Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Fartsniffage]

Well, the city paid the family before the man even had a trial, kind of muddys impartiality.

lol are you referring to taxes
basically, sauce needed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56459172

[Ifreann]

George Floyd wasn't murdered, he died of cardiac arrest because he had taken four times the lethal amount of fentanyl. I look forward to Derek Chauvin's acquittal but it's a shame he and the other officers had to go through all this when they did nothing wrong.

Thinking that a person who overdosed on fentanyl could be wide awake seconds before death is the drug equivalent to thinking you can get pregnant from kissing. Get educated about drugs!

If he had taken a lethal dose of fentanyl before the incident in the store, the incident wouldn't have happened because he would have been asleep and unconscious. Or do you think he took it in the parking lot right before the cops came? Except if he had taken even half of the amount that would cause a lethal overdose, he wouldn't have been yelling and struggling against the cops, he would have just been lying on the ground apathetically, because people high off their balls on opioids don't give a shit about anything in that moment.

If you take enough opioids to kill you, first you nod off, then you fall asleep, then you go unconscious, and then you die when your breath stops.

I don't even know how much of this ridiculous lie comes from true ignorance about drugs and how much comes from grasping for straws to excuse the police for committing murder. If Floyd had psilocybin in his system, would people be claiming he died of a shrooms overdose? Fuck, probably.

There were very high amounts of hydrogen dioxide in Floyd's blood, maybe that's what killed him.

[J o J]

I responded with other because the way he was restrained during the arrest is done frequently without the offender/arrestee being killed, but in this case the individual being arrested, Mr. Floyd, had medical complications that ultimately caused the restraint method to be lethal. Therefore, it was an unintentional death. The officers probably should have listened to him and restrained him in another way, considering they had numerical superiority in the situation and could hence afford to do so. The officer that caused him to die ought to be tried for manslaughter, not murder. He was responsible for him dying, but not on purpose, because Chauvin had no idea Floyd had medical complications that could cause him to die. Even though he kept saying he couldn't breathe, it is probably likely that any offender in that restraint would say something similar because it isn't designed to be comfortable, and as such the officers probably did not take notice.

[Ifreann]

I responded with other because the way he was restrained during the arrest is done frequently without the offender/arrestee being killed, but in this case the individual being arrested, Mr. Floyd, had medical complications that ultimately caused the restraint method to be lethal. Therefore, it was an unintentional death. The officers probably should have listened to him and restrained him in another way, considering they had numerical superiority in the situation and could hence afford to do so. The officer that caused him to die ought to be tried for manslaughter, not murder. He was responsible for him dying, but not on purpose, because Chauvin had no idea Floyd had medical complications that could cause him to die. Even though he kept saying he couldn't breathe, it is probably likely that any offender in that restraint would say something similar because it isn't designed to be comfortable, and as such the officers probably did not take notice.

Medical complications like needing to inhale oxygen in order to live.

[Kilobugya]

I responded with other because the way he was restrained during the arrest is done frequently without the offender/arrestee being killed, but in this case the individual being arrested, Mr. Floyd, had medical complications that ultimately caused the restraint method to be lethal. Therefore, it was an unintentional death. The officers probably should have listened to him and restrained him in another way, considering they had numerical superiority in the situation and could hence afford to do so. The officer that caused him to die ought to be tried for manslaughter, not murder. He was responsible for him dying, but not on purpose, because Chauvin had no idea Floyd had medical complications that could cause him to die. Even though he kept saying he couldn't breathe, it is probably likely that any offender in that restraint would say something similar because it isn't designed to be comfortable, and as such the officers probably did not take notice.

Initially, there was probably not intent to kill. But maintaining for 9 minutes the knee on the neck, first when George Floyd is saying he can't breathe, and then continuing when he stops talking and appears to have fall unconscious, when bystanders are pleading to at least check his pulse, ... is plain murder.

[Galloism]

To be fair - if we assume the cop knew Floyd had a history of violence, the fact that Floyd was a huge man, the claim that he was under influence of drugs at the time and the claim that he started yelling "I can't breathe" while he was still sitting in the car it is not surprising the cop used force AND thought Floyd was mocking him when his knee was in his neck.

But that is a boatload of assumptions.

That story about Floyd saying he couldn't breathe while he was in the car... If they thought he was making shit up, they should have just ignored it and let him yell his head off all the way to the station. If they thought he was really having trouble breathing, they should have taken him to a doctor. Even if it really happened, it still doesn't explain why Chauvin pinned him on the ground. It just makes no sense.

That bit about him yelling he couldn’t breathe while in the car was true. It’s on video. And he was being difficult and uncooperative. That’s also true.

It may explain why he didn’t take the complaint about not being able to breathe seriously, but it still doesn’t explain why the kneeling on him on the ground was done in the first place.

[Kannap]

Thinking that a person who overdosed on fentanyl could be wide awake seconds before death is the drug equivalent to thinking you can get pregnant from kissing. Get educated about drugs!

If he had taken a lethal dose of fentanyl before the incident in the store, the incident wouldn't have happened because he would have been asleep and unconscious. Or do you think he took it in the parking lot right before the cops came? Except if he had taken even half of the amount that would cause a lethal overdose, he wouldn't have been yelling and struggling against the cops, he would have just been lying on the ground apathetically, because people high off their balls on opioids don't give a shit about anything in that moment.

If you take enough opioids to kill you, first you nod off, then you fall asleep, then you go unconscious, and then you die when your breath stops.

I don't even know how much of this ridiculous lie comes from true ignorance about drugs and how much comes from grasping for straws to excuse the police for committing murder. If Floyd had psilocybin in his system, would people be claiming he died of a shrooms overdose? Fuck, probably.

There were very high amounts of hydrogen dioxide in Floyd's blood, maybe that's what killed him.

I think I detect sarcasm, but my understanding is hydrogen dioxide can be quite harmful. Did you mean dihydrogen monoxide?

[Cultural Posadism]

That story about Floyd saying he couldn't breathe while he was in the car... If they thought he was making shit up, they should have just ignored it and let him yell his head off all the way to the station. If they thought he was really having trouble breathing, they should have taken him to a doctor. Even if it really happened, it still doesn't explain why Chauvin pinned him on the ground. It just makes no sense.

That bit about him yelling he couldn’t breathe while in the car was true. It’s on video. And he was being difficult and uncooperative. That’s also true.

It may explain why he didn’t take the complaint about not being able to breathe seriously, but it still doesn’t explain why the kneeling on him on the ground was done in the first place.

Or why he knelt on him for over nine minutes.

[Ifreann]

There were very high amounts of hydrogen dioxide in Floyd's blood, maybe that's what killed him.

I think I detect sarcasm, but my understanding is hydrogen dioxide can be quite harmful. Did you mean dihydrogen monoxide?

*thinking*
Maybe.

May. Be.

[Kilobugya]

I think I detect sarcasm, but my understanding is hydrogen dioxide can be quite harmful. Did you mean dihydrogen monoxide?

Hydrogen dioxide ? HO2 ? What ?! Well, apparently (but I just learned about that right now) it does exist, and plays a role in biology ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroperoxyl so George Floyd likely had some in his cells. But it's highly unstable molecule that only exists in small amounts, mostly as an intermediate form in biological process.

So yeah I guess Ifreann was speaking of dihydrogen monoxide (H2O)... which actually can be very harmful, if you immerse your head into it for too long

[Risottia]

I think I detect sarcasm, but my understanding is hydrogen dioxide can be quite harmful. Did you mean dihydrogen monoxide?

Dihydrogen monoxide kills thousands and thousands of people every year.
It's also used by US forces to torture people.

[The Nihilistic view]

I responded with other because the way he was restrained during the arrest is done frequently without the offender/arrestee being killed, but in this case the individual being arrested, Mr. Floyd, had medical complications that ultimately caused the restraint method to be lethal. Therefore, it was an unintentional death. The officers probably should have listened to him and restrained him in another way, considering they had numerical superiority in the situation and could hence afford to do so. The officer that caused him to die ought to be tried for manslaughter, not murder. He was responsible for him dying, but not on purpose, because Chauvin had no idea Floyd had medical complications that could cause him to die. Even though he kept saying he couldn't breathe, it is probably likely that any offender in that restraint would say something similar because it isn't designed to be comfortable, and as such the officers probably did not take notice.

Medical complications like needing to inhale oxygen in order to live.

Either way the 3rd degree murder charge doesn't require intent. Just that you had no regard for life and committed an act eminently dangerous. It's not hard to see how kneeling for 9 minutes on somebody's neck is both eminently dangerous and shows an attitude without regard for the deceased's life.

[Ifreann]

Medical complications like needing to inhale oxygen in order to live.

Either way the 3rd degree murder charge doesn't require intent. Just that you had no regard for life and committed an act eminently dangerous. It's not hard to see how kneeling for 9 minutes on somebody's neck is both eminently dangerous and shows an attitude without regard for the deceased's life.

But how could Chauvin have known that stopping Floyd from breathing was dangerous? You know, apart from all of the people yelling it at him.

[The Nihilistic view]

Either way the 3rd degree murder charge doesn't require intent. Just that you had no regard for life and committed an act eminently dangerous. It's not hard to see how kneeling for 9 minutes on somebody's neck is both eminently dangerous and shows an attitude without regard for the deceased's life.

But how could Chauvin have known that stopping Floyd from breathing was dangerous? You know, apart from all of the people yelling it at him.

Also fortunately sarcasm aside I don't think a reasonable defence would be a denial of basic biological understanding. Failure to understand what was going on wouldn't make stop the act from being dangerous and would in the case of a police officer probably actually help convince people of the disregard on display during Floyd's death. There isn't a defence for ignorance of the consequences of dangerous actions.

[Greater Cesnica]

I'm gonna put all my money on Derek Chauvin's acquittal out of pessimism for the human race.

You would be correct in your assessment.

[Andsed]

Kneeling on someones neck for nine minutes while that person is already handcuffed and saying they cannot breathe is extremely irresponsible. Chauvin 100% committed third degree murder and needs to be held accountable.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm gonna put all my money on Derek Chauvin's acquittal out of pessimism for the human race.

You would be correct in your assessment.

Nah, I will take some of that action. He may not get convicted of murder, but there is no way he is walking.

[The Holy Therns]

You would be correct in your assessment.

Nah, I will take some of that action. He may not get convicted of murder, but there is no way he is walking.

There's a nonzero chance he is prancing.

[Ethel mermania]

Nah, I will take some of that action. He may not get convicted of murder, but there is no way he is walking.

There's a nonzero chance he is prancing.

For now.

As an American I can't get to Paddy power to see if they have odds on the trial or not. I would be curious if they are accepting bets and what odds they are giving.

[Fartsniffage]

That bit about him yelling he couldn’t breathe while in the car was true. It’s on video. And he was being difficult and uncooperative. That’s also true.

It may explain why he didn’t take the complaint about not being able to breathe seriously, but it still doesn’t explain why the kneeling on him on the ground was done in the first place.

Or why he knelt on him for over nine minutes.

He was taking a knee to show his support for BLM.

[The Black Forrest]

Or why he knelt on him for over nine minutes.

He was taking a knee to show his support for BLM.

Booooooo!

[The Black Forrest]

MMA Fighter was at the scene and testified.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/30/us/derek ... index.html

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

MMA Fighter was at the scene and testified.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/30/us/derek ... index.html

So did a 911 agent who, IIRC, saw what was happening through CCTV cams, realized what was happening, informed Chauvin that his handling was wrong and then called his superior because he didn't stop. By the time the captain intervened, it was already too late.

[Drew Durrnil]

MMA Fighter was at the scene and testified.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/30/us/derek ... index.html

So did a 911 agent who, IIRC, saw what was happening through CCTV cams, realized what was happening, informed Chauvin that his handling was wrong and then called his superior because he didn't stop. By the time the captain intervened, it was already too late.

So did a 9 year old.

[Katganistan]

Nice try, but no, he didn’t.

After reading some sources (Not the BBC)I will admit I am wrong about the pregnant woman,but he was in jail for some time for both theft and cocaine

And?

How does that justify kneeling on his neck until he is dead?

George Floyd was a convicted criminal so while I have no love or sympathy for him, what happened did happen. My primary concern in this trial is whether it will truly be a fair one with so much pressure to convict Mr. Chauvin. Whether Mr. Chauvin was innocent or not in reality, i fully expect that we'll see a guilty verdict regardless. People are crying for blood and unfortunately that means Mr. Chauvin probably won't be given a fair shake.

Explain in what possible circumstance a handcuffed man, lying face down in the street begging for his life while two other officers looked on and having his neck knelt on for nearly nine minutes until he is dead, is justified.

Other than in the, 'well obviously, he's black and a former criminal so he needed killing' sense.

I don't know what's arguable here. That officer had a knee. On his neck. That is CLEARLY an overstep of force, and is just wrong.

For nearly nine minutes. While he told them he couldn't breathe.

[edit]Nearly ten minutes. Jesus Christ.

Should we pardon someone for killing someone in a hit and run because the victim once got a ticket for drunk and disorderly?