » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:11 pm

If he is acquitted there will be rioting. If he is found guilty there will be rioting.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:11 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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Yet there seems to be little one could use as grounds for one.

Venue
Depossed testimony not allowed
Anominity of the jurors being breached.

Where the heck should it be instead?

despossed testimony? What is that?

That one i will give you. It seems some reporters can't follow rules and almost want him to get off. The judge should flat out refuse to to declare a mistrial. This man is beyond guilty.

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Postby Xmara » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:29 pm

Center Land wrote:If he is acquitted there will be rioting. If he is found guilty there will be rioting.

If he’s acquitted, there’ll be rioting. Not sure if there will be rioting if he’s found guilty though.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:30 pm

Xmara wrote:
Center Land wrote:If he is acquitted there will be rioting. If he is found guilty there will be rioting.

If he’s acquitted, there’ll be rioting. Not sure if there will be rioting if he’s found guilty though.


I doubt there will be rioting if he's found guilty.

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Postby South Americanastan » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:31 pm

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Xmara wrote:If he’s acquitted, there’ll be rioting. Not sure if there will be rioting if he’s found guilty though.


I doubt there will be rioting if he's found guilty.

Unless he's given a death sentence, there's going to be group rioting because they believe the punishment isn't enough.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:32 pm

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I doubt there will be rioting if he's found guilty.

Unless he's given a death sentence, there's going to be group rioting because they believe the punishment isn't enough.


Minnesota doesn't have the death penalty. It was abolished in 1911.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:32 pm

South Americanastan wrote:
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I doubt there will be rioting if he's found guilty.

Unless he's given a death sentence, there's going to be group rioting because they believe the punishment isn't enough.

If he's still given a death sentence, there's going to be a group rioting because they feel like he shouldn't get a death sentence.
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Postby Esalia » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:32 pm

Xmara wrote:
Center Land wrote:If he is acquitted there will be rioting. If he is found guilty there will be rioting.

If he’s acquitted, there’ll be rioting. Not sure if there will be rioting if he’s found guilty though.


You might have some incidents, but I think it should be self-evident that rioting is more likely if he's acquitted than if he's found guilty.
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Postby South Americanastan » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:34 pm

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South Americanastan wrote:Unless he's given a death sentence, there's going to be group rioting because they believe the punishment isn't enough.


Minnesota doesn't have the death penalty. It was abolished in 1911.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:09 pm

Center Land wrote:If he is acquitted there will be rioting. If he is found guilty there will be rioting.


If Chauvin went to prison for the rest of his life, I doubt people would riot.

Now if he gets manslaughter? Maybe.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:10 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Center Land wrote:If he is acquitted there will be rioting. If he is found guilty there will be rioting.


If Chauvin went to prison for the rest of his life, I doubt people would riot.

Now if he gets manslaughter? Maybe.


Unless there is massive bias in the jury based on what ive seen and heard I don't see how hes not convicted.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Venue
Depossed testimony not allowed
Anominity of the jurors being breached.

Where the heck should it be instead?

despossed testimony? What is that?

That one i will give you. It seems some reporters can't follow rules and almost want him to get off. The judge should flat out refuse to to declare a mistrial. This man is beyond guilty.


Not in the city that burned for weeks in the aftermath.
A deposition is sworn testimony taken preceeding a trial. Who ever testifies at one has the right to counsel. (Though I don't know if it's free). It usually can be introduced as evidence in a trial.
And exposure of the juror.


Now none of these may stick, but its the defense attorneys job to bring it up even if it only delays the inevitable.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:31 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Where the heck should it be instead?

despossed testimony? What is that?

That one i will give you. It seems some reporters can't follow rules and almost want him to get off. The judge should flat out refuse to to declare a mistrial. This man is beyond guilty.


Not in the city that burned for weeks in the aftermath.
A deposition is sworn testimony taken preceeding a trial. Who ever testifies at one has the right to counsel. (Though I don't know if it's free). It usually can be introduced as evidence in a trial.
And exposure of the juror.


Now none of these may stick, but its the defense attorneys job to bring it up even if it only delays the inevitable.


Where do you propose it be held instead?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Not in the city that burned for weeks in the aftermath.
A deposition is sworn testimony taken preceeding a trial. Who ever testifies at one has the right to counsel. (Though I don't know if it's free). It usually can be introduced as evidence in a trial.
And exposure of the juror.


Now none of these may stick, but its the defense attorneys job to bring it up even if it only delays the inevitable.


Where do you propose it be held instead?


Some other city in Minnesota.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Not in the city that burned for weeks in the aftermath.
A deposition is sworn testimony taken preceeding a trial. Who ever testifies at one has the right to counsel. (Though I don't know if it's free). It usually can be introduced as evidence in a trial.
And exposure of the juror.


Now none of these may stick, but its the defense attorneys job to bring it up even if it only delays the inevitable.


Where do you propose it be held instead?

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