Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Eahland]

what the fuck do "violent rioters" have to do with what you replied to tho

It's a basic tu quoque that they're trying to use as a thought termination cliche.

More than that, it's like asking, "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" where any answer you give is implicitly accepting the invalid premise.

[Katganistan]

You're right. He was a human being whose value couldn't have a price tag put on it, and im sure his family wouldn't take kindly to you suggesting he's worthless.

It's going to rub me the wrong way if we find that half a year from now or so, a story comes out about them having a blast and really living it up, because someone in their family dying wound up being the best damn thing to ever happen to them. A $27 million windfall. Vastly more than is needed to be paid out.

Who honestly cares what you think they should do with the money that they got because a cop murdered their family member?

[Katganistan]

Pay cuts don't result in better behavior, especially among people trained to commit violence.

Not even conditional pay cuts ? " If one of you does wrong, all of you suffer" kinda thing.

That ABSOLUTELY doesn't work. If anything it will unite everyone punished unfairly even more than they are now.

[Kowani]

So Mr. AOC feet pics used his fracking funded YouTube channel to post the video "The jury got it wrong".

I'm not going to watch it, as it would just feed the youtube algorithm and give him ad money, but let it be known that the short man with the fracking money has unleased his garbage hot take to the world.

(I don't know why youtube keeps showring me Ben Shaperio ads, I tried telling youtube that I don't want to be advertised by his garbage but it keeps coming. I do hope that he is losing some money by advertising to someone who doesn't watch his dog shit)

i don't want to do another dive into right-wing media right now
but this is not an uncommon (though not unanimous) sentiment among certain parts of the reactionary brigade

[Katganistan]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/550015-derek-chauvin-to-be-sentenced-june-16

Derek Chauvin to be sentenced June 16

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... harassment

Judge orders Chauvin juror names sealed, citing risk of harassment

This is good, hopefully they keep their own anonymity and don’t do something stupid like write a book or something.

Or do it under a pseudonym in a few years.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So Mr. AOC feet pics used his fracking funded YouTube channel to post the video "The jury got it wrong".

I'm not going to watch it, as it would just feed the youtube algorithm and give him ad money, but let it be known that the short man with the fracking money has unleased his garbage hot take to the world.

(I don't know why youtube keeps showring me Ben Shaperio ads, I tried telling youtube that I don't want to be advertised by his garbage but it keeps coming. I do hope that he is losing some money by advertising to someone who doesn't watch his dog shit)

i don't want to do another dive into right-wing media right now
but this is not an uncommon (though not unanimous) sentiment among certain parts of the reactionary brigade

Sadly yes. It is very very common among the reactionary media.

It makes discourse on politics a pain.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -for-death

Minnesota AG says Floyd bears no responsibility for his death

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... sentencing

Minnesota AG: Court should 'not go light or heavy' on Chauvin sentencing

[Saiwania]

Who honestly cares what you think they should do with the money that they got because a cop murdered their family member?

If the settlement is coming out of public funds, the residents there can object to the settlement amount, if not seek to have it lowered if its not a done deal.

Judging by how incidents happen regardless elsewhere, a higher settlement doesn't appear to deter local governments or police from still doing scandals on occasion, so it must not be a valid argument in favor of rewarding higher settlements as opposed to lower amounts that will only cover a family or individual's medical/attorney's fees, if not 5 years or so of high salary as opposed to any amount that could feasibly be retired on.

[The Black Forrest]

Who honestly cares what you think they should do with the money that they got because a cop murdered their family member?

If the settlement is coming out of public funds, the residents there can object to the settlement amount, if not seek to have it lowered if its not a done deal.

Judging by how incidents happen regardless elsewhere, a higher settlement doesn't appear to deter local governments or police from still doing scandals on occasion, so it must not be a valid argument in favor of rewarding higher settlements as opposed to lower amounts that will only cover a family or individual's medical/attorney's fees, if not 5 years or so of high salary as opposed to any amount that could feasibly be retired on.

That’s not how it works. The public has no say in the matter.

[Saiwania]

That’s not how it works. The public has no say in the matter.

If a local government is mad enough about losing too much in any one case- maybe that legislature could possibly pass some arbitration legislation that'll put a cap on what can be rewarded. Its an intolerable state of affairs if any one individual or family, can win big from some misfortune on that basis alone. They didn't really earn that money, they fleeced the defendant for what could be gotten via a skilled enough attorney.

[The Black Forrest]

That’s not how it works. The public has no say in the matter.

If a local government is mad enough about losing too much in any one case- maybe that legislature could possibly pass some arbitration legislation that'll put a cap on what can be rewarded. Its an intolerable state of affairs if any one individual or family, can win big from some misfortune on that basis alone. They didn't really earn that money, they fleeced the defendant for what could be gotten via a skilled enough attorney.

Punitive damages are not about giving money to the victims; they are to punish defendants whose conduct is considered grossly negligent or intentional.

[Fahran]

Nevermind. Black Forrest beat me to it.

I'll save my anecdotes involving Jimmy Baby-Strangler for another time.

[Aeritai]

So Mr. AOC feet pics used his fracking funded YouTube channel to post the video "The jury got it wrong".

I'm not going to watch it, as it would just feed the youtube algorithm and give him ad money, but let it be known that the short man with the fracking money has unleased his garbage hot take to the world.

(I don't know why youtube keeps showring me Ben Shaperio ads, I tried telling youtube that I don't want to be advertised by his garbage but it keeps coming. I do hope that he is losing some money by advertising to someone who doesn't watch his dog shit)

You have that problem too? Usually it's not Ben Shapiro that comes up on my recommendations. The only right-wing videos that appear on my recommendations are Memeology 101, Joe Rogan, or Steven Chowder.

[Vassenor]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/550015-derek-chauvin-to-be-sentenced-june-16

Derek Chauvin to be sentenced June 16

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... harassment

Judge orders Chauvin juror names sealed, citing risk of harassment

But why would they be at risk when it's only the leftists who are meant to be threatening them and already got what they wanted?

[North Washington Republic]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/550015-derek-chauvin-to-be-sentenced-june-16

Derek Chauvin to be sentenced June 16

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... harassment

Judge orders Chauvin juror names sealed, citing risk of harassment

But why would they be at risk when it's only the leftists who are meant to be threatening them and already got what they wanted?

With the current rhetoric coming from right-wing media, I think that jurors may be more at risk for far-right violence.

[Seangoli]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/550209-minnesota-ag-says-floyd-bears-no-responsibility-for-death

Minnesota AG says Floyd bears no responsibility for his death

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... sentencing

Minnesota AG: Court should 'not go light or heavy' on Chauvin sentencing

Both of these are true. Even taking into consideration Floyd was on Fetanyl, and even accepting he was resisting arrest at the time, does not place any sort of responsibility on him. While technically resisting, he was not doing so in a violent manner which would warrant escalated use of force, and this is a point missed by people defending Chauvin on this front. Even according to the manual Chauvin's team submitted as evidence, the specific form of restraint should only be used on *combative* individuals, should not be done with significant weight applied, and should only be used as long as is necessary to restrain the individual. While floyd could be seen as being non-compliant at the time, it hardly could be argued he was combative. There were numerous other means of restraint that were at Chaubin's disposal that would use far less force. This isn't even getting into the issue of how using force to restrain an unconscious, unresponsive, and pulseless individual is beyond stupid from a common sense standpoint, and turns any notion of it being questionable use of force into clearly excessive use of force.

Equally, unless the Fetanyl was the sole cause of death, Chauvin is still culpable if his actions played a causal role in the death. Then, even *assuming* this were the case does not mean that Chauvin did nothing wrong; he was still applying excessive force to a person, which is *still* assault, even if Floyd would have died from other means (assuming this is true, mind you, which I'm not seeing).

As for sentencing, that's exactly what should happen. They should not go light on him because he is an officer or to appease dlcertain groups, and they should not go heavy on him simply to send a message and appease other groups. He should be sentenced according to the actions and crimes he committed. The strongest message that can and should be sent is that the law is equally applied in all matters.

[Alcala-Cordel]

So Mr. AOC feet pics used his fracking funded YouTube channel to post the video "The jury got it wrong".

I'm not going to watch it, as it would just feed the youtube algorithm and give him ad money, but let it be known that the short man with the fracking money has unleased his garbage hot take to the world.

(I don't know why youtube keeps showring me Ben Shaperio ads, I tried telling youtube that I don't want to be advertised by his garbage but it keeps coming. I do hope that he is losing some money by advertising to someone who doesn't watch his dog shit)

Youtube does that. The only thing I do on youtube is look for punk music but I can't even do that without the algorithm
trying to shove SJW cringe compilation #228 in my face.

[Toronina]

Glad to see he got convicted. The fact that there was any doubt over the verdict shows, to me at least, that the police are unreformable. The institution needs to be dismantled and built from the ground up.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... to-june-25

Chauvin sentencing pushing back to June 25th.

[Ethel mermania]

Glad to see he got convicted. The fact that there was any doubt over the verdict shows, to me at least, that the police are unreformable. The institution needs to be dismantled and built from the ground up.

Even though MPD testified against him and that testimony helped make the murder 2 charge stick?

[Toronina]

Glad to see he got convicted. The fact that there was any doubt over the verdict shows, to me at least, that the police are unreformable. The institution needs to be dismantled and built from the ground up.

Even though MPD testified against him and that testimony helped make the murder 2 charge stick?

So they sacrificed one of their guys, likely in the hope it would avoid trouble. So what? They're still out there murdering innocent people. Hell, innocents were assaulted and killed by cops while the trial was ongoing

[Ethel mermania]

Even though MPD testified against him and that testimony helped make the murder 2 charge stick?

So they sacrificed one of their guys, likely in the hope it would avoid trouble. So what? They're still out there murdering innocent people. Hell, innocents were assaulted and killed by cops while the trial was ongoing

Yes all those riotS in Minneapolis dwere avoided

[North Washington Republic]

So they sacrificed one of their guys, likely in the hope it would avoid trouble. So what? They're still out there murdering innocent people. Hell, innocents were assaulted and killed by cops while the trial was ongoing

Yes all those riotS in Minneapolis dwere avoided

Ethel, the ACAB crowd believes there is no such thing as a good cop. They view cops in the same light as someone you and I views pedos.

[Uiiop]

Yes all those riotS in Minneapolis dwere avoided

Ethel, the ACAB crowd believes there is no such thing as a good cop. They view cops in the same light as someone you and I views pedos.

I didn’t know that there were pedos who were only complicit in a system that hurts kids rather than wanting too. /s

People can be pissed off at everyone in a shitty system without painting them all as the same.

[North Washington Republic]

Ethel, the ACAB crowd believes there is no such thing as a good cop. They view cops in the same light as someone you and I views pedos.

I didn’t know that there were pedos who were only complicit in a system that hurts kids rather than wanting too. /s

People can be pissed off at everyone in a shitty system without painting them all as the same.

I’m having a hard time making sense of this.