Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Drew Durrnil]

The trial of the century

Chauvin should be found guilty of at least third-degree murder.

Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker (guy who performed the police autopsy) testifies that his autopsy shows George Floyd had no previous damage to his heart muscle

He also claims that he didn't notice any "acute injury to the brain in the sense of physical trauma" nor any evidence of it being "deprived of blood or oxygen."

I swear if the jury still somehow finds Chauvin not guilty...

If the trial stopped right now, a manslaughter charge would be guaranteed.

[Kowani]

Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker (guy who performed the police autopsy) testifies that his autopsy shows George Floyd had no previous damage to his heart muscle

He also claims that he didn't notice any "acute injury to the brain in the sense of physical trauma" nor any evidence of it being "deprived of blood or oxygen."

oh, things heated up while I was away

(long thread, most important bits start here)

Baker says he has certified fentanyl overdose with levels as high as that in Floyd, and at levels higher and lower.
Baker says he told county attorney's office that in "other circumstances" the level of fentanyl in Floyd would have been fatal, but the concentration of drugs is very "context dependent"
Nelson asks if in one meeting he could answer "but for the involvement of law officers whether Mr. Floyd would have died under these circumstances." Baker says he doesn't think of things in the "but for paradigm"
Nelson asks if placement of knee would cut off Floyd's airway. "In my opinion it would not," Baker says.
Blackwell on redirect asks Baker what his opinion on cause of death. Baker says it's what he said in June, and the other issues were not "direct causes," only "contributing causes" and that manner of death is homicide.

[San Lumen]

The trial of the century

Chauvin should be found guilty of at least third-degree murder.

Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker (guy who performed the police autopsy) testifies that his autopsy shows George Floyd had no previous damage to his heart muscle

He also claims that he didn't notice any "acute injury to the brain in the sense of physical trauma" nor any evidence of it being "deprived of blood or oxygen."

I swear if the jury still somehow finds Chauvin not guilty...

It would prove the system is truly rigged to acquit cops and this trial is largely for show like almost all the others.

[Tornado Queendom]

On May 25, 2020, former Officer Derek Michael Chauvin killed George Floyd after suffocating him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Floyd’s killing started global protests in support of the Black Lives Matter Movement. Chauvin is now set to be on trial. This case is like the Rodney King case and the Trial of the Chicago 7 of this century. Trial has not yet begun, but obstacles already reared their ugly heads: it was difficult to select a jury when the case has been so publicized already for so long. Nevertheless, the legal process will go on in the murder trial.

Why was George Floyd killed?
Floyd went to a convenience store to buy cigarettes, and used a $20 bill. The Arab-American store owner suspected it was fake, so his black clerk called the police. The police came and forced Floyd to the ground despite his repeated pleas he was claustrophobic, scared and uncomfortable. Derek Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, as Floyd pleaded he couldn’t breathe. One of the last things Floyd said was “Mama. Tell my kids I love them. I’m dead.”
The 46 year old died that day as a result of Chauvin’s actions.

Floyd died from an overdose, right?
Well, no. The autopsy didn’t conclude Floyd died from drug overdose. It concluded he had fentanyl in his system, but so does everyone else, actually. One autopsy concluded he had high fentanyl levels but that ultimately he died from heart complications brought on by Chauvin suffocating him. Another concluded he died from suffocation. Neither conclude drugs were the cause of his death.

So, what happened?
This incident gave new life to the Civil Rights Movement as people around the world rallied in support of BLM. Riots did occur, though a majority of the damage occurred from rioters and looters who swept in AFTER the actual protesters. It forced companies to begin looking at racist imagery from their products or services, though many times it was things that frankly made little sense to remove. Asian Americans began looking at their own communities’ racism against black people: the store that called the cops was Arab-American. One of the officers with Chauvin was Hmong American (prominent Asian Americans such as Hasan Minhaj played a significant role in this).

Now, we wait and watch the trial.
The judge, the jury, Chauvin and Floyd’s family all know...
”The whole world is watching!”

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

[Kowani]

On May 25, 2020, former Officer Derek Michael Chauvin killed George Floyd after suffocating him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Floyd’s killing started global protests in support of the Black Lives Matter Movement. Chauvin is now set to be on trial. This case is like the Rodney King case and the Trial of the Chicago 7 of this century. Trial has not yet begun, but obstacles already reared their ugly heads: it was difficult to select a jury when the case has been so publicized already for so long. Nevertheless, the legal process will go on in the murder trial.

Why was George Floyd killed?
Floyd went to a convenience store to buy cigarettes, and used a $20 bill. The Arab-American store owner suspected it was fake, so his black clerk called the police. The police came and forced Floyd to the ground despite his repeated pleas he was claustrophobic, scared and uncomfortable. Derek Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, as Floyd pleaded he couldn’t breathe. One of the last things Floyd said was “Mama. Tell my kids I love them. I’m dead.”
The 46 year old died that day as a result of Chauvin’s actions.

Floyd died from an overdose, right?
Well, no. The autopsy didn’t conclude Floyd died from drug overdose. It concluded he had fentanyl in his system, but so does everyone else, actually. One autopsy concluded he had high fentanyl levels but that ultimately he died from heart complications brought on by Chauvin suffocating him. Another concluded he died from suffocation. Neither conclude drugs were the cause of his death.

So, what happened?
This incident gave new life to the Civil Rights Movement as people around the world rallied in support of BLM. Riots did occur, though a majority of the damage occurred from rioters and looters who swept in AFTER the actual protesters. It forced companies to begin looking at racist imagery from their products or services, though many times it was things that frankly made little sense to remove. Asian Americans began looking at their own communities’ racism against black people: the store that called the cops was Arab-American. One of the officers with Chauvin was Hmong American (prominent Asian Americans such as Hasan Minhaj played a significant role in this).

Now, we wait and watch the trial.
The judge, the jury, Chauvin and Floyd’s family all know...
”The whole world is watching!”

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

you should, chauvin did literally everything he was trained not to do, was in violation of department policy from practically the first few seconds of the encounter, and has literally nothing going for him

why do people die on this hill

[Esalia]

On May 25, 2020, former Officer Derek Michael Chauvin killed George Floyd after suffocating him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Floyd’s killing started global protests in support of the Black Lives Matter Movement. Chauvin is now set to be on trial. This case is like the Rodney King case and the Trial of the Chicago 7 of this century. Trial has not yet begun, but obstacles already reared their ugly heads: it was difficult to select a jury when the case has been so publicized already for so long. Nevertheless, the legal process will go on in the murder trial.

Why was George Floyd killed?
Floyd went to a convenience store to buy cigarettes, and used a $20 bill. The Arab-American store owner suspected it was fake, so his black clerk called the police. The police came and forced Floyd to the ground despite his repeated pleas he was claustrophobic, scared and uncomfortable. Derek Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, as Floyd pleaded he couldn’t breathe. One of the last things Floyd said was “Mama. Tell my kids I love them. I’m dead.”
The 46 year old died that day as a result of Chauvin’s actions.

Floyd died from an overdose, right?
Well, no. The autopsy didn’t conclude Floyd died from drug overdose. It concluded he had fentanyl in his system, but so does everyone else, actually. One autopsy concluded he had high fentanyl levels but that ultimately he died from heart complications brought on by Chauvin suffocating him. Another concluded he died from suffocation. Neither conclude drugs were the cause of his death.

So, what happened?
This incident gave new life to the Civil Rights Movement as people around the world rallied in support of BLM. Riots did occur, though a majority of the damage occurred from rioters and looters who swept in AFTER the actual protesters. It forced companies to begin looking at racist imagery from their products or services, though many times it was things that frankly made little sense to remove. Asian Americans began looking at their own communities’ racism against black people: the store that called the cops was Arab-American. One of the officers with Chauvin was Hmong American (prominent Asian Americans such as Hasan Minhaj played a significant role in this).

Now, we wait and watch the trial.
The judge, the jury, Chauvin and Floyd’s family all know...
”The whole world is watching!”

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

Except he literally went against his training according to the witnesses.

If Chauvin had followed his "sloppy training", the encounter would've been radically different to the point where Floyd very well could've survived and we wouldn't have a 32 page thread talking about his trial.

"Sloppy training" is also an incredibly weak reason to let people off for killing someone.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I don't know if Chauvin hates black people, had a personal vendetta against Floyd, or just got off on a power trip, but this is in my view a second degree murder case (just like the actual charges say), and even if malice is not proven, it's still manslaughter. Chauvin's mens rea was at least one of disregard for Floyd's life.

[Neanderthaland]

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

you should, chauvin did literally everything he was trained not to do, was in violation of department policy from practically the first few seconds of the encounter, and has literally nothing going for him

why do people die on this hill

The problem is that they don't die on it. They never do. You would think that having backed themselves into such a stupid, absurd, obnoxious, and evil little corner, that they would be embarrassed by how obviously wrong they are.

But it never happens. They just ignore how wrong they are, and move on to the next talking point as if they weren't just spotted atop Mt. Stupid.

[Atheris]

I don't know if Chauvin hates black people, had a personal vendetta against Floyd, or just got off on a power trip, but this is in my view a second degree murder case (just like the actual charges say), and even if malice is not proven, it's still manslaughter. Chauvin's mens rea was at least one of disregard for Floyd's life.

I think this is much more third than second degree murder. Third degree murder is a charge in Minnesota, the state Floyd was killed in, and it means murder that was the result of a deliberate injury not meant to cause serious harm, opposed to second degree murder (death resulting from an intentional wound meant to seriously harm), first degree murder (premeditated murder from an intentional wound planning to kill), and manslaughter (accidental killing). I could see a case for second degree murder, but I feel like third is more realistic than second.

[Neanderthaland]

I don't know if Chauvin hates black people, had a personal vendetta against Floyd, or just got off on a power trip, but this is in my view a second degree murder case (just like the actual charges say), and even if malice is not proven, it's still manslaughter. Chauvin's mens rea was at least one of disregard for Floyd's life.

I think this is much more third than second degree murder. Third degree murder is a charge in Minnesota, the state Floyd was killed in, and it means murder that was the result of a deliberate injury not meant to cause serious harm, opposed to second degree murder (death resulting from an intentional wound meant to seriously harm), first degree murder (premeditated murder from an intentional wound planning to kill), and manslaughter (accidental killing). I could see a case for second degree murder, but I feel like third is more realistic than second.

The point is: clearly criminally negligent in some capacity. It will be up to the jury to determine exactly how badly.

[Esalia]

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

you should, chauvin did literally everything he was trained not to do, was in violation of department policy from practically the first few seconds of the encounter, and has literally nothing going for him

why do people die on this hill

People have repeatedly died on the "Floyd died of an overdose" hill (even in this thread) even though that was blatantly wrong from the second this case was a thing, so it's not surprising that Chauvin defenders keep finding dumb hills to die on.

[Atheris]

I think this is much more third than second degree murder. Third degree murder is a charge in Minnesota, the state Floyd was killed in, and it means murder that was the result of a deliberate injury not meant to cause serious harm, opposed to second degree murder (death resulting from an intentional wound meant to seriously harm), first degree murder (premeditated murder from an intentional wound planning to kill), and manslaughter (accidental killing). I could see a case for second degree murder, but I feel like third is more realistic than second.

The point is: clearly criminally negligent in some capacity. It will be up to the jury to determine exactly how badly.

Fair.

[Kowani]

you should, chauvin did literally everything he was trained not to do, was in violation of department policy from practically the first few seconds of the encounter, and has literally nothing going for him

why do people die on this hill

The problem is that they don't die on it. They never do. You would think that having backed themselves into such a stupid, absurd, obnoxious, and evil little corner, that they would be embarrassed by how obviously wrong they are.

But it never happens. They just ignore how wrong they are, and move on to the next talking point as if weren't just spotted atop Mt. Stupid.

this is unfortunately true, yes

you should, chauvin did literally everything he was trained not to do, was in violation of department policy from practically the first few seconds of the encounter, and has literally nothing going for him

why do people die on this hill

People have repeatedly died on the "Floyd died of an overdose" hill (even in this thread) even though that was blatantly wrong from the second this case was a thing, so it's not surprising that Chauvin defenders keep finding dumb hills to die on.

that was mostly a rhetorical question, but the "overdose did it!" meme has been so fucking prevalent in the right-wing disinfo sphere that i'm not surprised by it's prevalence
the "training" thing is much more recent and infinitely more dumb

[Zurkir]

I don't know if Chauvin hates black people, had a personal vendetta against Floyd, or just got off on a power trip, but this is in my view a second degree murder case (just like the actual charges say), and even if malice is not proven, it's still manslaughter. Chauvin's mens rea was at least one of disregard for Floyd's life.

Power trip.

From what I really analyzed in the body came footage and from glancing back through his history, I’m getting the “respect my authoritah” vibe. I don’t think he decided then and there that he was going to outright kill Floyd I think he was just an arrogant chest beating cop with a blustering ignorant side.

[The Lone Alliance]

I still go by the belief that George Floyd not a good person and all in all if he had died of a drug overdoes I wouldn't have cared much or been surprised outside of "What a senseless waste of a life", however he didn't die of a drug overdose, he died because a cop decided to be a jackass, and that is wrong.

Even if you're an absolutely horrible example of a human being, unless you're actively trying to hurt others or are actively trying to end others lives by being a threat to others, such actions are unacceptable.

After you pass a police academy I would like you to answer this question again.

Even If I did I would do the same thing.

And you'd be arrested for assault and battery on Derek Chauvin. Charges might get dropped but the damage will be done.

You'd lose your job as police officer and likely be blacklisted by every Police union in the country.

You will literally be unemployable as a police officer for the rest of your life and possibly unemployable in any other career because even people who might support you might condemn you for not acting sooner.

You would be hated by both sides and your life will be ruined forever.

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On May 25, 2020, former Officer Derek Michael Chauvin killed George Floyd after suffocating him with his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Floyd’s killing started global protests in support of the Black Lives Matter Movement. Chauvin is now set to be on trial. This case is like the Rodney King case and the Trial of the Chicago 7 of this century. Trial has not yet begun, but obstacles already reared their ugly heads: it was difficult to select a jury when the case has been so publicized already for so long. Nevertheless, the legal process will go on in the murder trial.

Why was George Floyd killed?
Floyd went to a convenience store to buy cigarettes, and used a $20 bill. The Arab-American store owner suspected it was fake, so his black clerk called the police. The police came and forced Floyd to the ground despite his repeated pleas he was claustrophobic, scared and uncomfortable. Derek Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, as Floyd pleaded he couldn’t breathe. One of the last things Floyd said was “Mama. Tell my kids I love them. I’m dead.”
The 46 year old died that day as a result of Chauvin’s actions.

Floyd died from an overdose, right?
Well, no. The autopsy didn’t conclude Floyd died from drug overdose. It concluded he had fentanyl in his system, but so does everyone else, actually. One autopsy concluded he had high fentanyl levels but that ultimately he died from heart complications brought on by Chauvin suffocating him. Another concluded he died from suffocation. Neither conclude drugs were the cause of his death.

So, what happened?
This incident gave new life to the Civil Rights Movement as people around the world rallied in support of BLM. Riots did occur, though a majority of the damage occurred from rioters and looters who swept in AFTER the actual protesters. It forced companies to begin looking at racist imagery from their products or services, though many times it was things that frankly made little sense to remove. Asian Americans began looking at their own communities’ racism against black people: the store that called the cops was Arab-American. One of the officers with Chauvin was Hmong American (prominent Asian Americans such as Hasan Minhaj played a significant role in this).

Now, we wait and watch the trial.
The judge, the jury, Chauvin and Floyd’s family all know...
”The whole world is watching!”

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

No training can make a violent gang anything but a violent gang.

[The 189]

I don't blame Derek Chauvin, I blame Sloppy Training. Get Derek Chauvin back to Training so that he can actually do his job!

Let's not.

Not every person is a good fit for every job.

[The 189]

I don't know if Chauvin hates black people, had a personal vendetta against Floyd, or just got off on a power trip, but this is in my view a second degree murder case (just like the actual charges say), and even if malice is not proven, it's still manslaughter. Chauvin's mens rea was at least one of disregard for Floyd's life.

Power trip.

From what I really analyzed in the body came footage and from glancing back through his history, I’m getting the “respect my authoritah” vibe. I don’t think he decided then and there that he was going to outright kill Floyd I think he was just an arrogant chest beating cop with a blustering ignorant side.

Yeah, I think that was the biggest part of his motivation, with maybe a touch of underlying racism and/or unhealthy ideas about what it means to be a man.

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Power trip.

From what I really analyzed in the body came footage and from glancing back through his history, I’m getting the “respect my authoritah” vibe. I don’t think he decided then and there that he was going to outright kill Floyd I think he was just an arrogant chest beating cop with a blustering ignorant side.

Yeah, I think that was the biggest part of his motivation, with maybe a touch of underlying racism and/or unhealthy ideas about what it means to be a man.

It's really telling that even with criticizing cops that people use the most toned down and sympathetic language.

I never heard anyone describe bin Laden as having a touch of underlying Islamism and some unhealthy ideas of what it means to be a freedom fighter.

[Ethel mermania]

I don't know if Chauvin hates black people, had a personal vendetta against Floyd, or just got off on a power trip, but this is in my view a second degree murder case (just like the actual charges say), and even if malice is not proven, it's still manslaughter. Chauvin's mens rea was at least one of disregard for Floyd's life.

I think this is much more third than second degree murder. Third degree murder is a charge in Minnesota, the state Floyd was killed in, and it means murder that was the result of a deliberate injury not meant to cause serious harm, opposed to second degree murder (death resulting from an intentional wound meant to seriously harm), first degree murder (premeditated murder from an intentional wound planning to kill), and manslaughter (accidental killing). I could see a case for second degree murder, but I feel like third is more realistic than second.

The state seems to be working pretty hard for the murder 2 conviction. They are building a case that says Chauvin knew what to do to keep Floyd alive and in control and deliberately did not do it.

When the event happened I thought it was exactly what the murder 3 charge was for. Only reading in the paper and hearing snippets of the trial and knowing the defense had not had their turn. I would not bet against a murder 2 conviction

[The Huskar Social Union]

The trial of the century

Chauvin should be found guilty of at least third-degree murder.

Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker (guy who performed the police autopsy) testifies that his autopsy shows George Floyd had no previous damage to his heart muscle

He also claims that he didn't notice any "acute injury to the brain in the sense of physical trauma" nor any evidence of it being "deprived of blood or oxygen."

I swear if the jury still somehow finds Chauvin not guilty...

If he gets found not guilty you can say good bye to stability in America for a good while.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, I think that was the biggest part of his motivation, with maybe a touch of underlying racism and/or unhealthy ideas about what it means to be a man.

It's really telling that even with criticizing cops that people use the most toned down and sympathetic language.

I never heard anyone describe bin Laden as having a touch of underlying Islamism and some unhealthy ideas of what it means to be a freedom fighter.

Maybe if the Taliban had had better training they wouldn't have killed so many people.

[Juristonia]

It's really telling that even with criticizing cops that people use the most toned down and sympathetic language.

I never heard anyone describe bin Laden as having a touch of underlying Islamism and some unhealthy ideas of what it means to be a freedom fighter.

Maybe if the Taliban had had better training they wouldn't have killed so many people.

Some people in the twin towers were on drugs!

[German Incelistan]

Free Derek Chauvin!

[San Lumen]

Free Derek Chauvin!

You think what he did was perfectly acceptable?