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Katganistan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:What is this reasonable doubt you speak of?

Apparently it's reasonable to doubt that cutting off someone's air for ten minutes and refusing to let EMTs help him would kill someone.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Katganistan wrote:Apparently it's reasonable to doubt that cutting off someone's air for ten minutes and refusing to let EMTs help him would kill someone.

But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Ethel mermania wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

Alcala-Cordel wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

I've seen quite a few in my area, as well as with thec op defenders. A few days ago I even drove past some people with a "Free Chauvin" sign near their blue line flag.

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Yes they do. If a person is worthless to the society why should this parasite live?
People like this (race slur) only suck the social support out of the pockets of the decent hard-working taxpayers (and yes I am a working taxpayer if you want to know).

Kowani wrote:Forensic toxicologist Dr. Daniel Isenschmid testifies in Derek Chauvin trial that George Floyd’s fentanyl ratio was below the ratio found in DUI drivers and well below the ratio in post-mortem cases (for people who died from drug overdoses)
He also says the amount of meth found in George Floyd's blood was consistent with the amount from a prescription dose -- a "very low" dose.

Ethel mermania wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

Kowani wrote:found the graph they used in the trial
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Kowani wrote:

Kowani wrote:some exhibits at trial, on the testimony of the state’s outside medical expert, Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonary and critical care medic with 45 yrs of experience
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He testifies that his opinion is George Floyd died from a low level of oxygen that caused brain damage and caused an arrhythmia that made his heart stop.

Dr. Tobin testifies that this image of George Floyd which shows his knuckles against the tire of the squad car is "extraordinarily significant" because it shows that Floyd has used up all his resources and is literally trying to breathe with his fingers and knuckles.

He also claims that even a healthy person (someone without George Floyd's pre-existing medical conditions) would have died if they had been subjected to everything George Floyd was subjected to.

Atheris wrote:

Kowani wrote:found the graph they used in the trial
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Looks like that rules out the "he had a drug overdose" defense.

Rusozak wrote:

Atheris wrote:Looks like that rules out the "he had a drug overdose" defense.

But what will they use for racial dogwhistling now?

Kowani wrote:Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

Laka Strolistandiler wrote: TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

As a white supremacist, my opinion is somewhat biased, but I believe that he is not guilty. There was a direct threat to the officer’s life from the scourge of (race slur that I can use because I’m half-black), the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

Risottia wrote:

Kowani wrote:Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Vorausen wrote:My honest opinion on what will happen (don't get triggered please, it's what I think will happen) is drumroll, please.......


Not guilty. That's right not guilty. If there is any reasonable doubt about a case and a charge, then it definitely shouldn't be a guilty verdict. You have to have absolutely no doubt that Derek Chauvin committed second-degree intentional murder. But there is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. Now would I like to see Derel Chauvin go to jail and get punished, absolutely! But remember you have to separate what you want and your emotions from law and justice. If they decide on guilty, the justice system has failed Derek Chauvin.

There are other charges against Chauvin. I dont disagree he may not be convicted on the murder 2 charge. I would be very surprised if he doesn't get convicted on murder 3, or the manslaughter charges.

Kowani wrote:Forensic toxicologist Dr. Daniel Isenschmid testifies in Derek Chauvin trial that George Floyd’s fentanyl ratio was below the ratio found in DUI drivers and well below the ratio in post-mortem cases (for people who died from drug overdoses)
He also says the amount of meth found in George Floyd's blood was consistent with the amount from a prescription dose -- a "very low" dose.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Risottia wrote:
I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

In general I am pretty pro-cop. That said, I agree with that conclusion. If someone pulled out a piece and shot Chauvin without a warning, and used a "saving a life" defense. I wouldn't convict.

Madrinpoor wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:There are other charges against Chauvin. I dont disagree he may not be convicted on the murder 2 charge. I would be very surprised if he doesn't get convicted on murder 3, or the manslaughter charges.

Manslaughter almost certainly is going to land, at least in my relatively uneducated understanding of the law. And so would third degree murder, and if the jury decides it is a hate crime then it could be second degree murder too, on the assumption that Chauvin killed Floyd because he's black. It's a bit of a stretch, but the first two should put Chauvin away for a long, long time.

Madrinpoor wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:There are other charges against Chauvin. I dont disagree he may not be convicted on the murder 2 charge. I would be very surprised if he doesn't get convicted on murder 3, or the manslaughter charges.

Manslaughter almost certainly is going to land, at least in my relatively uneducated understanding of the law. And so would third degree murder, and if the jury decides it is a hate crime then it could be second degree murder too, on the assumption that Chauvin killed Floyd because he's black. It's a bit of a stretch, but the first two should put Chauvin away for a long, long time.

Ethel mermania wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
But....but...resisting.....eating drugs.....

The police really need to stop rallying around scum like Chauvin. It makes them all look bad.

Tbf i don't see a lot of cops rallying around Chauvin. The most damming testimony from the prosecution has been from cops.

Atheris wrote:

Kowani wrote:found the graph they used in the trial
-snip-

Looks like that rules out the "he had a drug overdose" defense.

Risottia wrote:

Kowani wrote:Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

Risottia wrote:

Kowani wrote:Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse.


yeah that's enough for today

I am starting to think that shooting Chauvin while he was kneeling on Floyd's neck should have been considered a case of legitimate use of force in defence of the victim of an armed criminal.

Zurkir wrote:..

Chauvin’s fellow officers should’ve stopped him or made it clear he needed to ease up, and they didn’t. That’s negligence on their part.