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Postby Kubra » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:43 am

Orostan wrote:
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Postby Los-Altos » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:21 pm

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In Chinese, the surname comes first followed by the generation name and finally the given name. Xi is his surname. My own Chinese name follows this format.

Biden's approach is much more subtle in terms of anti-China rhetoric, yet equally if not more meaningful in substance, in stark contrast to the the Trump administration's much more forceful, bombastic, and inspirational anti-China rhetoric. In all fairness, Joe Biden seems to be doing a far better job of standing up to China than any of his predecessors, Republican or Democrat alike, although Donald Trump was the first president to really signal a major foreign policy shift of any sort, although much of this was guided by his much more informed and principled Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, rather than his own personal, ever-changing whims. Were it not for Pompeo and the coronavirus, Trump would never have adopted such a hard line in the first place. His Democratic successor is merely building on his China policy in a way that I happen to approve of. For this reason alone, my overall opinion of Joe Biden tends to be more neutral than negative.

Biden just needs to make sure the United States doesn't take its eye off of Taiwan while attempting to deal with the sudden buildup of Russian troops along the border with Ukraine, because the civilized democracies of the world can't take on both Russia and China simultaneously. Washington must remind Moscow that China has historical claims to parts of Russia and the Russians need to literally watch their backs or risk a repeat of the disastrous 1905 Russo-Japanese War, only with China instead of Japan as their enemy. Washington must also ensure that the MSM continues to keep one eye on Beijing at all times because the CCP will always take advantage of any gaps in international media coverage in order to advance its agenda in Occupied East Turkestan, Hong Kong, or Taiwan. The amoeba will simply continue to grow and grow unchecked.

Joe Biden must do what I called on his predecessor to do: formally recognize and establish official diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Deliver nukes to Taiwan and point them at Beijing, Shanghai, and other Chinese cities. Station U.S. forces in substantial numbers on and around the island to deter Chinese military aggression.

My god, are you insane? Stationing nukes in Taiwan would be an incredible act of aggression and a massive escalation. It’s like China putting nukes to aim at the USA in Mexico. It makes the probability of someone making a mistake a destroying the world much higher for no reason. Taiwan is a province of China and both the PRC and ROC (Taiwan) believe this anyways, recognizing Taiwan is pointless diplomatically if Taiwan says Taiwan isn’t a country.

Furthermore China and Russia have no reason to fight each other as China doesn’t even claim territory the Qing dynasty had. They have their problems but both have no reason to fight a war.


There are hardliners in China that would like to claim the former territories (Liaoyang province) the Ming acquired after the fall of the Yuan dynasty which was a Mongol dynasty which controlled China for a century. It included Sakhalin island. Read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchuria_under_Yuan_rule

And this - https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/da ... nwai.html/

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Postby Orostan » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:05 pm

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Orostan wrote:My god, are you insane? Stationing nukes in Taiwan would be an incredible act of aggression and a massive escalation. It’s like China putting nukes to aim at the USA in Mexico. It makes the probability of someone making a mistake a destroying the world much higher for no reason. Taiwan is a province of China and both the PRC and ROC (Taiwan) believe this anyways, recognizing Taiwan is pointless diplomatically if Taiwan says Taiwan isn’t a country.

Furthermore China and Russia have no reason to fight each other as China doesn’t even claim territory the Qing dynasty had. They have their problems but both have no reason to fight a war.


There are hardliners in China that would like to claim the former territories (Liaoyang province) the Ming acquired after the fall of the Yuan dynasty which was a Mongol dynasty which controlled China for a century. It included Sakhalin island. Read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchuria_under_Yuan_rule

And this - https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/da ... nwai.html/

These are social media users saying nonsense, why are they relevant? Also, what hardliners? Do they actually exist in the government? I doubt it!
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:16 pm

China would effectively be able to take Taiwan but the problem is that in the process China will lose everything outside of the range of their land based missiles.

Including their productive trade systems with the rest of the world.

That makes invading Taiwan more costly than it's worth, they get Taiwan but disrupt global trade possibly for months.
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:17 pm

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There are hardliners in China that would like to claim the former territories (Liaoyang province) the Ming acquired after the fall of the Yuan dynasty which was a Mongol dynasty which controlled China for a century. It included Sakhalin island. Read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchuria_under_Yuan_rule

And this - https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/da ... nwai.html/

These are social media users saying nonsense, why are they relevant? Also, what hardliners? Do they actually exist in the government? I doubt it!

I know it's not Russia, but I believe the PRC claims some areas of Vietnam and Tajikistan as well as the territorial waters off the Philippines, Vietnam, and Japan.
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The US government need not be afraid because the US is doing whatever it wants in the world, and no one can stop it.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:00 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The US government need not be afraid because the US is doing whatever it wants in the world, and no one can stop it.

Not really, there's actually quite a bit that the US can't actually do what it wants with the world without ending the world in the process.

And ending the world means the US loses too.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:24 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The US government need not be afraid because the US is doing whatever it wants in the world, and no one can stop it.


Xi is hell bend on annexing Taiwan. The United States basically did nothing when Putin annexed Crimea. So, he thinks he can get away with doing it in Taiwan. If the United States really wants to defend Taiwan’s sovereignty, they need to send some big ass battleships right now.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:39 pm

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Orostan wrote:These are social media users saying nonsense, why are they relevant? Also, what hardliners? Do they actually exist in the government? I doubt it!

I know it's not Russia, but I believe the PRC claims some areas of Vietnam and Tajikistan as well as the territorial waters off the Philippines, Vietnam, and Japan.

I know for a fact that the mainland border with Vietnam is resolved, and I think the Tajikistan issue might be as well. It's also worth noting that PRC claims to the Senkakus and the South China Sea are shared by the ROC, the former of which is pursed quite aggressively by the ROC.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:04 pm

The claims put forth by the ROC and PRC upon the South China Sea (and each other) are incredibly unreasonable and rightfully should be rejected, but there is also the fact that the US has territories as far as Guam on the other side of the Pacific.
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Stellar Colonies wrote:The claims put forth by the ROC and PRC upon the South China Sea (and each other) are incredibly unreasonable and rightfully should be rejected, but there is also the fact that the US has territories as far as Guam on the other side of the Pacific.


Since you mention Guam, territorial waters in the Pacific. US access to Guam is carried through several islands south of Hawaii, but critically unobstructed by any other national claims.

And China's recognized claims are really rather small. Comparable to Japan's and less than Indonesia's. If I were a Chinese general trying to decide how to sneak up on Guam, I would despair.

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Stellar Colonies wrote:The claims put forth by the ROC and PRC upon the South China Sea (and each other) are incredibly unreasonable and rightfully should be rejected, but there is also the fact that the US has territories as far as Guam on the other side of the Pacific.

As do the French and the British. However in this is just whataboutism now.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:36 am

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The US government need not be afraid because the US is doing whatever it wants in the world, and no one can stop it.


Xi is hell bend on annexing Taiwan. The United States basically did nothing when Putin annexed Crimea. So, he thinks he can get away with doing it in Taiwan. If the United States really wants to defend Taiwan’s sovereignty, they need to send some big ass battleships right now.
crimea and Taiwan are not comparable.
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WASHINGTON — China's massive arms buildup has raised doubts about America's ability to defend Taiwan if a war broke out, reflecting a shifting balance of power in the Pacific where American forces once dominated, U.S. officials and experts say.

In simulated combat in which China attempts to invade Taiwan, the results are sobering and the United States often loses, said David Ochmanek, a former senior Defense Department official who helps run war games for the Pentagon at the RAND Corp. think tank.

In tabletop exercises with America as the "blue team" facing off against a "red team" resembling China, Taiwan's air force is wiped out within minutes, U.S. air bases across the Pacific come under attack, and American warships and aircraft are held at bay by the long reach of China's vast missile arsenal, he said.

"Even when the blue teams in our simulations and war games intervened in a determined way, they don't always succeed in defeating the invasion," Ochmanek said.

A war over Taiwan remains a worst-case scenario that officials say is not imminent. But China's growing military prowess, coupled with its aggressive rhetoric, is turning Taiwan into a potential flashpoint between Beijing and Washington — and a test case for how the U.S. will confront China's superpower ambitions.

The outgoing head of the U.S. military's Indo-Pacific Command, Adm. Philip Davidson, warned senators this month that the U.S. is losing its military edge over China, and that Beijing could decide to try to seize control of Taiwan by force by 2027.

"We are accumulating risk that may embolden China to unilaterally change the status quo before our forces may be able to deliver an effective response," the admiral told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

"Taiwan is clearly one of their ambitions. ... And I think the threat is manifest during this decade, in fact, in the next six years."

U.S. intelligence analysts have warned for more than a decade that China's military strength was progressing at a dramatic pace, and that America's superiority was evaporating in the Pacific, Defense officials told NBC News. Only now has the message finally hit home, with simulated battles driving home the point.

"You bring in lieutenant colonels and commanders, and you subject them for three or four days to this war game. They get their asses kicked, and they have a visceral reaction to it," Ochmanek said. "You can see the learning happen."

Twenty years ago, China had no chance of successfully challenging the U.S. military in the Taiwan Strait, and Pentagon planners could count on near total air superiority and the ability to move aircraft carriers close to Taiwan's eastern coast.

But a more prosperous China has invested in new naval ships, warplanes, cyber and space weapons and a massive arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles designed to undercut the U.S. military's sea and air power.

"When you look at the numbers and ranges of systems that China deploys, it's pretty easy to deduce what their main target is because pretty much everything they build can hit Taiwan. And a lot of stuff they build really can only hit Taiwan," said David Shlapak, a senior defense researcher at the RAND Corp. think tank who also has worked on war-gaming models involving China.

Every generation of Chinese missiles has "longer and longer ranges on them," said one senior Defense official, and the missiles present a growing dilemma for the U.S. in how to penetrate the area around Taiwan, the official said.

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Even if China refrains from direct military action on Taiwan, U.S. officials and analysts worry that Beijing could eventually force Taipei to buckle through steady military and economic pressure that creates a perception that the U.S. can't guarantee the island's defense.

"At some point does China have enough military capability to push the Taiwanese into some sort of settlement, where you never get into a fight, but it's just that threat hanging over the head of Taiwan?" the Defense official said.

If China succeeded in subjugating democratic-ruled Taiwan, it would send shockwaves through America's network of alliances, and cause other democratic governments in Asia to doubt Washington's reliability and strength, officials and experts said.

China views the self-governed island as part of its own territory and has never renounced the possible use of force to bring it under Beijing's control. China's political leadership sees reunification with Taiwan as a core objective, and Beijing's actions and statements have grown more assertive in recent months.

When contacted by NBC News, China's embassy in Washington pointed to recent comments from foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian, who accused the United States of adopting a Cold War mentality and overstating tensions over Taiwan.

"By exploiting the Taiwan question to exaggerate China's military threat, some people in the United States are actually looking for excuses to justify the increase of the U.S. military expenditure, expansion of its military power" and interference in regional affairs, the spokesperson said.

"The United States should abandon the Cold War zero-sum mentality, view China's development and national defense development objectively and rationally, and do more things that are conducive to mutual trust between China and the United States and regional peace and stability," he said.

Starting in June, China started regularly flying fighter jets and bombers across the median line in the strait separating mainland China and Taiwan, and into Taiwan's Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). The flights have forced Taipei to scramble its fighter planes to intercept the Chinese aircraft.

The Chinese military flights are part of a campaign of pressure tactics designed to wear down Taiwan's small air force, the Defense official said, adding: "From Taiwan's perspective, there's a level of fatigue associated with this."

Taiwan has reported a series of aviation mishaps in recent months, raising questions about whether China's encroachment was having an impact on Taiwan's air crews. Two Taiwanese fighter planes crashed on March 22 in the third such incident in six months.

The U.S. Navy, meanwhile, has sent guided-missile destroyers through the Taiwan Strait three times since Biden took office, and the U.S. Air Force flew B-52 bombers to a base in Guam last month to "reinforce the rules-based international order in the Indo-Pacific region."

The United States is committed by law to providing Taiwan with the means to maintain its self-defense, and successive presidents have approved arms sales to the island, including F-16 fighter jets and Patriot missile batteries.

But Ochmanek and other analysts argue that Taiwan — and the United States — need lower-tech weapons to fend off a potential Chinese invasion, and that big-ticket items like fighter jets and Patriot missiles will prove useless in the event of a Chinese assault.

"They've invested a lot of money in Patriot missiles. Those Patriot missiles are going to die in the first few hours of the war," Ochmanek said. The same goes for fighter jets on the runway targeted by potential Chinese missile salvoes, he and other experts said.

Ochmanek argues Taiwan should invest in mines, drones and mobile anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles that could slow a Chinese amphibious and airborne invasion, providing precious time for U.S. help to arrive.

Although senior military officers mostly agree that Taiwan and the U.S. need to adapt to the risks posed by China, it’s not clear if Congress or the Pentagon would be ready to give up purchasing more fighter jets or other expensive hardware to free up money for alternative weapons.

"We are acutely aware of the threat posed by China's military build-up, as well as its aggressive behavior in Taiwan's vicinity," said a spokesperson for Taiwan's mission in Washington, the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States.

"These actions threaten peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, and are part of a broader pattern of Chinese attempts to intimidate countries in the Indo-Pacific region," it said.

"Taiwan has increased our defense spending commensurate with these challenges," the spokesperson said, and the island has plans to bolster investments into "asymmetric capabilities."

U.S. military officers in the Pacific say the Pentagon needs to shift more weapons and resources to Asia and transform its mindset to take on China. Without a change in U.S. weapons and tactics, the American military could find itself at a disadvantage in Taiwan and across the Pacific, potentially undermining the confidence of allies and partners that look to Washington as a counterweight to China, Defense officials said.

"If we make no changes in posture, then absolutely, you're going to find a future where we're simply outmatched," a second Defense official said.

"You can't just maintain the same static line of forces that we have currently assigned, particularly west of the International Date Line. That will not do the job."

The Pentagon declined to comment.


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...And there you have it, folks. The declining power of the US and the growing might in China. We are seeing history repeat itself, here. Empires are shifting and Taiwan is no doubt an ambition for itself to conquer. This would be an injury to US pride, being the world policeman which is why Taiwan is priority for us. None of us want war, but it seems to be more inevitable within the next few decades.

China will do whatever it can to win this competition whether through military or economic might as it already has been doing. They'll use politics & rhetoric to get their way in world affairs. Taiwan is a special case.

The only "good" that would come out of this if war does ensure somehow, is the Chinese Civil War would conclude as much like the Korean War, it technically still on a legal basis is still happening despite no fighting as both the ROC & PRC view one another as rebels against the state that must be suppressed.

I just hope and pray things turn for the best no matter what.


THe PLA would be crushed in any military attack on Taiwan.

1. The PLA navy is a joke. China doesn't have the wherewithal to introduce troops into Taiwan. Hence, you can't control a nation without boots on the ground.
2. China would be forever vilified by the geopolitic. Chinese trade would dry up to a trickle. Their economy would collapse in a fortnight.
3. China would invite the ire of powerful regional actors like Japan and South Korea. Combined with the US, this triad would crush China economically in an arms race.
4. China would suffer tremendous internal strife from citizens fed up with XI and his totalitarian policies. Xi government would collapse, while Taiwan stands strong.

The list goes on and one.

Although, Xi and the current CCP fancy themselves Hitlerlike Nazis. I wouldn't be surprised by any provocation from these autocratic sociopaths.
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The US government need not be afraid because the US is doing whatever it wants in the world, and no one can stop it.


Xi is hell bend on annexing Taiwan. The United States basically did nothing when Putin annexed Crimea. So, he thinks he can get away with doing it in Taiwan. If the United States really wants to defend Taiwan’s sovereignty, they need to send some big ass battleships right now.


Russia annex Crimea, attacked Ukraine and pushed the US out of the MIddle East in Syria on the Biden/Obama watch. ISIS spawned on Obama's watch. Obama was a disaster, Biden will be too. Indeed, over 90% of US combat deaths since the beginning of the 20th century have been on the Democrats watch. Democrat executives are too busy plundering US wealth to concern themselves with foreign policy.

The window for action against US national interests is while the Biden/Harris Administration is in power. I suspect the next administration will be smarter and more resolute.
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Divided Wastelands of America wrote:Biden is in the Pocket of Ping, so he won't do anything but a Token Gesture at best,


In Chinese, the surname comes first followed by the generation name and finally the given name. Xi is his surname. My own Chinese name follows this format.

Biden's approach is much more subtle in terms of anti-China rhetoric, yet equally if not more meaningful in substance, in stark contrast to the the Trump administration's much more forceful, bombastic, and inspirational anti-China rhetoric. In all fairness, Joe Biden seems to be doing a far better job of standing up to China than any of his predecessors, Republican or Democrat alike, although Donald Trump was the first president to really signal a major foreign policy shift of any sort, although much of this was guided by his much more informed and principled Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, rather than his own personal, ever-changing whims. Were it not for Pompeo and the coronavirus, Trump would never have adopted such a hard line in the first place. His Democratic successor is merely building on his China policy in a way that I happen to approve of. For this reason alone, my overall opinion of Joe Biden tends to be more neutral than negative.

Biden just needs to make sure the United States doesn't take its eye off of Taiwan while attempting to deal with the sudden buildup of Russian troops along the border with Ukraine, because the civilized democracies of the world can't take on both Russia and China simultaneously. Washington must remind Moscow that China has historical claims to parts of Russia and the Russians need to literally watch their backs or risk a repeat of the disastrous 1905 Russo-Japanese War, only with China instead of Japan as their enemy. Washington must also ensure that the MSM continues to keep one eye on Beijing at all times because the CCP will always take advantage of any gaps in international media coverage in order to advance its agenda in Occupied East Turkestan, Hong Kong, or Taiwan. The amoeba will simply continue to grow and grow unchecked.

Joe Biden must do what I called on his predecessor to do: formally recognize and establish official diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Deliver nukes to Taiwan and point them at Beijing, Shanghai, and other Chinese cities. Station U.S. forces in substantial numbers on and around the island to deter Chinese military aggression.


There is no need to place nukes on Taiwan.

Weaponizing Japan and South Korea with intermediate range nuke missiles will generate a multitude of soil trousers in the halls of power in Beijing and Pyongyang. China will stand down as the Soviet Union did during the tail end of the Cold War.

Autocrats are cowards when faced with their mortality from a resolute and righteous foe.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:12 pm

Peaceful and Voluntary Exchange wrote:4. China would suffer tremendous internal strife from citizens fed up with XI and his totalitarian policies. Xi government would collapse, while Taiwan stands strong.


In no world would this ever happen. People in China learned what happens when you oppose the party in '89. They'll run your ass over with armored vehicles then power wash your pulped remains off the road so things look fine in the morning.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1262148

...And there you have it, folks. The declining power of the US and the growing might in China. We are seeing history repeat itself, here. Empires are shifting and Taiwan is no doubt an ambition for itself to conquer. This would be an injury to US pride, being the world policeman which is why Taiwan is priority for us. None of us want war, but it seems to be more inevitable within the next few decades.

China will do whatever it can to win this competition whether through military or economic might as it already has been doing. They'll use politics & rhetoric to get their way in world affairs. Taiwan is a special case.

The only "good" that would come out of this if war does ensure somehow, is the Chinese Civil War would conclude as much like the Korean War, it technically still on a legal basis is still happening despite no fighting as both the ROC & PRC view one another as rebels against the state that must be suppressed.

I just hope and pray things turn for the best no matter what.


THe PLA would be crushed in any military attack on Taiwan.

1. The PLA navy is a joke. China doesn't have the wherewithal to introduce troops into Taiwan. Hence, you can't control a nation without boots on the ground.
2. China would be forever vilified by the geopolitic. Chinese trade would dry up to a trickle. Their economy would collapse in a fortnight.
3. China would invite the ire of powerful regional actors like Japan and South Korea. Combined with the US, this triad would crush China economically in an arms race.
4. China would suffer tremendous internal strife from citizens fed up with XI and his totalitarian policies. Xi government would collapse, while Taiwan stands strong.

The list goes on and one.

Although, Xi and the current CCP fancy themselves Hitlerlike Nazis. I wouldn't be surprised by any provocation from these autocratic sociopaths.

1. I don’t know that much about the PLA Navy but their newer missiles are no joke.

2. More countries need China more than China needs them. There will be no economic blockade of China - it’s an impossibility.

3. Japan and SK are American client states and even they are going to think twice about shutting themselves off from China, which is the world’s largest economy by many measurements now I believe.

4. Absolute fantasy. 95% of Chinese approve of their central government because it’s actually improved their lives with anti-poverty programs and raising their wages. Don’t believe me? Believe Harvard.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... isfaction/

Xi and the CPC are much less genocidal than the US, and much less like hitlerites. How many millions of Iraqis have they killed in the last three decades? How many Latin American coups did they back? How many millions died between the foundation of the PRC and today in Chinese backed dictatorships?

None! It’s the USA that has been massacring people all over the world often with the help of actual nazis since 1945. NATO was in large part run by Nazi generals. The west German state that was set up by the US was full of nazis. This is to just name a few examples.
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In Chinese, the surname comes first followed by the generation name and finally the given name. Xi is his surname. My own Chinese name follows this format.

Biden's approach is much more subtle in terms of anti-China rhetoric, yet equally if not more meaningful in substance, in stark contrast to the the Trump administration's much more forceful, bombastic, and inspirational anti-China rhetoric. In all fairness, Joe Biden seems to be doing a far better job of standing up to China than any of his predecessors, Republican or Democrat alike, although Donald Trump was the first president to really signal a major foreign policy shift of any sort, although much of this was guided by his much more informed and principled Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, rather than his own personal, ever-changing whims. Were it not for Pompeo and the coronavirus, Trump would never have adopted such a hard line in the first place. His Democratic successor is merely building on his China policy in a way that I happen to approve of. For this reason alone, my overall opinion of Joe Biden tends to be more neutral than negative.

Biden just needs to make sure the United States doesn't take its eye off of Taiwan while attempting to deal with the sudden buildup of Russian troops along the border with Ukraine, because the civilized democracies of the world can't take on both Russia and China simultaneously. Washington must remind Moscow that China has historical claims to parts of Russia and the Russians need to literally watch their backs or risk a repeat of the disastrous 1905 Russo-Japanese War, only with China instead of Japan as their enemy. Washington must also ensure that the MSM continues to keep one eye on Beijing at all times because the CCP will always take advantage of any gaps in international media coverage in order to advance its agenda in Occupied East Turkestan, Hong Kong, or Taiwan. The amoeba will simply continue to grow and grow unchecked.

Joe Biden must do what I called on his predecessor to do: formally recognize and establish official diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Deliver nukes to Taiwan and point them at Beijing, Shanghai, and other Chinese cities. Station U.S. forces in substantial numbers on and around the island to deter Chinese military aggression.


There is no need to place nukes on Taiwan.

Weaponizing Japan and South Korea with intermediate range nuke missiles will generate a multitude of soil trousers in the halls of power in Beijing and Pyongyang. China will stand down as the Soviet Union did during the tail end of the Cold War.

Autocrats are cowards when faced with their mortality from a resolute and righteous foe.

Absolute insanity. Japan and SK don’t want nukes - they have massive protests against US presence there already. It would also needless to say be a massive escalation - it’s the equivalent of China putting nukes in Canada and Mexico.
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Orostan wrote:Xi and the CPC are much less genocidal than the US, and much less like hitlerites. How many millions of Iraqis have they killed in the last three decades? How many Latin American coups did they back? How many millions died between the foundation of the PRC and today in Chinese backed dictatorships?

Dude, the PRC government is literally committing genocides against Tibetans, inner Mongolians, and Uyghurs as we speak.
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Postby Peaceful and Voluntary Exchange » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:29 pm

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Peaceful and Voluntary Exchange wrote:4. China would suffer tremendous internal strife from citizens fed up with XI and his totalitarian policies. Xi government would collapse, while Taiwan stands strong.


In no world would this ever happen. People in China learned what happens when you oppose the party in '89. They'll run your ass over with armored vehicles then power wash your pulped remains off the road so things look fine in the morning.


Take a long look at history.


Dictatorships, particularly isolated, oppressive, genocidal, and expansionist totalitarian regimes don't last long.

Most definitely true when they are faced with a united economic, political and diplomatic onslaught from the West.
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There is no need to place nukes on Taiwan.

Weaponizing Japan and South Korea with intermediate range nuke missiles will generate a multitude of soil trousers in the halls of power in Beijing and Pyongyang. China will stand down as the Soviet Union did during the tail end of the Cold War.

Autocrats are cowards when faced with their mortality from a resolute and righteous foe.

Absolute insanity. Japan and SK don’t want nukes - they have massive protests against US presence there already. It would also needless to say be a massive escalation - it’s the equivalent of China putting nukes in Canada and Mexico.


If/when China makes a substantive move against Taiwan, the entire premise of your post evaporates. Self preservation has a funny way of changing naive pacifism.
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Orostan wrote:Xi and the CPC are much less genocidal than the US, and much less like hitlerites. How many millions of Iraqis have they killed in the last three decades? How many Latin American coups did they back? How many millions died between the foundation of the PRC and today in Chinese backed dictatorships?

Dude, the PRC government is literally committing genocides against Tibetans, inner Mongolians, and Uyghurs as we speak.



Indeed, the moral compass of those on the left who draw a moral equivalency with the USA and China is irretrievably broken.

Not to mention the attacks on Hong Kong. Those on the left are ignorant to the fact that China has experienced conflict with virtually everyone of their neighbors, while the USA has the long undefended border in history and the other border is a magnet for people of color seeking refuge from corruption and violence.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:51 pm

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In no world would this ever happen. People in China learned what happens when you oppose the party in '89. They'll run your ass over with armored vehicles then power wash your pulped remains off the road so things look fine in the morning.


Take a long look at history.


Dictatorships, particularly isolated, oppressive, genocidal, and expansionist totalitarian regimes don't last long.

Most definitely true when they are faced with a united economic, political and diplomatic onslaught from the West.


Quite the opposite, they tend to last forever unless violently toppled by an outside force or they cave to reformist demands. The USSR for example likely could have limped on if hardliners took over and simply responded to calls for reform or independence with violence.
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