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Is Derek Chauvin Guilty?

Yes, he was completely responsible.
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I don’t know. I need more information first.
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No, Floyd had a heart attack.
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No, Floyd had a drug overdose.
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Other
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Postby Heloin » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:18 pm

Austreylia wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:I know, you really want Minneapolis to burn to “own da libs”

Nope, that's not it.

Whenever I condemn rioting, the hive mind immediately flies into action against me.

You said that you thought he was guilty but wanted to spite those who rioted. Then you back peddled after you realised that's the single worst opinion you could have on the matter.

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Postby Kilobugya » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:19 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kilobugya wrote:For once, justice is served!

Justice has been served before and will be served again. Given the general zeitgeist and recent reforms, we should expect some incremental improvements in the criminal justice system. That doesn't mean we can't still make a lot more, but that's here and there.


In the case of police officers abusing their power and killing (or mutilating, ...) citizen without being in self-defense situation, it's very very rare that justice is served. We can hope it'll become more frequent, but so far it has been the exception, not the rule.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:Then we keep pushing for change.

Absolutely. You should always strive to improve institutions where and when you can.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:19 pm

Austreylia wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Yeah, it is. You hate progressives cites and you want my city that I live in to burn for lulz.

Uh, nope. Thats not it.

You wanted him to be acquitted even if he was guilty just to spite people, hardly much better since it'd likely lead to the same outcome.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:20 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:GULITY ON ALL CHARGES!!! Thank God!

Too bad for the anarchists and white supremacists that wanted a non-guilty verdict and wanted our city to burn.

Justice for George Floyd achieved!

Yes, all those anarchists celebrating are clearly pretending.

You do know people have feelings outside ideology, right?


I see peaceful protesters celebrating.

For the record, I’m glad that George Floyd got justice.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:21 pm

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Hiram Land wrote:Let the birds see to his funeral.

Let's not be ghoulish, not the least because an outbreak of disease in confined prison quarters is tantamount to a cruel and unusual punishment and one not imposed by the system. It's sufficient that justice will be imposed and upheld.

It is a bit sickening to see people who otherwise nod along with anti-carceral critiques immediately jump to this sort of bloodthirsty baying for torture and misery when their political enemies are the ones on the business end of the law. Prison's bad enough already, I promise you don't have to wish for it to be even worse.
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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:21 pm

Well, that’s that. But it’s not over.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:21 pm

I really enjoyed the way his eyes were darting around the room as the verdicts were read out. Looking for an escape and seeing there was none. The knowledge that prison was his life now. His skin slowly getting redder and redder. Maybe he felt at least some of the terror that Floyd did as the life was crushed out of him.

I hope he did.

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Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:22 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:For the record, I’m glad that George Floyd got justice.

This is my biggest takeaway too.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby Senkaku » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:22 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Yes, all those anarchists celebrating are clearly pretending.

You do know people have feelings outside ideology, right?


I see peaceful protesters celebrating.

For the record, I’m glad that George Floyd got justice.

Not to worry, I'm sure a broken windshield later tonight somewhere in the US will soon have you back to your usual advocacy of the "fire and blood" school of crowd control.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:22 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Austreylia wrote:Uh, nope. Thats not it.

You wanted him to be acquitted even if he was guilty just to spite people, hardly much better since it'd likely lead to the same outcome.


Austreylia is the result when you mix nihilism and fascism.
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Postby Austreylia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:23 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:I really enjoyed the way his eyes were darting around the room as the verdicts were read out. Looking for an escape and seeing there was none. The knowledge that prison was his life now. His skin slowly getting redder and redder. Maybe he felt at least some of the terror that Floyd did as the life was crushed out of him.

I hope he did.

You should see the amount of people on twitter/reddit wishing prison rape on him.

I think that they think Officer Chauvin will be placed into general population.
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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:23 pm

Honestly, even considering he seemed rather calm for a man who’s life is effectively over at this point.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:24 pm

meanwhile, the right-wing disinfo sphere...
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:24 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:I really enjoyed the way his eyes were darting around the room as the verdicts were read out. Looking for an escape and seeing there was none. The knowledge that prison was his life now. His skin slowly getting redder and redder. Maybe he felt at least some of the terror that Floyd did as the life was crushed out of him.

I hope he did.

Anyone got a link? I need to see that.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:25 pm

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:25 pm

Kowani wrote:meanwhile, the right-wing disinfo sphere...
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If they want to riot, fucking let them.
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Postby Austreylia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:25 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Anyone got a link? I need to see that.

It didn't happen. They way that he put it was rather emotive.

He looked around the room a couple of times.
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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:25 pm

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Kowani wrote:meanwhile, the right-wing disinfo sphere...
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If they want to riot, fucking let them.


Says the misguided anarchist.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:26 pm

Kowani wrote:meanwhile, the right-wing disinfo sphere...
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Going to be drinking a ton of far-right tears tonight! And it’s 4/20!
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Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:26 pm

Senkaku wrote:It is a bit sickening to see people who otherwise nod along with anti-carceral critiques immediately jump to this sort of bloodthirsty baying for torture and misery when their political enemies are the ones on the business end of the law. Prison's bad enough already, I promise you don't have to wish for it to be even worse.

Mhm. Mind you, I don't have any particular desire to afford Chauvin special protection or treatment, even though that'll likely be necessary owing to his former profession, but the idea of leaving a bunch of people trapped like sardines with a rotting corpse out of hatred for the person who left the corpse behind is a bit much.
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- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Senkaku » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:26 pm

Kowani wrote:meanwhile, the right-wing disinfo sphere...

love to see right-wing channers having a normal one
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:26 pm

Dejado Atras wrote:Honestly, even considering he seemed rather calm for a man who’s life is effectively over at this point.

Well, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

Due to sentencing guidelines, he will probably get a 12 year sentence, max. Which is a long time, but it will leave you out on parole after 8. He isn't going away for life.

We have eight years to build a society in which people like Chauvin cannot do any harm anymore.
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:27 pm

Dejado Atras wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:If they want to riot, fucking let them.


Says the misguided anarchist.

:roll: Better the be an anarchist than a bootlicker for a corrupt government.
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