Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Ethel mermania]

To quote Alma Mater “it is unrealistic to expect that two rookies will stop their teacher from doing something”. It’s not just a “brotherhood” thing. Police have a chain of command mirroring the military (sergeant, lieutenant, captain, etc) and they are taught to respect the authority of those who rank over them as with such systems. Sometimes it is the painfully classic buddy system and other times it’s about fear of disrespecting/angering a tenured superior. Those are two big flaws with other officer intervention, unfortunately.

No it isn’t. If I had been in their shoes I’d have called out my teacher and pulled him off.

After you pass a police academy I would like you to answer this question again.

[Zurkir]

To quote Alma Mater “it is unrealistic to expect that two rookies will stop their teacher from doing something”. It’s not just a “brotherhood” thing. Police have a chain of command mirroring the military (sergeant, lieutenant, captain, etc) and they are taught to respect the authority of those who rank over them as with such systems. Sometimes it is the painfully classic buddy system and other times it’s about fear of disrespecting/angering a tenured superior. Those are two big flaws with other officer intervention, unfortunately.

No it isn’t. If I had been in their shoes I’d have called out my teacher and pulled him off.

Not to sound peevish but it’s easy for you to say that here versus actually having been an officer and been in that situation.

Besides, even outside of the moral compass I doubt a responsible cop would have wanted to start struggling/tussling with Chauvin and risk the suspect breaking free from the other two officers because of him grappling with his superior. (Remember Floyd was still conscious and struggling to a degree on the pavement before he finally went unresponsive.)

[San Lumen]

No it isn’t. If I had been in their shoes I’d have called out my teacher and pulled him off.

After you pass a police academy I would like you to answer this question again.

Even If I did I would do the same thing.

[Ifreann]

Were they not cops in training, with Chauvin their teacher ?

Two of them were rookies.

And I’m unsure what your point is. But I’m sure there were better ways to have deescalated that situation other than someone opening up on Chauvin with a firearm, referring back to the previous post I quoted.

Removing Chauvin from Floyd's neck with non-lethal force would also have worked.

[Ethel mermania]

After you pass a police academy I would like you to answer this question again.

Even If I did I would do the same thing.

That would remain to be seen.

[San Lumen]

No it isn’t. If I had been in their shoes I’d have called out my teacher and pulled him off.

Not to sound peevish but it’s easy for you to say that here versus actually having been an officer and been in that situation.

Besides, even outside of the moral compass I doubt a responsible cop would have wanted to start struggling/tussling with Chauvin and risk the suspect breaking free from the other two officers because of him grappling with his superior. (Remember Floyd was still conscious and struggling to a degree on the pavement before he finally went unresponsive.)

It is easy too say. Id have forcibly removed my teacher and called him out for his despicable action and if that made him and others in the department mad at me tough. I would not have stood by a watched a man be murdered.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Not to sound peevish but it’s easy for you to say that here versus actually having been an officer and been in that situation.

Besides, even outside of the moral compass I doubt a responsible cop would have wanted to start struggling/tussling with Chauvin and risk the suspect breaking free from the other two officers because of him grappling with his superior. (Remember Floyd was still conscious and struggling to a degree on the pavement before he finally went unresponsive.)

It is easy too say. Id have forcibly removed my teacher and called him out for his despicable action and if that made him and others in the department mad at me tough. I would not have stood by a watched a man be murdered.

This internet tough guy shtick is always unbecoming whenever and wherever it rears its head.

[San Lumen]

It is easy too say. Id have forcibly removed my teacher and called him out for his despicable action and if that made him and others in the department mad at me tough. I would not have stood by a watched a man be murdered.

This internet tough guy shtick is always unbecoming whenever and wherever it rears its head.

Internet tough guy? It would have been the right thing to do and shame on the fellow officers at the scene for doing nothing.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No it isn’t. If I had been in their shoes I’d have called out my teacher and pulled him off.

Not to sound peevish but it’s easy for you to say that here versus actually having been an officer and been in that situation.

Besides, even outside of the moral compass I doubt a responsible cop would have wanted to start struggling/tussling with Chauvin and risk the suspect breaking free from the other two officers because of him grappling with his superior. (Remember Floyd was still conscious and struggling to a degree on the pavement before he finally went unresponsive.)

So instead a man died. Wonderful.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It is easy too say. Id have forcibly removed my teacher and called him out for his despicable action and if that made him and others in the department mad at me tough. I would not have stood by a watched a man be murdered.

This internet tough guy shtick is always unbecoming whenever and wherever it rears its head.

Yeah it's not a good look

[Zurkir]

Not to sound peevish but it’s easy for you to say that here versus actually having been an officer and been in that situation.

Besides, even outside of the moral compass I doubt a responsible cop would have wanted to start struggling/tussling with Chauvin and risk the suspect breaking free from the other two officers because of him grappling with his superior. (Remember Floyd was still conscious and struggling to a degree on the pavement before he finally went unresponsive.)

So instead a man died. Wonderful.

People die every day every minute in even more unfair circumstances then that, if we would rather be playing the cynical game.

Besides, other than the two offered solutions, do you have anything else in mind that could have worked?

[San Lumen]

So instead a man died. Wonderful.

People die every day every minute in even more unfair circumstances then that, if we would rather be playing the cynical game.

Besides, other than the two offered solutions, do you have anything else in mind that could have worked?

His fellow officers could have intervened and not blindly watched as he murdered a man. That makes them even worse.

[Kowani]

"if we took the police, exertion, and drugs out of it, and floyd died in his house, what would you think the cause of death was" "probably heart disease"

well gee no shit if we take the cops out of it the cause of death would be different

[Heloin]

"if we took the police, exertion, and drugs out of it, and floyd died in his house, what would you think the cause of death was" "probably heart disease"

well gee no shit if we take the cops out of it the cause of death would be different

This is some Lionel Hutz level of lawyering right here.

[Atheris]

"if we took the police, exertion, and drugs out of it, and floyd died in his house, what would you think the cause of death was" "probably heart disease"

well gee no shit if we take the cops out of it the cause of death would be different

[Ifreann]

"if we took the police, exertion, and drugs out of it, and floyd died in his house, what would you think the cause of death was" "probably heart disease"

well gee no shit if we take the cops out of it the cause of death would be different

If we take the cops out of it then Floyd wouldn't have died.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"if we took the police, exertion, and drugs out of it, and floyd died in his house, what would you think the cause of death was" "probably heart disease"

well gee no shit if we take the cops out of it the cause of death would be different

Well yes if the local law "enforcement" brigade wasn't called Floyd would probs be alive today.

[Ethel mermania]

"if we took the police, exertion, and drugs out of it, and floyd died in his house, what would you think the cause of death was" "probably heart disease"

well gee no shit if we take the cops out of it the cause of death would be different

And I would have gone with. Bad question without a knee on his neck he wouldn't be dead.

[Kowani]

"What if you removed all the police so it was just the drugs would he have overdosed"
"What if he was lying facedown on a beach in florida"
"What if he was sat on a church bench with a baseball bat under him"


i will attempt to find video of these, jfc

[Atheris]

"What if you removed all the police so it was just the drugs would he have overdosed"
"What if he was lying facedown on a beach in florida"
"What if he was sat on a church bench with a baseball bat under him"


i will attempt to find video of these, jfc

what the fuck do the last 2 have anything to do with this

[Andsed]

"What if you removed all the police so it was just the drugs would he have overdosed"
"What if he was lying facedown on a beach in florida"
"What if he was sat on a church bench with a baseball bat under him"


i will attempt to find video of these, jfc

The only one of these that I can even see the point in asking is the first one. The rest are just mindbogglingly pointless and dumb.

[Kowani]

"What if you removed all the police so it was just the drugs would he have overdosed"
"What if he was lying facedown on a beach in florida"
"What if he was sat on a church bench with a baseball bat under him"


i will attempt to find video of these, jfc

-1:38:49-minor correction, it was "pool in florida", not beach
attempting to find the second one now

[Kowani]

"What if you removed all the police so it was just the drugs would he have overdosed"
"What if he was lying facedown on a beach in florida"
"What if he was sat on a church bench with a baseball bat under him"


i will attempt to find video of these, jfc

-1:38:49-minor correction, it was "pool in florida", not beach
attempting to find the second one now

-1:39:42

[Kowani]

Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker (guy who performed the police autopsy) testifies that his autopsy shows George Floyd had no previous damage to his heart muscle

He also claims that he didn't notice any "acute injury to the brain in the sense of physical trauma" nor any evidence of it being "deprived of blood or oxygen."

[Xmara]

The trial of the century

Chauvin should be found guilty of at least third-degree murder.

Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker (guy who performed the police autopsy) testifies that his autopsy shows George Floyd had no previous damage to his heart muscle

He also claims that he didn't notice any "acute injury to the brain in the sense of physical trauma" nor any evidence of it being "deprived of blood or oxygen."

I swear if the jury still somehow finds Chauvin not guilty...