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Is Derek Chauvin Guilty?

Yes, he was completely responsible.
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62%
I don’t know. I need more information first.
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8%
No, Floyd had a heart attack.
75
7%
No, Floyd had a drug overdose.
194
19%
Other
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Total votes : 1014

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:10 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:My union provides representation for on the job incidents, its part of the point of being in a union.


At what point is homicide classed as an on-the-job incident?

Whether or not said homicide is justified.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:22 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
At what point is homicide classed as an on-the-job incident?

Whether or not said homicide is justified.

Even if it's not, the union has to represent me. Say I allow an unsafe electrical panel to pass inspection, an electrician touches the panel and dies because of my negligence, I am still represented
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:38 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Whether or not said homicide is justified.

Even if it's not, the union has to represent me. Say I allow an unsafe electrical panel to pass inspection, an electrician touches the panel and dies because of my negligence, I am still represented

Oh, no doubt and fully understand that one is entitled to representation. I was merely trying to say to vass that in certain jobs, homicides can occur that will be determined to either be justified or unjustified as an on the job incident. Perhaps I was too pithy in my reply.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:48 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Even if it's not, the union has to represent me. Say I allow an unsafe electrical panel to pass inspection, an electrician touches the panel and dies because of my negligence, I am still represented

Oh, no doubt and fully understand that one is entitled to representation. I was merely trying to say to vass that in certain jobs, homicides can occur that will be determined to either be justified or unjustified as an on the job incident. Perhaps I was too pithy in my reply.

It was fine
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:06 am

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Postby Page » Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:08 am



Based on the sentencing guidelines, we can be assured he will get a longer sentence than a billionaire serial rapist and a shorter sentence than a black guy with a single personal dose of crack cocaine.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:12 am

Page wrote:


Based on the sentencing guidelines, we can be assured he will get a longer sentence than a billionaire serial rapist and a shorter sentence than a black guy with a single personal dose of crack cocaine.

They’re seeking 30 years.
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Postby Page » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:30 am

Kowani wrote:
Page wrote:
Based on the sentencing guidelines, we can be assured he will get a longer sentence than a billionaire serial rapist and a shorter sentence than a black guy with a single personal dose of crack cocaine.

They’re seeking 30 years.


Yes, that doesn't clash with what I said.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:36 am

Page wrote:
Kowani wrote:They’re seeking 30 years.


Yes, that doesn't clash with what I said.

...the average sentence for crack cocaine possession is 14 years
like, c'mon
you don't have to be for the war on drugs or pro-cop to avoid this sort of pitfall
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:23 am

Kowani wrote:
Page wrote:
Yes, that doesn't clash with what I said.

...the average sentence for crack cocaine possession is 14 years
like, c'mon
you don't have to be for the war on drugs or pro-cop to avoid this sort of pitfall

Oof.

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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:42 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:...the average sentence for crack cocaine possession is 14 years
like, c'mon
you don't have to be for the war on drugs or pro-cop to avoid this sort of pitfall

Oof.

Ya know I’ve learned one thing here. Don’t mess with Kowani, cause he’ll pull out some obscure fact from nowhere

hehehe :p




also, sentencing happening now (live video of the court)
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:45 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oof.

Ya know I’ve learned one thing here. Don’t mess with Kowani, cause he’ll pull out some obscure fact from nowhere

hehehe :p




also, sentencing happening now (live video of the court)


We should have had a poll, how long will the sentence be?. I got 50 bucks on more than 20 years.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:48 am

i believe we're on the last impact statement from his brother now
transcripts will come later
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Postby Deblar » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:59 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oof.

Ya know I’ve learned one thing here. Don’t mess with Kowani, cause he’ll pull out some obscure fact from nowhere

hehehe :p




also, sentencing happening now (live video of the court)

Godspeed, ladies and gentlemen

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:06 pm

Jarvikan wrote:George did threaten to kill a pregnant woman if she didn’t give him her purse but OK


That doesn't mean the police get to murder him the way they did.

That's the problem here, how the police are behaving and conducting themselves.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Kowani wrote:i believe we're on the last impact statement from his brother now
transcripts will come later

full impact statement from his daughter, Gianna Floyd

chauvin's mother just finished speaking, nelson's up
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:31 pm

anddddddddddd
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Postby Xmara » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:34 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:


We should have had a poll, how long will the sentence be?. I got 50 bucks on more than 20 years.

Yeah the op needs to update the poll.

I bet he’ll get life without parole. Though with his age that basically would be about 30 years like they’re seeking.

Point is, I don’t think he’ll leave prison alive.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:34 pm

Kowani wrote:anddddddddddd
recess

Need time to run commercials
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:41 pm

Xmara wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
We should have had a poll, how long will the sentence be?. I got 50 bucks on more than 20 years.

Yeah the op needs to update the poll.

I bet he’ll get life without parole. Though with his age that basically would be about 30 years like they’re seeking.

Point is, I don’t think he’ll leave prison alive.

I am sure Kowani can tell us, but I think 40 years is maximum on the top charge
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The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:45 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Xmara wrote:Yeah the op needs to update the poll.

I bet he’ll get life without parole. Though with his age that basically would be about 30 years like they’re seeking.

Point is, I don’t think he’ll leave prison alive.

I am sure Kowani can tell us, but I think 40 years is maximum on the top charge

this is correct, yes
because minn. law has him serving the sentences for the other charges at the same time, the maximum sentences for the other charges (25 years
for third-degree murder and up to 10 years for manslaughter) don't matter unless he wins an appeal and the verdict differs
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:47 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I am sure Kowani can tell us, but I think 40 years is maximum on the top charge

this is correct, yes
because minn. law has him serving the sentences for the other charges at the same time, the maximum sentences for the other charges (25 years
for third-degree murder and up to 10 years for manslaughter) don't matter unless he wins an appeal and the verdict differs

The judge denied the retrial so the only way that happens is after an appeal.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:48 pm


I am sorry but what? Even if new information comes to light there is nothing that is going to give that family peace of mind. Even if there where circumstances that somehow exonerated Chauvin, there husband/father/ brother/son is dead in police hands.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:51 pm

AND WE'RE BACK
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