Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[San Lumen]

So when are you going to explain what makes this an improper verdict besides it hurting your feelings?

I already explained above.

UUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGG Austreylia! Why are you still going on about this?

When you are on video killing a guy, it's not that weird to get convicted of murder. There is no reason to think the verdict is illegitimate.

You're acting like he had GF lay down on the sidewalk, told him to say a prayer, and then shot him in the back of the head.

He didn't.

He restrained him because he was resisting arrest.

Lets not forgot you wanted Chauvin acquitted just to spite and anger people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

2. George Floyd was not resisting arrest.

I can't really agree with this point. Given how much he fought getting into the car it's very easy to make a case that he was absolutley resisting arrest, that just doesn't justify murdering him, but that doesn't make him a perfectly compliant saint either.

[Postauthoritarian America]

2. George Floyd was not resisting arrest.

I can't really agree with this point. Given how much he fought getting into the car it's very easy to make a case that he was absolutley resisting arrest, that just doesn't justify murdering him, but that doesn't make him a perfectly compliant saint either.

His hands were cuffed behind his back. He told the officers he was claustrophobic. He never tried to get away, he never even attempted to. He complied with everything Chauvin and the other murderers asked him to do except get in the back of the car that was sending him into a panic. "That is not resistance. That is compliance." A unanimous jury took less than a day to agree.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/pr ... orge-floyd

All right, folks. They get him out of the car. He is handcuffed. He is on his knees. He is not going anywhere. There are officers there, four officers. And what did George Floyd say once they pulled them out of the car? Thank you. Thank you. Now, a reasonable officer in the defendant’s position at that time should have recognized and understood he wasn’t trying to escape. He wasn’t trying to punch anyone, stab anyone, wasn’t trying to do that. The problem was the back of the car, just like George Floyd tried to explain over and over. The problem was the back of the car, so if you can give them the benefit of the doubt that they made a bad judgment call and shoved them in the back of the car at least when he came out in the struggle, it was over. He was on his knees. He was saying thank you. Done. No need.

It could have been over there, but what did they do? They took him from this position, handcuffed on his knees, they pushed him down onto the ground. Didn’t need to. Not at all. For what? He’s handcuffed. They pushed him down into what is, you now know from watching the evidence in this case, the prone recovery position, right? When he’s down on the ground, he’s initially pushed. He is literally in the prone recovery position on the side. That allows the chest to expand and provides room for the lungs to expand and take in air so they can breathe. That is a step that protects against the known danger of positional asphyxia, and they have in there. He’s right there, so then what happens after? They take him, incredibly, out of the recovery position and prone him on the ground.

For what? The prone position is a transitory position. It’s a position you use to secure someone in handcuffs. And then when you’re done with that, you immediately roll them on their side, right? That’s the position he was in. Proning him was completely unnecessary, and this is where the excessive force begins, right? This is where the nine minutes and 29 seconds start, because they didn’t just lay him prone. They did not do that. They stayed on top of him with a knee on the neck and a knee on the back, and the defendant’s weight on Mr. Floyd pushing down with Officer Kueng adding to the pressure, pushing down, holding his feet, Officer Lane, holding his feet for nine minutes and 29 seconds.

[Kowani]

The prosecutors are seeking a sentence more severe than the one in Minnesota state guidelines

Prosecutors are seeking a more severe sentence for Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis Police officer convicted of second-degree murder and other charges in the death of George Floyd. [...] On April 20, a jury found Chauvin guilty of second- and third- degree murder, as well as second-degree manslaughter. The jury took ten hours to deliberate.

Chauvin will only be sentenced for the most serious charge against him, second-degree murder, according to The Associated Press. The charge carries a maximum of 40 years in prison, though he would most likely be sentenced to 12.5 years.

However, in court documents on Friday, prosecutors did not specify the range of sentencing they seek, but said that five “aggravated factors” exist for Chauvin to get beyond the maximum penalty.

Prosecutors argued in the documents that Chauvin should receive a tougher sentencing because Floyd was a “vulnerable” victim, noting that he was pinned down as Floyd knelt on his neck. They added that Chauvin continued to kneel on Floyd’s neck despite Floyd saying he couldn’t breathe 27 times before coming unresponsive.

The brief also notes that Floyd was “treated with particular cruelty,” given that Chauvin continued to kneel on the man's neck despite pleas from Floyd and bystanders. Prosecutors further stated that Chauvin abused his position of authority, and noted that three other officers at the scene — J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane, and Tou Thao — “actively participated in the crime.” The brief also notes that the incident occurred “in the presence of multiple children.” Four of the witnesses at Chauvin’s trial were minors at the time of Floyd’s death, one of which was four years old.

But Chauvin’s attorneys argued in separate filings that Floyd’s death “occurred in the course of a very short time, involved no threats or taunting, such as putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.”

They also argued that Floyd was struggling with officers as they tried to arrest him, and that there was no reason for Chauvin to be aware that Floyd was vulnerable.

[Ifreann]

"Your honour, how could my client have known that humans die if they can't breathe?"

[Eahland]

But Chauvin’s attorneys argued in separate filings that Floyd’s death “occurred in the course of a very short time, involved no threats or taunting, such as putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.”

Whence comes this bizarre notion that putting a gun to someone's head and pulling the trigger is somehow worse or more murderous than slowly torturing them to death over the course of nine and a half minutes, despite the victim, bystanders, and first responders pleading for you to stop? I've seen it more than once now.

[Galloism]

But Chauvin’s attorneys argued in separate filings that Floyd’s death “occurred in the course of a very short time, involved no threats or taunting, such as putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.”

Whence comes this bizarre notion that putting a gun to someone's head and pulling the trigger is somehow worse or more murderous than slowly torturing them to death over the course of nine and a half minutes, despite the victim, bystanders, and first responders pleading for you to stop? I've seen it more than once now.

Dunno. There's this really odd notion in a lot of circles that "gun deaths" are worse than "beating deaths" and and "stabbing deaths" and so forth.

It doesn't really make any sense.

ESPECIALLY in this context.

[Ifreann]

But Chauvin’s attorneys argued in separate filings that Floyd’s death “occurred in the course of a very short time, involved no threats or taunting, such as putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.”

Whence comes this bizarre notion that putting a gun to someone's head and pulling the trigger is somehow worse or more murderous than slowly torturing them to death over the course of nine and a half minutes, despite the victim, bystanders, and first responders pleading for you to stop? I've seen it more than once now.

I think it's an attempt to defend Chauvin. Incredulously asking how it can be murder when Chauvin didn't even put his gun to Floyd's head and pull the trigger, as if it can't be murder to kill someone by crushing their windpipe.

[The Black Forrest]

2. George Floyd was not resisting arrest.

I can't really agree with this point. Given how much he fought getting into the car it's very easy to make a case that he was absolutley resisting arrest, that just doesn't justify murdering him, but that doesn't make him a perfectly compliant saint either.

Sure he may have started. He had stopped when he was face down and his arms handcuffed behind his back.

The cops got pissed and had to show who was in charge. Seems to be a theme these days. Be it floyd or a 70 year old 80 pound woman with dementia.

Our police force is a mess and the union has to be broken to fix it.

[The Black Forrest]

"Your honour, how could my client have known that humans die if they can't breathe?"

But he was talking!

*actually heard someone say that*

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's very easy to dislike the police when you're of the opinion that murdering people is bad

When you have to put up with police power tripping all the time, it's easy to not be fond of their presence.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Whence comes this bizarre notion that putting a gun to someone's head and pulling the trigger is somehow worse or more murderous than slowly torturing them to death over the course of nine and a half minutes, despite the victim, bystanders, and first responders pleading for you to stop? I've seen it more than once now.

Dunno. There's this really odd notion in a lot of circles that "gun deaths" are worse than "beating deaths" and and "stabbing deaths" and so forth.

It doesn't really make any sense.

ESPECIALLY in this context.

I come from an area with a lot of knife crime and that's way worse than guns. It's alot more personal when you have to walk up to someone and look them in the eye while you stab the shit out of them than if you shoot them.

[New Vedan]

Dunno. There's this really odd notion in a lot of circles that "gun deaths" are worse than "beating deaths" and and "stabbing deaths" and so forth.

It doesn't really make any sense.

ESPECIALLY in this context.

I come from an area with a lot of knife crime and that's way worse than guns. It's alot more personal when you have to walk up to someone and look them in the eye while you stab the shit out of them than if you shoot them.

Oh yea I'd much rather be shot than stabbed. That's one of the things I dont get about gun control. If you take away people guns then there just going to find other ways to kill each other, like knives. And the bad thing about knives is that not only do they kill you alot slower and more painfully, but they require force to do so. By banning guns the state takes away the ability of the weak to defend themselves from the strong. In a knife fight a 250 pound man is going to slice a 95 pound female into salami. But give the girl a gun and she might just live to see another day, without getting raped in the process.

[Juristonia]

Can we please not turn this in to yet another gun thread?

[Page]

Can we please not turn this in to yet another gun thread?

But gun threads are the best! Liberals says "ban guns" and conservatives say "gun rights" and leftist say "yeah, gun rights!" and conservatives say "alright bro fist bump!" and leftists say "people need guns for the purposes of expropriation and revolution" and conservatives get confused Pikachu face.

[Postauthoritarian America]

I can't really agree with this point. Given how much he fought getting into the car it's very easy to make a case that he was absolutley resisting arrest, that just doesn't justify murdering him, but that doesn't make him a perfectly compliant saint either.

Sure he may have started. He had stopped when he was face down and his arms handcuffed behind his back.

The cops got pissed and had to show who was in charge. Seems to be a theme these days. Be it floyd or a 70 year old 80 pound woman with dementia.

Our police force is a mess and the union has to be broken to fix it.

Read the prosecution's closing argument, the one a unanimous jury took only 10 hours of deliberations to agree with. George Floyd never started resisting arrest. He never resisted arrest, period. Nothing he did, nothing in his background, nothing remotely justified his murder by police.

[The Black Forrest]

Can we please not turn this in to yet another gun thread?

I would say close it. If something happens to the killer cop, start a new thread.

[Fartsniffage]

Can we please not turn this in to yet another gun thread?

I would say close it. If something happens to the killer cop, start a new thread.

We're still waiting for the sentence. I can't see this thread being closed.

[San Lumen]

I would say close it. If something happens to the killer cop, start a new thread.

We're still waiting for the sentence. I can't see this thread being closed.

That will be around the middle of June.

[Shofercia]

We're still waiting for the sentence. I can't see this thread being closed.

That will be around the middle of June.

Don't forget about the potential Maxine Waters Appeal...

[San Lumen]

That will be around the middle of June.

Don't forget about the potential Maxine Waters Appeal...

There is a almost zero chance it’s overturned on appeal.

[Vassenor]

That will be around the middle of June.

Don't forget about the potential Maxine Waters Appeal...

And what is the evidence that her words influenced the jury, beyond you desperately wanting it to be true?

[Phenix Springs]

Juror attends BLM rally and lies about it during selection process.

[Vassenor]

Juror attends BLM rally and lies about it during selection process.

>Daily Mail

[San Lumen]

Juror attends BLM rally and lies about it during selection process.

Try a better source then daily mail. It’s rated as a questionable source on media bias fact check.