Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Herador]

People seem to want more and more blood, rather than an improved society. Perhaps less so in a big-picture policy sense, but when you get down to individual criminals there's just so much animalistic rage that comes out from the public, as if bringing back crucifixion still wouldn't be enough to satisfy most people.

It's a worrying trend I see in both the real world and the Internet. There's a fine line between holding someone accountable and holding a (figurative or literal, depending on the context) public execution.

Chauvin's sentence is shorter than I expected, but is still good enough for me.

The truth is he was found guilty of the charge prosecutors could most confidently levy against him and given a punishment that is actually harsher than usual for that charge. This is a good result if it sets a trend.

[Torisakia]

People seem to want more and more blood, rather than an improved society. Perhaps less so in a big-picture policy sense, but when you get down to individual criminals there's just so much animalistic rage that comes out from the public, as if bringing back crucifixion still wouldn't be enough to satisfy most people.

It's a worrying trend I see in both the real world and the Internet. There's a fine line between holding someone accountable and holding a (figurative or literal, depending on the context) public execution.

Chauvin's sentence is shorter than I expected, but is still good enough for me.

I mean I would have supported the death penalty in this case (yes I know Minnesota doesn't have the death penalty). But I understand what you're saying. Of course most of what is said on the internet is all talk, and the people saying it would likely never actually do anything.

[USS Monitor]

It's a worrying trend I see in both the real world and the Internet. There's a fine line between holding someone accountable and holding a (figurative or literal, depending on the context) public execution.

Chauvin's sentence is shorter than I expected, but is still good enough for me.

I mean I would have supported the death penalty in this case (yes I know Minnesota doesn't have the death penalty). But I understand what you're saying. Of course most of what is said on the internet is all talk, and the people saying it would likely never actually do anything.

No, they'll just demand that other people do things.

They're like the Nazi bureaucrats that spent the whole war sitting in a comfy office ordering other people to commit crimes against humanity.

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People seem to want more and more blood, rather than an improved society. Perhaps less so in a big-picture policy sense, but when you get down to individual criminals there's just so much animalistic rage that comes out from the public, as if bringing back crucifixion still wouldn't be enough to satisfy most people.

It's a worrying trend I see in both the real world and the Internet. There's a fine line between holding someone accountable and holding a (figurative or literal, depending on the context) public execution.

Chauvin's sentence is shorter than I expected, but is still good enough for me.

You ever see those black and white American flags with the blue lines through it? Those are pro-public execution flags. And not even convicts! Just spin the roulette wheel and see which poor bastard is publicly executed by the state's official gang.

[The Holy Therns]

22.5 years sounds appropriate.

[New haven america]

The feds want him for hate crimes against Floyd and a 14 year old boy. They also want him for tax evasion, tax fraud, and wire fraud.

After this 22 year sentence is up the feds will send him to the federal pen for the hate crimes and the tax crimes

I say its fairly likely he spends the rest of his life in jail.

Ok, so, Derek is 45 years old atm.

So when he gets out after his 22 years he'll be 67, and then he'll get sent to the feds which will most likely give him another 15-30 years at minimum. (Average sentence for tax evasion and fraud is 3-5 years each, wire tapping is 3-5 years, and hate crimes are 10 years)

So, in his perspective, a best case scenario would be him being free at the age of 82 (Or at worst, 97).

[The Holy Therns]

I say its fairly likely he spends the rest of his life in jail.

Ok, so, Derek is 45 years old atm.

So when he gets out after his 22 years he'll be 67, and then he'll get sent to the feds which will most likely give him another 15-30 years at minimum. (Average sentence for tax evasion and fraud is 3-5 years, wire tapping is 3-5 years, and hate crimes are 10 years)

So, in his perspective, a best case scenario would be him being free at the age of 82 (Or at worst, 97).

Oh oops.

[Gravlen]

That's heavily debatable, given all the intentional killings of blacks across the country.

Genocide is about eliminating or displacing an entire population. This is not occurring:

Point of order:

While I absolutely agree with you that there is no genocide of black people occurring in the US at present, your argument against that notion - one that is commonly used against allegations of genocide elsewhere as well - does not actually refute the idea. While you're showing an increasing black population in the US, that could simply be because the ongoing genocide is not eliminating enough black people to offset their population growth. If that was going on, it would still be a genocide.

In other words, there is no requirement that the destruction of a certain group is sufficiently effective for it to be deemed genocide. See, for example, 18 U.S. Code § 1091 for a relevant definition of genocide. There's requirements concerning the intent of the actions, and not the effectiveness of them.

Now, concerning the claim that black people are being intentionally killed. If that is true, and the intent were to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a racial group, that would indeed be genocide. If the police intentionally killed one black person for that reason, or if they killed 248 for that reason, it would be genocide. However, there's no indication that the requisite genocidal intent is fulfilled here, and without showing that the necessary mens rea exists with regard to these killings, the claim does not stand up to scrutiny.

(It does also mean that even if the genocidal intent of an individual perpetrator is established, it doesn't mean the State or a State entity have automatically been found to engage in a genocidal campaign. That needs proof of its own. And vice versa, though that gets complicated.)

[Kowani]

Chauvin has now filed his appeal

Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer found guilty of murdering George Floyd, appealed the conviction on his own behalf at the 11th-hour Thursday, CBS Minnesota reports.


Chauvin was convicted in April of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd's death on Memorial Day of 2020. He was sentenced to 22-and-a-half years in prison. [...] In the filing, which was made on the last day it could have been, Chauvin said he's out of money and "unrepresented by legal counsel in connection with the appeal."

He said he was denied representation by a public defender, and is asking the Minnesota Supreme Court to review that decision.

He also said the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis no longer represents him now that he was convicted.

Eric Nelson represented Chauvin in state court and is currently listed as his counsel for a federal civil rights case in which Chauvin has pleaded not guilty. Late Thursday, Judge Peter Cahill, who presided over Chauvin's trial, granted Chauvin "pauper status," which means he's exempt from having to pay court costs and filing fees.

Attorney Joe Tamburino, who wasn't affiliated with Chauvin's case, told CBS Minnesota Thursday evening that it's very unusual that Chauvin wouldn't have his trial attorney filing the appeal for him.

"He's been denied a public defender. He's in prison … for the next 22-plus years," Tamburino said. "I don't know why that was denied." Among the assertions in Chauvin's appeal and aspects of the trial he pointed to:

The court "abused its discretion" when denying the defense's motion for a change of venue, sequestration of the jury for the entire trial, a continuance and a new trial.
There was "prejudicial prosecutorial misconduct" committed by state prosecutors.
The court's decision to allow Morries Hall, who was with Floyd the night of his death, to not testify.
The court's decision to deny the presentation of "cumulative evidence with respect to use of force."
The court's order for state prosecutors "to lead witnesses on direct examination."
The court's alleged failure to make an official record of sidebar conferences throughout the trial.
The court's alleged failure in allowing the defense to strike "clearly biased jurors during voir dire (jury selection)"
The court's allowing the added third-degree murder charge.
The court's decision to limit and "undercut" the admission into evidence of Floyd's May 6, 2019 arrest.
The court's denial of the defense's "post-verdict motion for a new trial due to juror misconduct."

The full appeal can be found here

[Grazilina]

George Floyd's death is a horrific tragedy that he didn't deserve. His death was the result of manipulative use of being an authority like a white police officer. It disgusts me that the only reason Derek Chauvin's life is protected is because he is white. I cannot believe that today, there's still a large percentage of people that see white people as a "superior" race. I believe that if Floyd was a white guy that the cops wouldn't have laid a hand on him. It saddens me that being white is a shield, and people who aren't are unsafe and vulnerable, especially to the police that are supposed to be protecting us. Just because someone is an officer, doesn't mean they don't deserve to be convicted and punished for the awful things they've done. However, it seems like if you're a white officer you can get away with anything, even murder and assault. I hope Derek Chauvin rots and jail, and gets the punishment he deserves for what he's done.

[Relden]

George Floyd's death is a horrific tragedy that he didn't deserve.

Yeah, he didn't deserve it, but the guy wasn't a saint. He was a criminal.

His death was the result of manipulative use of being an authority like a white police officer.

No, it was a result of a drug overdose.

It disgusts me that the only reason Derek Chauvin's life is protected is because he is white.

What are you rambling about? What has he been protected from...?

[Neuer California]

His death was the result of manipulative use of being an authority like a white police officer.

No, it was a result of a drug overdose.

Nope. Coroner said it was as a result of Chauvin putting his knee on Floyd's neck for over eight minutes. The drugs were a contributing factor, but not the cause.

[Vassenor]

George Floyd's death is a horrific tragedy that he didn't deserve.

Yeah, he didn't deserve it, but the guy wasn't a saint. He was a criminal.

His death was the result of manipulative use of being an authority like a white police officer.

No, it was a result of a drug overdose.

It disgusts me that the only reason Derek Chauvin's life is protected is because he is white.

What are you rambling about? What has he been protected from...?

Repeating lies that were debunked in a court of law does not magically make them true.

[Kowani]

Jury Selection has now begun in the federal trial of the other 3 officers, Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane (Chauvin took a plea deal)

[Kowani]

Jury Selection has now begun in the federal trial of the other 3 officers, Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane (Chauvin took a plea deal)

All 3 found guilty

[Big Bad Blue]

Jury Selection has now begun in the federal trial of the other 3 officers, Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane (Chauvin took a plea deal)

All 3 found guilty

Justice: done.