Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Katganistan]

You are aware the families lawsuit was settled for 27 million, right?

If this rumor is true, the settlement is too high in my view. George Floyd probably wasn't worth no $27 million. The settlement for a wrongful death is to make up for lost income or to ensure that the next of kin won't be bankrupt or negatively impacted in a financial sense, not just to become rich overnight. The settlement should be closer to $3 million at most or what life insurance companies might typically pay out for policies that can genuinely be cashed in.

Wow. Seriously.

[Katganistan]

I don't think he will. Because I'm a highly realistic person.

You have to admit, it would be really funny if biden randomly pardoned him.

That will, fortunately never happen.

[Galloism]

You have to admit, it would be really funny if biden randomly pardoned him.

That will, fortunately never happen.

For two reasons.

1) He wouldn't.
2) He can't.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You are aware the families lawsuit was settled for 27 million, right?

If this rumor is true, the settlement is too high in my view. George Floyd probably wasn't worth no $27 million.

You're right. He was a human being whose value couldn't have a price tag put on it, and im sure his family wouldn't take kindly to you suggesting he's worthless.

[Thermodolia]

That would be a highly inappropriate thing to do in a courtroom.

These charges are inappropriate, so disrespecting them would be an excellent fuck you to many people.

I’m pretty sure that public indecency is also a crime

[Thermodolia]

That will, fortunately never happen.

For two reasons.

1) He wouldn't.
2) He can't.

But it would be funny if he could.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

For two reasons.

1) He wouldn't.
2) He can't.

But it would be funny if he could.

You have an interesting idea of what constitutes "funny".

[Thermodolia]

But it would be funny if he could.

You have an interesting idea of what constitutes "funny".

Watching the Q crowd do a 180 on Biden and Chauvin would be most entertaining

[Heloin]

You have an interesting idea of what constitutes "funny".

Watching the Q crowd do a 180 on Biden and Chauvin would be most entertaining

They wouldn't. It'd be proof for them that Trump still controls America and they should work even harder to remove Biden.

[Thermodolia]

Watching the Q crowd do a 180 on Biden and Chauvin would be most entertaining

They wouldn't. It'd be proof for them that Trump still controls America and they should work even harder to remove Biden.

Well they’d definitely turn on Chauvin as some leftist plant

[Diarcesia]

Teachable moment for who exactly? I don't recall jumping down anyone's throat for echoing the Floyd family's post-verdict statement. I do apologize for my ignorance regarding the Eric Garner connection.

Lesson not learned, I see.

You told a black person they should listen to black people before weighing in on issues affecting minorities. Just because Floyd's family reacted to something in a certain way doesn't mean that they speak for the whole black community, or that their reaction is the one and only correct one.

The Floyd family's reaction is theirs. It's not right or wrong. It's not "what black people think." It's just their reaction. Kowani and others are well within their rights to have a different reaction.

This.

And I find generalizing what the Floyds' reaction to mean "this is what the black people as whole react" problematic. Put it another way, these kinds of thinking will easily lead to racist and inaccurate conclusions. What if a member of <insert culture here> chooses not to identify with their birth culture?

[Postauthoritarian America]

Lesson not learned, I see.

You told a black person they should listen to black people before weighing in on issues affecting minorities. Just because Floyd's family reacted to something in a certain way doesn't mean that they speak for the whole black community, or that their reaction is the one and only correct one.

The Floyd family's reaction is theirs. It's not right or wrong. It's not "what black people think." It's just their reaction. Kowani and others are well within their rights to have a different reaction.

This.

And I find generalizing what the Floyds' reaction to mean "this is what the black people as whole react" problematic. Put it another way, these kinds of thinking will easily lead to racist and inaccurate conclusions. What if a member of <insert culture here> chooses not to identify with their birth culture?

I admit I had a defensive response in draft, left it to simmer awhile and came back to see this. So here's what I'll do, in the spirit of what I was trying to advocate. I'll post the original passage and let anyone try to point out to me just how they interpreted it to mean I was:

a. telling anyone of any background how to think or feel
b. suggeting any way to think or feel was the only correct way for any individual or group
c. suggesting any individual or group's way to think or feel should be taken as representative of everyone else of that individual or group's background

Failing that perhaps we can all stipulate that since George Floyd's family didn't take issue with the Raider's Tweet the rest of us might could just let it slide, and move on.

...we should all exercise a prudent degree of caution when calling out third parties on the way they address issues affecting minorities. Follow the lead of the people who are most affected would be my advice. (See "Latinx," "BIPOC.")

[Esalia]

This.

And I find generalizing what the Floyds' reaction to mean "this is what the black people as whole react" problematic. Put it another way, these kinds of thinking will easily lead to racist and inaccurate conclusions. What if a member of <insert culture here> chooses not to identify with their birth culture?

I admit I had a defensive response in draft, left it to simmer awhile and came back to see this. So here's what I'll do, in the spirit of what I was trying to advocate. I'll post the original passage and let anyone try to point out to me just how they interpreted it to mean I was:

a. telling anyone of any background how to think or feel
b. suggeting any way to think or feel was the only correct way for any individual or group
c. suggesting any individual or group's way to think or feel should be taken as representative of everyone else of that individual or group's background

Failing that perhaps we can all stipulate that since George Floyd's family didn't take issue with the Raider's Tweet the rest of us might could just let it slide, and move on.

...we should all exercise a prudent degree of caution when calling out third parties on the way they address issues affecting minorities. Follow the lead of the people who are most affected would be my advice. (See "Latinx," "BIPOC.")

For the way I read it, implying that the people who took issue with the Raiders' tweet need to exercise caution with their criticisms implies that it was wrong for people (and, considering the reference to "latinx", "BIPOC", and "address issues affecting minorities", non-minorities in particular) to take issue with their tweet when the Floyd family is okay with it.

Which is why my criticism was generally "this isn't a learning moment like "latinx" and "BIPOC", people can still take issue with their tweet regardless of their background and how okay the Floyd family is with it". If I misinterpreted, I apologise.

Regardless, whilst I still find it pretty insensitive, that Floyd's family is fine with it is good.

[Comerciante]

Most of these left leaning people seem to not respect labor and the worker struggle as they should. Seems to me they just want free gibs, he who does not work shall not eat

Respect Labor?

American's are some of the most overworked people in the World. We practically worship labor for some reason. Laborers have been grossly underpaid for a while now considering inflation and yet productivity proceeds to climb, and some people fight tooth and nail to keep costs down.

What is this inanity?

[Fahran]

I think you need to compare the ethics of mainstream journalists to the likes of QAnon and Infowars.

I feel like comparing journos to the absolute dumpster fires that both QAnon and Infowars are to make them seem reasonable and good really demonstrates how far the bar has fallen on journalistic integrity and excellence. "You can trust me because I'm not a stark raving lunatic" is not a statement that inspires confidence. And let's not mince words. Alex Jones is a stark raving lunatic.

[Galloism]

I think you need to compare the ethics of mainstream journalists to the likes of QAnon and Infowars.

I feel like comparing journos to the absolute dumpster fires that both QAnon and Infowars are to make them seem reasonable and good really demonstrates how far the bar has fallen on journalistic integrity and excellence. "You can trust me because I'm not a stark raving lunatic" is not a statement that inspires confidence. And let's not mince words. Alex Jones is a stark raving lunatic.

This.

[Heloin]

They wouldn't. It'd be proof for them that Trump still controls America and they should work even harder to remove Biden.

Well they’d definitely turn on Chauvin as some leftist plant

Never underestimate the ability of a fascist cult to say use doublethink.

[Saiwania]

You're right. He was a human being whose value couldn't have a price tag put on it, and im sure his family wouldn't take kindly to you suggesting he's worthless.

It's going to rub me the wrong way if we find that half a year from now or so, a story comes out about them having a blast and really living it up, because someone in their family dying wound up being the best damn thing to ever happen to them. A $27 million windfall. Vastly more than is needed to be paid out.

[Fahran]

It's going to rub me the wrong way if we find that half a year from now or so, a story comes out about them having a blast and really living it up, because someone in their family dying wound up being the best damn thing to ever happen to them. A $27 million windfall. Vastly more than is needed to be paid out.

How long do they have to mourn before doing something to improve their lot in life precisely? Do you have similar apprehensions when corporations have to pay millions in damages because a product of theirs killed someone's family members?

[Saiwania]

Do you have similar apprehensions when corporations have to pay millions in damages because a product of theirs killed someone's family members?

Yes, because my understanding is that a big settlement is to pay for someone's medical costs, losses physical or intangible, or to give some compensation, but not necessarily just to enable someone or any group of people to become fabulously rich overnight. Its not intended to be like a sweepstakes or grand prize.

[Kowani]

Well they’d definitely turn on Chauvin as some leftist plant

Never underestimate the ability of a fascist cult to say use doublethink.

unironically, the hard-right side of the GOP is literally in 1984

Do you have similar apprehensions when corporations have to pay millions in damages because a product of theirs killed someone's family members?

Yes, because my understanding is that a big settlement is to pay for someone's medical costs, losses physical or intangible, or to give some compensation, but not necessarily just to enable someone or any group of people to become fabulously rich overnight. Its not intended to be like a sweepstakes or grand prize.

i think you fundamentally misunderstand the point of a settlement if your concern is "they might improve their stations in life"

[Saiwania]

i think you fundamentally misunderstand the point of a settlement if your concern is "they might improve their stations in life"

The corporations or local governments are getting ripped off if they pay out too much when making settlements. And in the case of a city government, its just going to raise the tax burden the next year. A few million should be sufficient for what the lifetime earnings of George Floyd would be most likely to be. I'd go no higher than $7 million.

[The Alma Mater]

i think you fundamentally misunderstand the point of a settlement if your concern is "they might improve their stations in life"

The corporations or local governments are getting ripped off if they pay out too much when making settlements. And in the case of a city government, its just going to raise the tax burden the next year.

Alternatively they could just lower the salary of cops. Give them some incentive to stop Chauvins in the future.

[Wallenburg]

The corporations or local governments are getting ripped off if they pay out too much when making settlements. And in the case of a city government, its just going to raise the tax burden the next year.

Alternatively they could just lower the salary of cops. Give them some incentive to stop Chauvins in the future.

Pay cuts don't result in better behavior, especially among people trained to commit violence.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I think you need to compare the ethics of mainstream journalists to the likes of QAnon and Infowars.

I feel like comparing journos to the absolute dumpster fires that both QAnon and Infowars are to make them seem reasonable and good really demonstrates how far the bar has fallen on journalistic integrity and excellence. "You can trust me because I'm not a stark raving lunatic" is not a statement that inspires confidence. And let's not mince words. Alex Jones is a stark raving lunatic.

Yet lots of people believe QAnon and Infowars precisely because of the mainstream news is fake narrative. We need to criticise the worst of where people get their news from, not throw out all news sources.