Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Kowani]

Prosecutors Jerry Blackwell and Steve Schleicher confirm that they'll both be involved in the prosecution of the other Minneapolis officers for their roles in the death of George Floyd.

[Katganistan]

That’s not how it works. The public has no say in the matter.

If a local government is mad enough about losing too much in any one case- maybe that legislature could possibly pass some arbitration legislation that'll put a cap on what can be rewarded. Its an intolerable state of affairs if any one individual or family, can win big from some misfortune on that basis alone. They didn't really earn that money, they fleeced the defendant for what could be gotten via a skilled enough attorney.

No.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That’s not how it works. The public has no say in the matter.

If a local government is mad enough about losing too much in any one case- maybe that legislature could possibly pass some arbitration legislation that'll put a cap on what can be rewarded. Its an intolerable state of affairs if any one individual or family, can win big from some misfortune on that basis alone. They didn't really earn that money, they fleeced the defendant for what could be gotten via a skilled enough attorney.

No, they earned the money when a murderous cop killed their relative after years of MPD acting more like a terrorist group than a police department.

[Bear Stearns]

Prosecutors Jerry Blackwell and Steve Schleicher confirm that they'll both be involved in the prosecution of the other Minneapolis officers for their roles in the death of George Floyd.

going back to the well huh

[Shazbotdom]

That’s not how it works. The public has no say in the matter.

If a local government is mad enough about losing too much in any one case- maybe that legislature could possibly pass some arbitration legislation that'll put a cap on what can be rewarded. Its an intolerable state of affairs if any one individual or family, can win big from some misfortune on that basis alone. They didn't really earn that money, they fleeced the defendant for what could be gotten via a skilled enough attorney.

That...

That's not how this works.

[Bear Stearns]

If a local government is mad enough about losing too much in any one case- maybe that legislature could possibly pass some arbitration legislation that'll put a cap on what can be rewarded. Its an intolerable state of affairs if any one individual or family, can win big from some misfortune on that basis alone. They didn't really earn that money, they fleeced the defendant for what could be gotten via a skilled enough attorney.

No, they earned the money when a murderous cop killed their relative after years of MPD acting more like a terrorist group than a police department.

i don't really like police that much and the Branch Davidians did nothing wrong, but saying that the police are more like a terrorist group is way out of line and grossly exaggerated.

they are more lik organized crime

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

I didn’t know that there were pedos who were only complicit in a system that hurts kids rather than wanting too. /s

People can be pissed off at everyone in a shitty system without painting them all as the same.

I’m having a hard time making sense of this.

In the social context, ACAB is meant as a rejection of the "bad apples" narrative and as a condemnation of the action or inaction of all police. It's significantly more nuanced than the denotative meaning.

[North Washington Republic]

Prosecutors Jerry Blackwell and Steve Schleicher confirm that they'll both be involved in the prosecution of the other Minneapolis officers for their roles in the death of George Floyd.

I smell a plea bargain.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I’m having a hard time making sense of this.

It is not necessary, for a system to be evil, for any particular individual person in that system to be evil.

I have no doubt that most soldiers who fought for the Axis were perfectly nice young men, but I’m still glad that history worked out such that the Allies succeeded in shooting and bombing them in large numbers.

Why is this difficult to understand?

[Bear Stearns]

I’m having a hard time making sense of this.

It is not necessary, for a system to be evil, for any particular individual person in that system to be evil.

I have no doubt that most soldiers who fought for the Axis were perfectly nice young men, but I’m still glad that the Allies succeeded in defeating them in large numbers.

Why is this difficult to understand?

read their signature and think about it for a second

[North Washington Republic]

I’m having a hard time making sense of this.

It is not necessary, for a system to be evil, for any particular individual person in that system to be evil.

I have no doubt that most soldiers who fought for the Axis were perfectly nice young men, but I’m still glad that history worked out such that the Allies succeeded in shooting and bombing them in large numbers.

Why is this difficult to understand?

Well, i don’t compare the average police officer to nazis and fascists, but this is where I disagree with the ACAB crowd. As I said before, and will say again, i support making sensible reforms to policing but not at the expense of public safety and law and order.

[Kowani]

It is not necessary, for a system to be evil, for any particular individual person in that system to be evil.

I have no doubt that most soldiers who fought for the Axis were perfectly nice young men, but I’m still glad that history worked out such that the Allies succeeded in shooting and bombing them in large numbers.

Why is this difficult to understand?

Well, i don’t compare the average police officer to nazis and fascists, but this is where I disagree with the ACAB crowd. As I said before, and will say again, i support making sensible reforms to policing but not at the expense of public safety and law and order.

>police
>public safety

lmao

[The Alma Mater]

It is not necessary, for a system to be evil, for any particular individual person in that system to be evil.

I have no doubt that most soldiers who fought for the Axis were perfectly nice young men, but I’m still glad that history worked out such that the Allies succeeded in shooting and bombing them in large numbers.

Why is this difficult to understand?

Well, i don’t compare the average police officer to nazis and fascists

The comparison was made with pedos. To spell it out: not all pedos are bad. It is irrational to hate all individual pedos, just like it is irrational to hate all individual cops.
However, we see that when individual pedos and invidual cops form groups, they start doing bad things - like exchanging nude pictures of minors or purposefully dislocating a demented grannies arm so they have a fun vid to watch in the office.

Or perhaps we should introduce my favourite dead horse: Catholic priests. There are many good men who are Catholic Priests. But the institute of the Roman Catholic Church as a whole is repugnant and facilitates sadism and abuse.

[Bear Stearns]

To spell it out: not all pedos are bad..

im sorry what

[The Alma Mater]

To spell it out: not all pedos are bad..

im sorry what

Most pedos take great care to do nothing with their feelings. Calling someone bad because they are ill is rather repugnant, is it not ?

[The Rich Port]

im sorry what

Most pedos take great care to do nothing with their feelings. Calling someone bad because they are ill is rather repugnant, is it not ?

I understand the sentiment... But your wording could use some work NGL.

Yeah people who are like that should seek help immediately and we should be open to help them, but yeah, that's the thing innit. It's a disease with the potential to harm mostly other people, and the most precious kind of people. It should be closely monitored by everyone involved.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

It's a [status] with the potential to harm mostly other people, and the most precious kind of people. It should be closely monitored by everyone involved.

With the slightest change in wording, the exact same applies to police officers.

[The Rich Port]

It's a [status] with the potential to harm mostly other people, and the most precious kind of people. It should be closely monitored by everyone involved.

With the slightest change in wording, the exact same applies to police officers.

Indeed XD

[Toronina]

It is not necessary, for a system to be evil, for any particular individual person in that system to be evil.

I have no doubt that most soldiers who fought for the Axis were perfectly nice young men, but I’m still glad that history worked out such that the Allies succeeded in shooting and bombing them in large numbers.

Why is this difficult to understand?

Well, i don’t compare the average police officer to nazis and fascists, but this is where I disagree with the ACAB crowd. As I said before, and will say again, i support making sensible reforms to policing but not at the expense of public safety and law and order.

I'm all for reasonable reforms. The only reasonable reform is the tear it down and rebuild it. Police aren't interested in public safety, and when the few good cops do show up and try to take action, their fellow cops try to have them killed.

I'm not comparing them to Nazis and Fascists. What I am saying is that the system is corrupt, many cops are either complicit or silent in the corruption, and its extremely obvious law and order and oublic safety is suffering because of these corrupt cops.

Unless you mean to tell me every single person who suffered police brutality deserved it, I don't see what the issue is. Cops are frequently breaking the laws they are supposed to uphold. We are discussing this because a group of cops decided to kill someone for "resisting"

[Kowani]

Well, i don’t compare the average police officer to nazis and fascists, but this is where I disagree with the ACAB crowd. As I said before, and will say again, i support making sensible reforms to policing but not at the expense of public safety and law and order.

I'm all for reasonable reforms. The only reasonable reform is the tear it down and rebuild it. Police aren't interested in public safety, and when the few good cops do show up and try to take action, their fellow cops try to have them killed.

I'm not comparing them to Nazis and Fascists. What I am saying is that the system is corrupt, many cops are either complicit or silent in the corruption, and its extremely obvious law and order and oublic safety is suffering because of these corrupt cops.

Unless you mean to tell me every single person who suffered police brutality deserved it, I don't see what the issue is. Cops are frequently breaking the laws they are supposed to uphold. We are discussing this because a group of cops decided to kill someone for "resisting"

i like you already

[Page]

Policing as it currently exists is fundamentally harmful. Even a police officer who never inflicts unnecessary physical harm on people, even a police officer who refuses to cover for those who do, is inevitably forced to do evil things because those evil things are fundamental job requirements.

Just consider what happens when a police officer arrests a person for drug possession. That person, who is most likely not financially well-off, can be financially ruined by even a misdemeanor charge. They will have to pay for an attorney, even if they get a public defender, there is usually a fee that has to be paid. If they get probation, the state will make them pay more fees. A conviction on their record will permanently impair their upward mobility by excluding them from job opportunities. If they can't pay their bail or get a jail sentence, even if they're only in jail for a few weeks or months, they lose their job, they lose their home, they are isolated from their family and friends, their mental health is damaged by the violent and degrading conditions they are subjected to. What happens when that person gets out of jail? Their life is ruined. What's left for them? Nothing but the drug that makes them feel less shitty. What happens to them? They either get caught up in the system all over again, or they overdose and die.

Did the police officers create that system? No, but they are a part of it.

Furthermore, policing fundamentally upholds the class system. If you are a worker whose employer has stolen your overtime wages, you can't call the police for that. You have to sue, and if you can't afford an attorney then you have no recourse at all, something employers know they can bet on which is why they steal from their workers.

Wage theft accounts for the vast majority of theft. The combined value stolen from every bank robbery, every car theft, every burglary, every mugging, every instance of shoplifting doesn't come close to the sum of wage theft. Police will come and arrest you if you steal an item worth a single dollar, but never the owning class for their acts of theft. And the same applies to housing. The police won't come and arrest your landlord if you are subjected to unlivable conditions, but they will come and throw you out of your home. They will throw you out of your home in the middle of a pandemic in winter because they have a piece of paper ordering them to do that.

While some cops might be good people outside of their jobs, it is impossible to be a good cop because simply fulfilling your duties requires hurting innocent people.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

-snip-

Well said! Can’t put it better myself.

At some point we need to stop bickering over the particulars, take a few steps back to look at the overall picture, and ask ourselves just what is being done here.

[North Washington Republic]

-snip-

Well said! Can’t put it better myself.

At some point we need to stop bickering over the particulars, take a few steps back to look at the overall picture, and ask ourselves just what is being done here.

With all due respect , I think the particulars matter when it comes to police reform.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

With all due respect , I think the particulars matter when it comes to police reform.

If you have actual substantive disagreements to bring against Page’s arguments and the conclusion that law enforcement as it currently exists is flawed from its very motivation and concept, not just in the details of its execution, you are free to elaborate on them.

Or you can keep sniping at my posts for no apparent reason. That is also your freedom.

[North Washington Republic]

With all due respect , I think the particulars matter when it comes to police reform.

If you have actual substantive disagreements to bring against Page’s arguments and the conclusion that law enforcement as it currently exists is flawed from its very motivation and concept, not just in the details of its execution, you are free to elaborate on them.

Or you can keep sniping at my posts for no apparent reason. That is also your freedom.

Well, I have never claimed that law enforcement as it exists right now is prefect. I have said we need reforms, such as getting rid of qualified immunity, having more POC and trans cops and having residency requirements. I also believe that cops that murder unarmed civilians need to be sent to jail, and in the most egregious cases, the death penalty. I don’t believe that the system is rotten to the core like you believe. I don’t believe in burning the system down and rebuilding it, because that will lead to more chaos and death. And quite frankly, what you and Page are asking for is a pipe dream and not achievable. Chasing unrealistic idealism by any means necessary and/or any cost will only result in having reactionary policies implemented.