Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Shofercia]

Plot twist!

I mean he's still going for jail for Homicide, and most likely Murder Three, but it's a plot twist. More of a Riann Johnson plot twist than a classic Jaws movie plot twist, but it's there. Ok, it's probably not a plot twist after all.




Why? I get why you laughed, but why would his lawyer ask that? I'd expect that from an SNL parody with Dave Chappelle.

Dave Chappelle is not laughing.

I'm well aware and I'm not dissing Dave Chappelle or implying that he finds it funny. I'm pointing out that Dave Chapelle is quite excellent at SNL and that's it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc

I am dissing Chauvin's attorney for asking that rather idiotic question.

[Rusozak]

Chauvin is a grammar Nazi?

Plot twist!

I mean he's still going for jail for Homicide, and most likely Murder Three, but it's a plot twist. More of a Riann Johnson plot twist than a classic Jaws movie plot twist, but it's there. Ok, it's probably not a plot twist after all.

Yesterday, The defense was cross examing the training expert. I heard the snippet on the news.

Q. Do you teach knee on the neck
A. No
Q. But are their situations where a knee on the neck is appropriate?
A. well, yes.
Q. Like when trying to restrain a Suspect?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for additional needed police support?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for EMS
A. ... no, not that one.

I admit it, I laughed.

Why? I get why you laughed, but why would his lawyer ask that? I'd expect that from an SNL parody with Dave Chappelle.

Well, you can polish a turd... and the defense has a turd of a case. Maybe they're going for a "blame the system" approach? I don't know.

[Postauthoritarian America]

Dave Chappelle is not laughing.

I'm well aware and I'm not dissing Dave Chappelle or implying that he finds it funny. I'm pointing out that Dave Chapelle is quite excellent at SNL and that's it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc

I am dissing Chauvin's attorney for asking that rather idiotic question.

Dave Chappelle is quite excellent at describing what it's like to be a Black man in a white man's world, and making people laugh sometimes into the bargain. He's heir to the mantle of Richard Pryor, Dick Gregory, Moms Mabley and many more.

[Shofercia]

Plot twist!

I mean he's still going for jail for Homicide, and most likely Murder Three, but it's a plot twist. More of a Riann Johnson plot twist than a classic Jaws movie plot twist, but it's there. Ok, it's probably not a plot twist after all.




Why? I get why you laughed, but why would his lawyer ask that? I'd expect that from an SNL parody with Dave Chappelle.

Well, you can polish a turd... and the defense has a turd of a case. Maybe they're going for a "blame the system" approach? I don't know.

There were major holes in the system for allowing Chauvin to remain on the job despite 17 complaints against him. In most jobs you'd be fire after 3 complaints, but 17?! Can we study those holes in the system?

I'm well aware and I'm not dissing Dave Chappelle or implying that he finds it funny. I'm pointing out that Dave Chapelle is quite excellent at SNL and that's it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc

I am dissing Chauvin's attorney for asking that rather idiotic question.

Dave Chappelle is quite excellent at describing what it's like to be a Black man in a white man's world, and making people laugh sometimes into the bargain. He's heir to the mantle of Richard Pryor, Dick Gregory, Moms Mabley and many more.

What does that have to do with my point about SNL? Can't Dave Chapelle be good at SNL and also good at describing what it's like to be a black man? Seems like the answer's yes, yes he can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZXoErL2124

[Vorausen]

My honest opinion on what will happen (don't get triggered please, it's what I think will happen) is drumroll, please.......


Not guilty. That's right not guilty. If there is any reasonable doubt about a case and a charge, then it definitely shouldn't be a guilty verdict. You have to have absolutely no doubt that Derek Chauvin committed second-degree intentional murder. But there is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. Now would I like to see Derel Chauvin go to jail and get punished, absolutely! But remember you have to separate what you want and your emotions from law and justice. If they decide on guilty, the justice system has failed Derek Chauvin.

[Ifreann]

My honest opinion on what will happen (don't get triggered please, it's what I think will happen) is drumroll, please.......


Not guilty. That's right not guilty. If there is any reasonable doubt about a case and a charge, then it definitely shouldn't be a guilty verdict. You have to have absolutely no doubt that Derek Chauvin committed second-degree intentional murder. But there is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. Now would I like to see Derel Chauvin go to jail and get punished, absolutely! But remember you have to separate what you want and your emotions from law and justice. If they decide on guilty, the justice system has failed Derek Chauvin.

What is this reasonable doubt you speak of?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

As a white supremacist, my opinion is somewhat biased, but I believe that he is not guilty. There was a direct threat to the officer’s life from the scourge of (race slur that I can use because I’m half-black), the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

[Vorausen]

My honest opinion on what will happen (don't get triggered please, it's what I think will happen) is drumroll, please.......


Not guilty. That's right not guilty. If there is any reasonable doubt about a case and a charge, then it definitely shouldn't be a guilty verdict. You have to have absolutely no doubt that Derek Chauvin committed second-degree intentional murder. But there is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. Now would I like to see Derel Chauvin go to jail and get punished, absolutely! But remember you have to separate what you want and your emotions from law and justice. If they decide on guilty, the justice system has failed Derek Chauvin.

What is this reasonable doubt you speak of?

Well for one thing while it is untrue that George Floyd died from a drug overdose, it was a huge and contributing factor to his death, although it was not the underlying cause. It makes you wonder that if George Floyd did not have drugs in his bloodstream, would he be still alive today?

THat already is casting just a little itty bit of doubt, which can throw the whole case out the window.

Now the civil trial was different, I'm petty sure Floyd's family sued the Minneapolis Police department for a couple million I think.

Ultimately the police department failed Derek Chauvin, and Derek failed Floyd.

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TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

As a white supremacist, my opinion is somewhat biased, but I believe that he is not guilty. There was a direct threat to the officer’s life from the scourge of (race slur that I can use because I’m half-black), the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

^^^

What most Blue Lives Matter people would sound like if they sustained damage to the part of their brain that does euphemisms and dog whistles.

[Vorausen]

TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

As a white supremacist, my opinion is somewhat biased, but I believe that he is not guilty. There was a direct threat to the officer’s life from the scourge of (race slur that I can use because I’m half-black), the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

No one deserves to die period. If we would go by that logic, the human race would practically no longer exist.

[Picairn]

TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

Good to know that you subscribe to a racist ideology and have already made up your mind with predetermined bullshit against evidence to the contrary.

As a white supremacist, my opinion is somewhat biased, but I believe that he is not guilty. There was a direct threat to the officer’s life from the scourge of (race slur that I can use because I’m half-black),

Someone being knelt on the neck for 8 minutes ain't a threat. I'm Asian but I would never use the word "Ching Chong" towards the Chinese people or any other Asian people, because racial slurs are nasty.

the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

You are literally lying against the autopsy report. Why are you lying?

[Ifreann]

What is this reasonable doubt you speak of?

Well for one thing while it is untrue that George Floyd died from a drug overdose, it was a huge and contributing factor to his death, although it was not the underlying cause. It makes you wonder that if George Floyd did not have drugs in his bloodstream, would he be still alive today?

THat already is casting just a little itty bit of doubt, which can throw the whole case out the window.

No, not really, as Floyd having taken drugs is irrelevant. Being unable to breathe is equally fatal whether one is high or not.

Now the civil trial was different, I'm petty sure Floyd's family sued the Minneapolis Police department for a couple million I think.

Ultimately the police department failed Derek Chauvin, and Derek failed Floyd.

Chauvin killed Floyd is broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses and on camera.

[Ethel mermania]

My honest opinion on what will happen (don't get triggered please, it's what I think will happen) is drumroll, please.......


Not guilty. That's right not guilty. If there is any reasonable doubt about a case and a charge, then it definitely shouldn't be a guilty verdict. You have to have absolutely no doubt that Derek Chauvin committed second-degree intentional murder. But there is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. Now would I like to see Derel Chauvin go to jail and get punished, absolutely! But remember you have to separate what you want and your emotions from law and justice. If they decide on guilty, the justice system has failed Derek Chauvin.

There are other charges against Chauvin. I dont disagree he may not be convicted on the murder 2 charge. I would be very surprised if he doesn't get convicted on murder 3, or the manslaughter charges.

[Ethel mermania]

Chauvin is a grammar Nazi?

Plot twist!

I mean he's still going for jail for Homicide, and most likely Murder Three, but it's a plot twist. More of a Riann Johnson plot twist than a classic Jaws movie plot twist, but it's there. Ok, it's probably not a plot twist after all.

Yesterday, The defense was cross examing the training expert. I heard the snippet on the news.

Q. Do you teach knee on the neck
A. No
Q. But are their situations where a knee on the neck is appropriate?
A. well, yes.
Q. Like when trying to restrain a Suspect?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for additional needed police support?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for EMS
A. ... no, not that one.

I admit it, I laughed.

Why? I get why you laughed, but why would his lawyer ask that? I'd expect that from an SNL parody with Dave Chappelle.

Try to trip up the witness. What I can't convey in print was the flow of the questions, they were very quick and casual, the witness started to answer, paused and then said "no"

[Vorausen]

Well for one thing while it is untrue that George Floyd died from a drug overdose, it was a huge and contributing factor to his death, although it was not the underlying cause. It makes you wonder that if George Floyd did not have drugs in his bloodstream, would he be still alive today?

THat already is casting just a little itty bit of doubt, which can throw the whole case out the window.

No, not really, as Floyd having taken drugs is irrelevant. Being unable to breathe is equally fatal whether one is high or not.

Now the civil trial was different, I'm petty sure Floyd's family sued the Minneapolis Police department for a couple million I think.

Ultimately the police department failed Derek Chauvin, and Derek failed Floyd.

Chauvin killed Floyd is broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses and on camera.

When I say the police department failed Derek I'm not saying in the sense that Derek is an innocent man. I'm saying that the police department has a big role to play as well. In fact according to Buzzfeed: "Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis police officer who was arrested and charged with third-degree murder Friday after he was caught on video using a knee chokehold on George Floyd, had 17 complaints against him over nearly 20 years of his service, all but one of which ended without disciplinary action"

And no action on behalf of the Minneapolis police deparftment? You gotta admit there's something wrong with that.

[Ifreann]

No, not really, as Floyd having taken drugs is irrelevant. Being unable to breathe is equally fatal whether one is high or not.


Chauvin killed Floyd is broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses and on camera.

When I say the police department failed Derek I'm not saying in the sense that Derek is an innocent man. I'm saying that the police department has a big role to play as well. In fact according to Buzzfeed: "Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis police officer who was arrested and charged with third-degree murder Friday after he was caught on video using a knee chokehold on George Floyd, had 17 complaints against him over nearly 20 years of his service, all but one of which ended without disciplinary action"

And no action on behalf of the Minneapolis police deparftment? You gotta admit there's something wrong with that.

Yes, Chauvin should probably have lost his badge and gun a long time ago.

[Dogmeat]

Plot twist!

I mean he's still going for jail for Homicide, and most likely Murder Three, but it's a plot twist. More of a Riann Johnson plot twist than a classic Jaws movie plot twist, but it's there. Ok, it's probably not a plot twist after all.




Why? I get why you laughed, but why would his lawyer ask that? I'd expect that from an SNL parody with Dave Chappelle.

Try to trip up the witness. What I can't convey in print was the flow of the questions, they were very quick and casual, the witness started to answer, paused and then said "no"

There's a thing they teach in sales, where if you can get someone to say "yes" about something, it's easier to get them to keep saying "yes." Even if they normally wouldn't.

Maybe that's what they were going for?

[Ethel mermania]

Try to trip up the witness. What I can't convey in print was the flow of the questions, they were very quick and casual, the witness started to answer, paused and then said "no"

There's a thing they teach in sales, where if you can get someone to say "yes" about something, it's easier to get them to keep saying "yes." Even if they normally wouldn't.

Maybe that's what they were going for?

That would be my guess.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

As a white supremacist, my opinion is somewhat biased, but I believe that he is not guilty. There was a direct threat to the officer’s life from the scourge of (race slur that I can use because I’m half-black), the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

No one deserves to die period. If we would go by that logic, the human race would practically no longer exist.

Yes they do. If a person is worthless to the society why should this parasite live?
People like this (race slur) only suck the social support out of the pockets of the decent hard-working taxpayers (and yes I am a working taxpayer if you want to know).

[Laka Strolistandiler]

TRIGGER WARNING: THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST (but I’m half black so don’t ban me pls)

Good to know that you subscribe to a racist ideology and have already made up your mind with predetermined bullshit against evidence to the contrary.

What’s wrong with being racist? People ain’t equal on race basis. I understand that this is no thread for such discussion, but I have to say that while I believe in partial biological reasons for the behavior of large groups of people, I also think that this can be largely attributed to socioeconomical factors, which brings me to my main belief: black culture is inherently inferior to white and some Asian cultures. Some exceptions, of course exist, but they solely prove the rule
At least I admit that I’m biased. Most liberals don’t.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

the junkie clearly died from overdose, not asphyxiation and anything else, he had an extensive crime record (personally I don’t think that people like him even deserve to live), he literally swallowed the drugs not to get busted, and the funniest thing is that he said that he can’t breathe while sitting in a squad car.
Yep, this thugs life sure does matter.

You are literally lying against the autopsy report. Why are you lying?

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepi ... 6-3-20.pdf
Here is the autopsy report. Where does it say that he died of asphyxiation?

[San Lumen]

No, not really, as Floyd having taken drugs is irrelevant. Being unable to breathe is equally fatal whether one is high or not.


Chauvin killed Floyd is broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses and on camera.

When I say the police department failed Derek I'm not saying in the sense that Derek is an innocent man. I'm saying that the police department has a big role to play as well. In fact according to Buzzfeed: "Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis police officer who was arrested and charged with third-degree murder Friday after he was caught on video using a knee chokehold on George Floyd, had 17 complaints against him over nearly 20 years of his service, all but one of which ended without disciplinary action"

And no action on behalf of the Minneapolis police deparftment? You gotta admit there's something wrong with that.

If Chauvin isn’t convicted it will prove almost every trial of a police officer is just for show and the system is inherently biased. Cops should be declared above the law and no more indictments of them for wrongdoing. If what Chauvin did isn’t grounds for jail time no wrongdoing by any officer is.

[Vorausen]

No one deserves to die period. If we would go by that logic, the human race would practically no longer exist.

Yes they do. If a person is worthless to the society why should this parasite live?
People like this (race slur) only suck the social support out of the pockets of the decent hard-working taxpayers (and yes I am a working taxpayer if you want to know).

(Even though you are a white supremacist I'm actually interested in what you have to say. Never met a white supremacist before, that's one thing off my bucket list)
Who is to determine the worth of somebody? And how can we accurately do this? And please don't say the justice system, which is clearly broken.

Good to know that you subscribe to a racist ideology and have already made up your mind with predetermined bullshit against evidence to the contrary.

What’s wrong with being racist? People ain’t equal on race basis. I understand that this is no thread for such discussion, but I have to say that while I believe in partial biological reasons for the behavior of large groups of people, I also think that this can be largely attributed to socioeconomical factors, which brings me to my main belief: black culture is inherently inferior to white culture.
At least I admit that I’m biased. Most liberals don’t.

So how exactly do you divide race? Do you say that all white people are the same race, or do you split up white people? And who do you feel about the division of races?

[San Lumen]

Good to know that you subscribe to a racist ideology and have already made up your mind with predetermined bullshit against evidence to the contrary.

What’s wrong with being racist? People ain’t equal on race basis. I understand that this is no thread for such discussion, but I have to say that while I believe in partial biological reasons for the behavior of large groups of people, I also think that this can be largely attributed to socioeconomical factors, which brings me to my main belief: black culture is inherently inferior to white and some Asian cultures. Some exceptions, of course exist, but they solely prove the rule
At least I admit that I’m biased. Most liberals don’t.

Because being white doesn’t make you special. Skin color is a result of the angle and intensity of the sun due to the curvature of the Earth.

How can you be half black and be a white supremacist?

Why don’t you make a thread on this?

[Kilobugya]

What’s wrong with being racist?

That there no way to scientifically define "races" within modern humans (yeah, Homo Sapiens and Homo Neanderthalensis could be scientifically considered different races of the same species, but modern humans are all Sapiens with a bit of Neanderthalensis) ? That it's a criminal ideology that only leads to massive suffering and oppression ?