Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[San Lumen]

That’s not a good source.

How are they being intimidated? How are his rights being violated?

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, he is not getting one because of BLM intimidation, it's right in the video

That’s not a source. What direct evidence do you have there is not a fair trial?

[Alcala-Cordel]

That’s not a good source.

How are they being intimidated? How are his rights being violated?

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, he is not getting one because of BLM intimidation, it's right in the video

>Tim Pool
>good journalist
>tells the truth

...

anyways, get some real evidence.

[South Americanastan]

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, he is not getting one because of BLM intimidation, it's right in the video

That the best "proof" you have is Tim Pool is laughable.

Chauvin's getting a fair trial, that you can't accept that someone who knelt on someone else's neck for long enough to kill them is facing murder charges and have to look for excuses as to why him getting a guilty verdict is totally not fair is your problem.

He's not getting completely fair trial, but with the media coverage a completely fair trial would be impossible. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past year, you probably have heard about Derek Chauvin and have a preformed opinion on him.

[San Lumen]

That the best "proof" you have is Tim Pool is laughable.

Chauvin's getting a fair trial, that you can't accept that someone who knelt on someone else's neck for long enough to kill them is facing murder charges and have to look for excuses as to why him getting a guilty verdict is totally not fair is your problem.

He's not getting completely fair trial, but with the media coverage a completely fair trial would be impossible. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past year, you probably have heard about Derek Chauvin and have a preformed opinion on him.

How is he not getting a fair trial?

[Esalia]

That the best "proof" you have is Tim Pool is laughable.

Chauvin's getting a fair trial, that you can't accept that someone who knelt on someone else's neck for long enough to kill them is facing murder charges and have to look for excuses as to why him getting a guilty verdict is totally not fair is your problem.

He's not getting completely fair trial, but with the media coverage a completely fair trial would be impossible. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past year, you probably have heard about Derek Chauvin and have a preformed opinion on him.

True, but "it's difficult if not impossible for jurors to have a completely unbiased opinion in this case because of how well-known it is, so it won't be completely fair" is a far cry from whatever nonsense Warriors of Truth has been spouting about how this'll go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights are being violated somehow and how the jurors won't give him a fair trial because of BLM threats or how the witnesses are lying under oath because BLM threats or something (but someone with no obligation to not lie, i.e Tim Pool, is totally trustworthy).

One is a reasonable argument to make, and the other needs to come with more salt than the Pacific Ocean or some really solid sources (i.e not some guy on Youtube with a scaremongering title).

[Alcala-Cordel]

That the best "proof" you have is Tim Pool is laughable.

Chauvin's getting a fair trial, that you can't accept that someone who knelt on someone else's neck for long enough to kill them is facing murder charges and have to look for excuses as to why him getting a guilty verdict is totally not fair is your problem.

He's not getting completely fair trial, but with the media coverage a completely fair trial would be impossible. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past year, you probably have heard about Derek Chauvin and have a preformed opinion on him.

Murderers are often portrayed as bad

[USS Monitor]

He's not getting completely fair trial, but with the media coverage a completely fair trial would be impossible. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past year, you probably have heard about Derek Chauvin and have a preformed opinion on him.

True, but "it's difficult if not impossible for jurors to have a completely unbiased opinion in this case because of how well-known it is, so it won't be completely fair" is a far cry from whatever nonsense Warriors of Truth has been spouting about how this'll go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights are being violated somehow and how the jurors won't give him a fair trial because of BLM threats or how the witnesses are lying under oath because BLM threats or something (but someone with no obligation to not lie, i.e Tim Pool, is totally trustworthy).

One is a reasonable argument to make, and the other needs to come with more salt than the Pacific Ocean or some really solid sources (i.e not some guy on Youtube with a scaremongering title).

Yeah... There are some challenges to maintain fairness in such a highly publicized case, but I don't see any evidence that Chauvin's civil rights have been violated.

[Neutraligon]

Correct. True those in the north lived in inner cities, those in the south got to deal with th failure of reconstruction more directly, namely that they became all but slaves again since they had to pay astronomical rent while working the fields, and got paid in something other then real money.

In the North blacks got to deal with redlining (so did Jews by the way). Funny thing, those neighborhoods that were red-lined so that only Jews lived there still tend to be cheaper then the surrounding areas. Ever heard of the cross bronx expressway? There is a reason it was placed where it was, and that entirely has to do with it being blacks and Jews who lived in that neighborhood. Blacks in the north lived in inner city areas not only because they where poor, but also because they where not allowed to live anywhere else. And then the poverty was reinforced by government action that was entirely related to their race and the fact that their poverty meant that they couldn't do anything.

The cross bronx expressway is a topic worthy unto itself. I absolutely agree it ripped apart the neighborhoods, but they had to build something connecting the GWB to the east.

As to the initial black migration north the cities were where the well paying jobs were. Prewar factories were booming in the cities. The big auto manufacturers in Detroit, steel in Pittsburgh, all the cities in the northeast, Rochester, Syracuse, etc. had booming black middle class neighborhoods. Its as the jobs deserted the cities, and then country that the inner cities became havens for decay.

Back to the x-bronx, As to the city taking the folks from those bronx neighborhoods and putting them in shitty public housing without services..... yeah they did that too.

Fair enough about the cities. Though even if they went there for the better paying jobs, that does not stop the stuff with redlining.

[Ethel mermania]

The cross bronx expressway is a topic worthy unto itself. I absolutely agree it ripped apart the neighborhoods, but they had to build something connecting the GWB to the east.

As to the initial black migration north the cities were where the well paying jobs were. Prewar factories were booming in the cities. The big auto manufacturers in Detroit, steel in Pittsburgh, all the cities in the northeast, Rochester, Syracuse, etc. had booming black middle class neighborhoods. Its as the jobs deserted the cities, and then country that the inner cities became havens for decay.

Back to the x-bronx, As to the city taking the folks from those bronx neighborhoods and putting them in shitty public housing without services..... yeah they did that too.

Fair enough about the cities. Though even if they went there for the better paying jobs, that does not stop the stuff with redlining.

When i talk about what institutional racism is, redlining is what I go too

[Postauthoritarian America]

Fleeing Hitler???, Roosevelt refused jews from Hitler. Look up the st.louis for how well Roosevelt treated the jews.

Jewish migration from from Europe pretty much ended around the late 1920's. After the war a group was permitted to come here.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventohom ... ntury.html

Correct. True those in the north lived in inner cities, those in the south got to deal with th failure of reconstruction more directly, namely that they became all but slaves again since they had to pay astronomical rent while working the fields, and got paid in something other then real money.

In the North blacks got to deal with redlining (so did Jews by the way). Funny thing, those neighborhoods that were red-lined so that only Jews lived there still tend to be cheaper then the surrounding areas. Ever heard of the cross bronx expressway? There is a reason it was placed where it was, and that entirely has to do with it being blacks and Jews who lived in that neighborhood. Blacks in the north lived in inner city areas not only because they where poor, but also because they where not allowed to live anywhere else. And then the poverty was reinforced by government action that was entirely related to their race and the fact that their poverty meant that they couldn't do anything.

The Socratic method is precise but slow. More Blacks live in inner cities < they are on average poorer < they were never paid for largely creating the prosperity and power of the modern day United States of America, plus there have never been any reparations, plus the avenues by which nearly every other group has been able to create and pass on wealth from generation to generation have been closed to them via systematic and sustained racial oppression over the last 400 years < Reconstruction failed, QED.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

That’s not a good source.

How are they being intimidated? How are his rights being violated?

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

If you came from an alternate universe, maybe. But in this universe, he is an echo chamber that constantly spews bullshit.

[Xmara]

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

If you came from an alternate universe, maybe. But in this universe, he is an echo chamber that constantly spews bullshit.

I have never heard of Tim Pool. I’m guessing he’s another Ben Shapiro?

[Kowani]

If you came from an alternate universe, maybe. But in this universe, he is an echo chamber that constantly spews bullshit.

I have never heard of Tim Pool. I’m guessing he’s another Ben Shapiro?

No. Ben Shapiro is an unabashed conservative, he's just dumb
Tim Pool is a conservative disinformation agent who calls himself a liberal

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Judge denies defense motion to compel prosecutors as to why they are not offering Morries Hall immunity. Also, if Hall invokes 5th and refuses to testify, the defense can't bring in Hall's past interview as none of the Q&A is admissible.
Hall is, for those who don't remember, the guy suspected of giving George Floyd the drugs and/or fake money

[Ethel mermania]

I have never heard of Tim Pool. I’m guessing he’s another Ben Shapiro?

No. Ben Shapiro is an unabashed conservative, he's just dumb
Tim Pool is a conservative disinformation agent who calls himself a liberal

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Judge denies defense motion to compel prosecutors as to why they are not offering Morries Hall immunity. Also, if Hall invokes 5th and refuses to testify, the defense can't bring in Hall's past interview as none of the Q&A is admissible.
Hall is, for those who don't remember, the guy suspected of giving George Floyd the drugs and/or fake money

I am not a lawyer i only play one on TV. I am not sure that is correct, I believe if the fellow is deposed, his testimony during that deposition is admissible, whether he chooses to testify or not. ( unless there was something wrong with the deposition).

[Kowani]

No. Ben Shapiro is an unabashed conservative, he's just dumb
Tim Pool is a conservative disinformation agent who calls himself a liberal

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Judge denies defense motion to compel prosecutors as to why they are not offering Morries Hall immunity. Also, if Hall invokes 5th and refuses to testify, the defense can't bring in Hall's past interview as none of the Q&A is admissible.
Hall is, for those who don't remember, the guy suspected of giving George Floyd the drugs and/or fake money

I am not a lawyer i only play one on TV. I am not sure that is correct, I believe if the fellow is deposed, his testimony during that deposition is admissible, whether he chooses to testify or not. ( unless there was something wrong with the deposition).

Noting that I don't know whether this is standard procedure...it was the judge's ruling

[Ethel mermania]

I am not a lawyer i only play one on TV. I am not sure that is correct, I believe if the fellow is deposed, his testimony during that deposition is admissible, whether he chooses to testify or not. ( unless there was something wrong with the deposition).

Noting that I don't know whether this is standard procedure...it was the judge's ruling

We will see if the defense appeals on that basis.

[Kowani]

a bit more
State's medical witness, Dr. Jonathan Rich, a cardiologist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, says that there were many points Chauvin could have saved Floyd's life.
First by not putting him in a prone position. Second by repositioning him once Floyd became weaker. Third, to start CPR immediately when officers determined he didn't have a pulse.

in addition,Rich recalls that one of the officers was heard asking whether they should move George Floyd on his side. Chauvin said no.
Multiple police officers testified that officers are trained to roll subjects on their side ASAP once they are handcuffed in the prone position

hammering on a theme, he testifies that "after reviewing all the facts and evidence I can say with a high degree of medical certainty that George Floyd did not die from a primary cardiac event and he did not die from a drug overdose."

[San Lumen]

a bit more
State's medical witness, Dr. Jonathan Rich, a cardiologist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, says that there were many points Chauvin could have saved Floyd's life.
First by not putting him in a prone position. Second by repositioning him once Floyd became weaker. Third, to start CPR immediately when officers determined he didn't have a pulse.

in addition,Rich recalls that one of the officers was heard asking whether they should move George Floyd on his side. Chauvin said no.
Multiple police officers testified that officers are trained to roll subjects on their side ASAP once they are handcuffed in the prone position

hammering on a theme, he testifies that "after reviewing all the facts and evidence I can say with a high degree of medical certainty that George Floyd did not die from a primary cardiac event and he did not die from a drug overdose."

If this man is acquitted it will be an absolute travesty of justice.

[Zurkir]

a bit more
State's medical witness, Dr. Jonathan Rich, a cardiologist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, says that there were many points Chauvin could have saved Floyd's life.
First by not putting him in a prone position. Second by repositioning him once Floyd became weaker. Third, to start CPR immediately when officers determined he didn't have a pulse.

in addition,Rich recalls that one of the officers was heard asking whether they should move George Floyd on his side. Chauvin said no.
Multiple police officers testified that officers are trained to roll subjects on their side ASAP once they are handcuffed in the prone position

hammering on a theme, he testifies that "after reviewing all the facts and evidence I can say with a high degree of medical certainty that George Floyd did not die from a primary cardiac event and he did not die from a drug overdose."

If this man is acquitted it will be an absolute travesty of justice.

Despite all the complaints and suggestions to otherwise, I’m going to make a safe assumption as I have before that Chauvin isn’t getting off. The other three I cannot say. But with Chauvin the evidence is rather glaring and the defense doesn’t have much to stand on.

[Shofercia]

Damn, I was hoping this wouldn't happen, but here we are, introducing, idiota numero uno: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/judge-war ... 9395525925

This is in NBC, it's a pro-Dem station. Why the fuck would you want to take photos near the Jury Box? She claims ignorance, but that's fucking bullshit. During the initial introduction, the Judge asked the Jury to stay within the lines to avoid broadcast cameras. That means that said lines were fairly visible to anyone in the Courtroom. Why the fuck would you...

And the sad part is that even though this should have no bearing on the trial, since Chauvin is guilty as sin, now a Juror might claim that he or she was intimidated by that idiot, and there's a mistrial claim. Who let that idiot into the Courtroom?

[San Lumen]

Damn, I was hoping this wouldn't happen, but here we are, introducing, idiota numero uno: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/judge-war ... 9395525925

This is in NBC, it's a pro-Dem station. Why the fuck would you want to take photos near the Jury Box? She claims ignorance, but that's fucking bullshit. During the initial introduction, the Judge asked the Jury to stay within the lines to avoid broadcast cameras. That means that said lines were fairly visible to anyone in the Courtroom. Why the fuck would you...

And the sad part is that even though this should have no bearing on the trial, since Chauvin is guilty as sin, now a Juror might claim that he or she was intimidated by that idiot, and there's a mistrial claim. Who let that idiot into the Courtroom?

Why would a reporter do that? Are they trying to get him acquitted or a mistrial?

[Shofercia]

Damn, I was hoping this wouldn't happen, but here we are, introducing, idiota numero uno: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/judge-war ... 9395525925

This is in NBC, it's a pro-Dem station. Why the fuck would you want to take photos near the Jury Box? She claims ignorance, but that's fucking bullshit. During the initial introduction, the Judge asked the Jury to stay within the lines to avoid broadcast cameras. That means that said lines were fairly visible to anyone in the Courtroom. Why the fuck would you...

And the sad part is that even though this should have no bearing on the trial, since Chauvin is guilty as sin, now a Juror might claim that he or she was intimidated by that idiot, and there's a mistrial claim. Who let that idiot into the Courtroom?

Why would a reporter do that? Are they trying to get him acquitted or a mistrial?

I have no idea why she did that. He can't be acquitted because of it, but she just made his case for a mistrial a tad stronger, knowing that he needs all the help he can get. It seems that a mistrial is his only way out of a homicide conviction. Maybe she's like Tim Pool, a radical Conservative claiming to be a Liberal. And I have no issues with Liberals or Conservatives, I just don't like it when people misrepresent themselves.

[San Lumen]

Why would a reporter do that? Are they trying to get him acquitted or a mistrial?

I have no idea why she did that. He can't be acquitted because of it, but she just made his case for a mistrial a tad stronger, knowing that he needs all the help he can get. It seems that a mistrial is his only way out of a homicide conviction. Maybe she's like Tim Pool, a radical Conservative claiming to be a Liberal. And I have no issues with Liberals or Conservatives, I just don't like it when people misrepresent themselves.

Its almost like they want a mistrial. I don't get why she'd be that stupid.

[Shofercia]

I have no idea why she did that. He can't be acquitted because of it, but she just made his case for a mistrial a tad stronger, knowing that he needs all the help he can get. It seems that a mistrial is his only way out of a homicide conviction. Maybe she's like Tim Pool, a radical Conservative claiming to be a Liberal. And I have no issues with Liberals or Conservatives, I just don't like it when people misrepresent themselves.

Its almost like they want a mistrial. I don't get why they'd be that stupid.

Neither do I, especially since her name and face were clearly shown. If there's going to be a mistrial, there's going to be retribution against her. It's the epitome of stupidity.

[San Lumen]

Its almost like they want a mistrial. I don't get why they'd be that stupid.

Neither do I, especially since her name and face were clearly shown. If there's going to be a mistrial, there's going to be retribution against her. It's the epitome of stupidity.

It will be her fault if this man doesn't go to prison.