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Is Derek Chauvin Guilty?

Yes, he was completely responsible.
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I don’t know. I need more information first.
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No, Floyd had a heart attack.
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No, Floyd had a drug overdose.
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Postby Austreylia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:09 pm

Insaanistan wrote:Killing someone intentionally is murder you know.

Thats not what Officer Chauvin did.
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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:09 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Austreylia wrote:Because he didn't commit murder.

Killing someone intentionally is murder you know.


First degree murder.

Second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life. Third degree is manslaughter, the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.

There’s no proof Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd be it premeditated or in the heat of the moment.

From what I heard third degree was the ultimate likelihood though you had second degree being tossed around.
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Postby Xmara » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:10 pm

Regardless of the verdict, this trial is gonna be remembered as the trial of the century.
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:10 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Killing someone intentionally is murder you know.

Thats not what Officer Chauvin did.


You can argue about intent, but he did kill someone.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Killing someone intentionally is murder you know.

Thats not what Officer Chauvin did.

It's exactly what he did.

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Postby Xmara » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Dejado Atras wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Killing someone intentionally is murder you know.


First degree murder.

Second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life. Third degree is manslaughter, the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.

There’s no proof Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd be it premeditated or in the heat of the moment.

Chauvin may have not intended to kill Floyd, but he still acted with reckless disregard for human life and that is still considered a crime.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Heloin wrote:
Austreylia wrote:Thats not what Officer Chauvin did.

It's exactly what he did.

Not exactly, but close enough (Killing someone intentionally is first degree murder. Chauvin committed second-degree murder).
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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:12 pm

Xmara wrote:
Dejado Atras wrote:
First degree murder.

Second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life. Third degree is manslaughter, the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.

There’s no proof Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd be it premeditated or in the heat of the moment.

Chauvin may have not intended to kill Floyd, but he still acted with reckless disregard for human life and that is still considered a crime.


I never said it was not. I just wish people would get their narratives and legal terminology straight.
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Postby Xmara » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:14 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's exactly what he did.

Not exactly, but close enough (Killing someone intentionally is first degree murder. Chauvin committed second-degree murder).

The charges levied against him are second degree murder, third degree murder, and second degree manslaughter. I personally think that third degree murder is what he should be convicted of. What he did fits Minnesota's definition of third degree murder.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:14 pm

Xmara wrote:Regardless of the verdict, this trial is gonna be remembered as the trial of the century.


Not really. We've had several trials this century alone that generated more publicity than this one.

Unless the outcome is so lopsided (causing a very very bad outcome), I don't see that as being the case.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:15 pm

Jury reached a verdict. I hope it’s to convict Chauvin.
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Postby Austreylia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:15 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Unless the outcome is so lopsided (causing a very very bad outcome), I don't see that as being the case.

There's going to be a very, very bad outcome regardless of what verdict is reached.

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Postby Heloin » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:16 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's exactly what he did.

Not exactly, but close enough (Killing someone intentionally is first degree murder. Chauvin committed second-degree murder).

Intentional killing is murder. Murder in the first degree needs to be premeditated.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:16 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Unless the outcome is so lopsided (causing a very very bad outcome), I don't see that as being the case.

There's going to be a very, very bad outcome regardless of what verdict is reached.

BLM and their "allies" will riot about literally anything.


I too remember when millions of people who protested over the summer all simultaneously rioted.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:16 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Jury reached a verdict. I hope it’s to convict Chauvin.

The speed at which they reached a verdict makes it seem like the jury considers it an open and shut case, and on balance of probabilities it's more likely that means they have found him guilty.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:16 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Unless the outcome is so lopsided (causing a very very bad outcome), I don't see that as being the case.

There's going to be a very, very bad outcome regardless of what verdict is reached.

BLM and their "allies" will riot about literally anything.


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Postby Xmara » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:17 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Xmara wrote:Regardless of the verdict, this trial is gonna be remembered as the trial of the century.


Not really. We've had several trials this century alone that generated more publicity than this one.

Unless the outcome is so lopsided (causing a very very bad outcome), I don't see that as being the case.

Seems this way to me. But maybe it's because this is the first one I've really payed attention to (outside of Trump's impeachment trials).
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:17 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Jury reached a verdict. I hope it’s to convict Chauvin.

The speed at which they reached a verdict makes it seem like the jury considers it an open and shut case, and on balance of probabilities it's more likely that means they have found him guilty.


Yeah. The speed in which concensus was reached tends to favor the prosecution.
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Postby South Americanastan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:17 pm

Heloin wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:Not exactly, but close enough (Killing someone intentionally is first degree murder. Chauvin committed second-degree murder).

Intentional killing is murder. Murder in the first degree needs to be premeditated.

Murder is also accidental killing with obvious disregard towards human life
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Major-Tom wrote:
Austreylia wrote:There's going to be a very, very bad outcome regardless of what verdict is reached.

BLM and their "allies" will riot about literally anything.


I too remember when millions of people who protested over the summer all simultaneously rioted.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:18 pm

I would like to point out that however this comes out, there's something to consider:

A jury of 6 white people, 4 black people, and 2 multi racial people, 5 of them men and 7 of them women, will decide the fate of Derek Chauvin. And they came to a unanimous decision in about a day.

This indicates that matters were clear to the jury that, whatever the result, this was the right one - regardless of the jurors race or sex.
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Austreylia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Unless the outcome is so lopsided (causing a very very bad outcome), I don't see that as being the case.

There's going to be a very, very bad outcome regardless of what verdict is reached.

BLM and their "allies" will riot about literally anything.


Yes, because rioting about wanting to stop police violence against minorities is "rioting about everything" :roll:

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Postby Xmara » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:19 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The speed at which they reached a verdict makes it seem like the jury considers it an open and shut case, and on balance of probabilities it's more likely that means they have found him guilty.


Yeah. The speed in which concensus was reached tends to favor the prosecution.

I don't see how they could possibly acquit him at this point.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:19 pm

Xmara wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yeah. The speed in which concensus was reached tends to favor the prosecution.

I don't see how they could possibly acquit him at this point.


Never say never but the quick verdict seems to indicate Chauvin is toast.
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