Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Neutraligon]

Yes nd no, class and race are intertwined in US politics due to the failure of reconstruction in part.

I don't really understand what reconstruction has to do with it. I personally, think that the race problems are due to the fact that a large amount of black people in the inner cities. People who live in inner cities, no matter their race, tend to turn out much worse than people who live in the suburbs or in more affluent parts of cities. That's just my take though.

Now here comes the question, why do blacks tend to live in inner cities?

[South Americanastan]

I don't really understand what reconstruction has to do with it. I personally, think that the race problems are due to the fact that a large amount of black people in the inner cities. People who live in inner cities, no matter their race, tend to turn out much worse than people who live in the suburbs or in more affluent parts of cities. That's just my take though.

Now here comes the question, why do blacks tend to live in inner cities?

Because they are generally poorer. And I see where this is going, and would like to notify you beforehand that before blacks, Jews used to live in inner cities in the 40s and before.

[Maroza]

Okay, then the jurors can be replaced. This is literally what happened in Al Capone's trial.


False equivalence. White people are not being systematically targeted by racism and racial prejudice like black people were during Jim Crow.

This is a show trial, and is bound to go to the supreme court

That is a false argument, the issue here is the threat of violence not racism. jurors and witnesses are being threatened by BLM activists, much as they were by the KKK during Jim Crow

The supreme court does not take cases just because it has a large amount of public attention. At best this would go to the appellate court.

[Katganistan]

BBC: George Floyd died from lack of oxygen, not fentanyl, says expert

Maybe now we can put the "fentanyl killed George Floyd" argument to bed now.

Or maybe I'm just unreasonably optimistic

The Chauvin Fanclub will never give that one up.

This is what I think will become of Derek Chauvin

A. He is found guilty of at least one of the charges, America and the BLM movement rejoices. Derek ends up in Prison
B. He is not found guilty, BLM movements and African American community is outraged, however, Derek stays protected and lives the rest of his life
C. (the least likely) not only is Derek found not guilty, but with ab target on him by outraged BLM extremists, he is killed.

hopefully, however option C should not happen. If the justice system finds him not guiltly do not take matters into your own hands.

Where, other than from your imagination, does option C come from?

[Tsaivao]

This is what I think will become of Derek Chauvin

A. He is found guilty of at least one of the charges, America and the BLM movement rejoices. Derek ends up in Prison
B. He is not found guilty, BLM movements and African American community is outraged, however, Derek stays protected and lives the rest of his life
C. (the least likely) not only is Derek found not guilty, but with ab target on him by outraged BLM extremists, he is killed.

hopefully, however option C should not happen. If the justice system finds him not guiltly do not take matters into your own hands.

Where, other than from your imagination, does option C come from?

something something dangerous black people something something

It's funny how my dad was telling me the other day that "the prosecution's case is falling apart." Some people really wanna keep to their fantasies, but time will tell what the jury says

[Katganistan]

On May 25, 2020, former Officer Derek Michael Chauvin killed George Floyd after suffocating him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Floyd’s killing started global protests in support of the Black Lives Matter Movement. Chauvin is now set to be on trial. This case is like the Rodney King case and the Trial of the Chicago 7 of this century. Trial has not yet begun, but obstacles already reared their ugly heads: it was difficult to select a jury when the case has been so publicized already for so long. Nevertheless, the legal process will go on in the murder trial.

Why was George Floyd killed?
Floyd went to a convenience store to buy cigarettes, and used a $20 bill. The Arab-American store owner suspected it was fake, so his black clerk called the police. The police came and forced Floyd to the ground despite his repeated pleas he was claustrophobic, scared and uncomfortable. Derek Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, as Floyd pleaded he couldn’t breathe. One of the last things Floyd said was “Mama. Tell my kids I love them. I’m dead.”
The 46 year old died that day as a result of Chauvin’s actions.

Floyd died from an overdose, right?
Well, no. The autopsy didn’t conclude Floyd died from drug overdose. It concluded he had fentanyl in his system, but so does everyone else, actually. One autopsy concluded he had high fentanyl levels but that ultimately he died from heart complications brought on by Chauvin suffocating him. Another concluded he died from suffocation. Neither conclude drugs were the cause of his death.

So, what happened?
This incident gave new life to the Civil Rights Movement as people around the world rallied in support of BLM. Riots did occur, though a majority of the damage occurred from rioters and looters who swept in AFTER the actual protesters. It forced companies to begin looking at racist imagery from their products or services, though many times it was things that frankly made little sense to remove. Asian Americans began looking at their own communities’ racism against black people: the store that called the cops was Arab-American. One of the officers with Chauvin was Hmong American (prominent Asian Americans such as Hasan Minhaj played a significant role in this).

Now, we wait and watch the trial.
The judge, the jury, Chauvin and Floyd’s family all know...
”The whole world is watching!”

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

Derek Chauvin should not be on the job. He should be in prison. Unless you believe his job is suffocating prone handcuffed people to death over a period of nearly ten minutes.

Disagree with the law all you want, but there is evidence that Chauvin did nothing ilegal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xstsGo5f31s

You can only be judged by the law, not by feelings.

He killed George Floyd. He committed third degree murder.

Don't engage with people spouting nonsense. It does nothing except annoy yourself.

Okay, then the jurors can be replaced. This is literally what happened in Al Capone's trial.


False equivalence. White people are not being systematically targeted by racism and racial prejudice like black people were during Jim Crow.

This is a show trial, and is bound to go to the supreme court

That is a false argument, the issue here is the threat of violence not racism. jurors and witnesses are being threatened by BLM activists, much as they were by the KKK during Jim Crow

The supreme court?
Nah, that's definitely from fantasyland. Only not the nice one with churros and Mickey ears.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Utter rubbish. Chauvin murdered him and if he gets off it will show trials of cops are largely for show.

Disagree with the law all you want, but there is evidence that Chauvin did nothing ilegal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xstsGo5f31s

You can only be judged by the law, not by feelings.

We all got eyes. We can all see in the photo and video where his knee is.

[Neutraligon]

Now here comes the question, why do blacks tend to live in inner cities?

Because they are generally poorer. And I see where this is going, and would like to notify you beforehand that before blacks, Jews used to live in inner cities in the 40s and before.

An why did both Jews and blacks use to live in the inner cities, I assure you it is not only because they where poorer. Also, why where they poorer?

[Esthe]

Because they are generally poorer. And I see where this is going, and would like to notify you beforehand that before blacks, Jews used to live in inner cities in the 40s and before.

An why did both Jews and blacks use to live in the inner cities, I assure you it is not only because they where poorer. Also, why where they poorer?

Probably discrimination from whites.

[Silvedania]

An why did both Jews and blacks use to live in the inner cities, I assure you it is not only because they where poorer. Also, why where they poorer?

Probably discrimination from whites.

White Christians, but you basically got it.

[Ethel mermania]

Because they are generally poorer. And I see where this is going, and would like to notify you beforehand that before blacks, Jews used to live in inner cities in the 40s and before.

An why did both Jews and blacks use to live in the inner cities, I assure you it is not only because they where poorer. Also, why where they poorer?

Why did 1st generation jews, Irish, Italians and Germans, live in the inner cities would be a better question, and being poorer was a part of it

Though at that time suburbs as a modern concept didn't really exist yet.

For black migration north the cities were where the demand for labor existed.
In the south many poor blacks are still rural

[South Americanastan]

Because they are generally poorer. And I see where this is going, and would like to notify you beforehand that before blacks, Jews used to live in inner cities in the 40s and before.

An why did both Jews and blacks use to live in the inner cities, I assure you it is not only because they where poorer. Also, why where they poorer?

Jews, because almost all of them were European immigrants who were either fleeing from Hitler or looking for opportunity. Blacks, because they had to take any job they could get to get out of the Jim Crow era south.

[Ethel mermania]

An why did both Jews and blacks use to live in the inner cities, I assure you it is not only because they where poorer. Also, why where they poorer?

Jews, because almost all of them were European immigrants who were either fleeing from Hitler or looking for opportunity. Blacks, because they had to take any job they could get to get out of the Jim Crow era south.

Fleeing Hitler???, Roosevelt refused jews from Hitler. Look up the st.louis for how well Roosevelt treated the jews.

Jewish migration from from Europe pretty much ended around the late 1920's. After the war a group was permitted to come here.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventohom ... ntury.html

[Warriors of Truth]

This is a show trial, and is bound to go to the supreme court

That is a false argument, the issue here is the threat of violence not racism. jurors and witnesses are being threatened by BLM activists, much as they were by the KKK during Jim Crow

what makes it a show trial? Why would it go the the Supreme Court?

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

[San Lumen]

what makes it a show trial? Why would it go the the Supreme Court?

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

That’s not a good source.

How are they being intimidated? How are his rights being violated?

[Ethel mermania]

what makes it a show trial? Why would it go the the Supreme Court?

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

This is a state trial, it will have to make it through the state court system first. Chauvin could go federal on a venue claim... maybe, not sure what else.

And I will insert the "i am not a lawyer" disclaimer here.

[Warriors of Truth]

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

That’s not a good source.

How are they being intimidated? How are his rights being violated?

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, he is not getting one because of BLM intimidation, it's right in the video

[South Americanastan]

That’s not a good source.

How are they being intimidated? How are his rights being violated?

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, he is not getting one because of BLM intimidation, it's right in the video

The problem is, it'd be nearly impossible to give him a "fair trial". Unless you've been living under a rock for the past year or so, you've heard about George Floyd and Derek Chauvin and probably have a preformed opinion on it, no matter where you live. Not to mention all the organizations that are allegedly trying to intimidate jurors are nationwide organizations, so venue makes little to no difference.

[Heloin]

what makes it a show trial? Why would it go the the Supreme Court?

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

I didn't know it was within someone's civil rights to commit murder. Learn something new every day.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

what makes it a show trial? Why would it go the the Supreme Court?

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

>Tim Pool sause

Ah yes the same man who thought Trump would win in a landslide and thought that Gen Z would be the most conservative generation ever.


The fact that you use Tim Pool as a source without question is proof that Kojima was right.

[USS Monitor]

what makes it a show trial? Why would it go the the Supreme Court?

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

You know how some people have been making a fuss over Floyd's drug use? In the interest of fairness, to make sure we're treating everyone equally and not holding Floyd to any sort of racist double standards, would it be all right to ask if you are on drugs?

[Ethel mermania]

There is threat of violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXL6gJbDTk

Jurors are being intimidated

it will go to the supreme court because Chauvin's civil rights need to be respected

You know how some people have been making a fuss over Floyd's drug use? In the interest of fairness, to make sure we're treating everyone equally and not holding Floyd to any sort of racist double standards, would it be all right to ask if you are on drugs?

Now, now, attack the arguement not the poster.

Edit: although I do see you are not, more nuanced than I first read and laughed at.

[Neutraligon]

Jews, because almost all of them were European immigrants who were either fleeing from Hitler or looking for opportunity. Blacks, because they had to take any job they could get to get out of the Jim Crow era south.

Fleeing Hitler???, Roosevelt refused jews from Hitler. Look up the st.louis for how well Roosevelt treated the jews.

Jewish migration from from Europe pretty much ended around the late 1920's. After the war a group was permitted to come here.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventohom ... ntury.html

Correct. True those in the north lived in inner cities, those in the south got to deal with th failure of reconstruction more directly, namely that they became all but slaves again since they had to pay astronomical rent while working the fields, and got paid in something other then real money.

In the North blacks got to deal with redlining (so did Jews by the way). Funny thing, those neighborhoods that were red-lined so that only Jews lived there still tend to be cheaper then the surrounding areas. Ever heard of the cross bronx expressway? There is a reason it was placed where it was, and that entirely has to do with it being blacks and Jews who lived in that neighborhood. Blacks in the north lived in inner city areas not only because they where poor, but also because they where not allowed to live anywhere else. And then the poverty was reinforced by government action that was entirely related to their race and the fact that their poverty meant that they couldn't do anything.

[Ethel mermania]

Fleeing Hitler???, Roosevelt refused jews from Hitler. Look up the st.louis for how well Roosevelt treated the jews.

Jewish migration from from Europe pretty much ended around the late 1920's. After the war a group was permitted to come here.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventohom ... ntury.html

Correct. True those in the north lived in inner cities, those in the south got to deal with th failure of reconstruction more directly, namely that they became all but slaves again since they had to pay astronomical rent while working the fields, and got paid in something other then real money.

In the North blacks got to deal with redlining (so did Jews by the way). Funny thing, those neighborhoods that were red-lined so that only Jews lived there still tend to be cheaper then the surrounding areas. Ever heard of the cross bronx expressway? There is a reason it was placed where it was, and that entirely has to do with it being blacks and Jews who lived in that neighborhood. Blacks in the north lived in inner city areas not only because they where poor, but also because they where not allowed to live anywhere else. And then the poverty was reinforced by government action that was entirely related to their race and the fact that their poverty meant that they couldn't do anything.

The cross bronx expressway is a topic worthy unto itself. I absolutely agree it ripped apart the neighborhoods, but they had to build something connecting the GWB to the east.

As to the initial black migration north the cities were where the well paying jobs were. Prewar factories were booming in the cities. The big auto manufacturers in Detroit, steel in Pittsburgh, all the cities in the northeast, Rochester, Syracuse, etc. had booming black middle class neighborhoods. Its as the jobs deserted the cities, and then country that the inner cities became havens for decay.

Back to the x-bronx, As to the city taking the folks from those bronx neighborhoods and putting them in shitty public housing without services..... yeah they did that too.

[Esalia]

That’s not a good source.

How are they being intimidated? How are his rights being violated?

He is a good journalist who tells the truth

Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, he is not getting one because of BLM intimidation, it's right in the video

That the best "proof" you have is Tim Pool is laughable.

Chauvin's getting a fair trial, that you can't accept that someone who knelt on someone else's neck for long enough to kill them is facing murder charges and have to look for excuses as to why him getting a guilty verdict is totally not fair is your problem.