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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:59 am

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Islamic Holy Sites wrote:..I don't think so.


They are. The only strategic bombers the PLAAF has are the H-6 and they're just a license built version of the Soviet Tu-16. They're badly outdated in that field.

Ah, alright then. Thanks for explaining.
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:28 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.

“Saves” is an interesting choice of diction.

China will “save” us from the United States in the meet the new boss, the same as the old boss sense of “save”. I give it excellent odds that China will start terrorising the world just like the US currently does as soon as it becomes capable of doing so.

Hong Kong is a prelude.
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:..I don't think so.


They are. The only strategic bombers the PLAAF has are the H-6 and they're just a license built version of the Soviet Tu-16. They're badly outdated in that field.


Which, to be fair, have been upgraded over the years. And America's B-52 is just as old. But still, much of China's aerial arsenal is still 50+ year old license-built Soviet designs.
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:45 am

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Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Strategic bombers can carry cruise missiles or ballistic missiles with a range of more than 2000 km to carry out strike missions outside the defense zone. Why are they suicide squads?Fly overhead and bomb dropping is half a century out of date


China's bombers are half a century out of date.

B-52 is used from 1955.Even the B-2 has been in service for more than 20 years.This is the era of missiles. Bombers only need to be able to carry missiles of enough size
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:55 am

H-6 evolves from Cold War relic to Beijing’s hammer
Strangely enough, the Pentagon's assessment of the H-6 did not ignore it.Because it can carry ALBM, it doesn't need to leave China's border to attack Guam
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:59 am

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Senkaku wrote:all strategic bomber forces are suicide squads, next

Strategic bombers can carry cruise missiles or ballistic missiles with a range of more than 2000 km to carry out strike missions outside the defense zone. Why are they suicide squads?Fly overhead and bomb dropping is half a century out of date

Modern strategic bombers are nuclear strike craft first, and anything else second. If there's ever a nuclear war, most of them are toast, whether they get caught on the ground or shot down on the way to their targets or just run out of fuel searching for somewhere to land when they make it back and find their base's runway has recently had a 500-kiloton remodeling job.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:04 pm

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:H-6 evolves from Cold War relic to Beijing’s hammer
Strangely enough, the Pentagon's assessment of the H-6 did not ignore it.Because it can carry ALBM, it doesn't need to leave China's border to attack Guam

Yeah, the updated H-6 is pretty capable and should be able to be useful for a while yet. But if an H-6 (or a B-52) gets into contested airspace against even a near-peer-level adversary, well... the USAF has some experience with that over Hanoi, and it was not pretty.

As for ALBMs, well... if missiles are supplanting the bomber anyways, at a certain point someone's probably going to ask whether it's worth it to keep operating these big, expensive, polluting, old, dangerous machines, when you could just build a slightly better missile and stick it on the back of a truck or a train. :p
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:11 pm

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:If Taiwan fell to China, it will cast a big doubt to USA's military prowess. It's simple answer.

Historical background is heavily involved here, after all. US pledged to defend Taiwan (or co-defend Taiwan with Taiwanese government in this case). It will also cast doubt on US's ability to keep their...vow or promise, maybe?

I'm sure the US wouldn't mind breaking yet another promise to avoid a war with China.


We may never know whether they would or wouldn't mind.
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Postby Arident » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:20 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.

I can't tell if this is serious or not so i'll just say the US has on average less death camps than China.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:23 am

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A m e n r i a wrote:Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.

I can't tell if this is serious or not so i'll just say the US has on average less death camps than China.

Amenria lives (or maybe lived, idk it has been a long time) in China, and he finds that his experience being there overall is a positive one, so that should tell you something.

On the last part, agreed.

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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:23 am

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.

“Saves” is an interesting choice of diction.

China will “save” us from the United States in the meet the new boss, the same as the old boss sense of “save”. I give it excellent odds that China will start terrorising the world just like the US currently does as soon as it becomes capable of doing so.

Hong Kong is a prelude.

So more like:

The world: You saved us!

China: I wouldn't say saved, more like 'under new management'.
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Postby Arident » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:37 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:Amenria lives (or maybe lived, idk it has been a long time) in China, and he finds that his experience being there overall is a positive one, so that should tell you something.

Ah, that makes more sense.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:47 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Arident wrote:I can't tell if this is serious or not so i'll just say the US has on average less death camps than China.

Amenria lives (or maybe lived, idk it has been a long time) in China, and he finds that his experience being there overall is a positive one, so that should tell you something.

On the last part, agreed.


Average less death camps are still death camps.
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New Jacobland wrote:As an Australian I am worried about China. They've been threatening and sanctioning my country, and to be honest, I don't think the US can do much. The US needs to take action now, or it is never going to work.

The US won't do anything with Biden (CCP's bitch) in charge.
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Crockerland wrote:The US won't do anything with Biden (CCP's bitch) in charge.

Biden is not "CCP's bitch". Stop watching Fox News and OANN.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:44 pm

A m e n r i a wrote:
Jolthig wrote:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1262148

...And there you have it, folks. The declining power of the US and the growing might in China. We are seeing history repeat itself, here. Empires are shifting and Taiwan is no doubt an ambition for itself to conquer. This would be an injury to US pride, being the world policeman which is why Taiwan is priority for us. None of us want war, but it seems to be more inevitable within the next few decades.

China will do whatever it can to win this competition whether through military or economic might as it already has been doing. They'll use politics & rhetoric to get their way in world affairs. Taiwan is a special case.

The only "good" that would come out of this if war does ensure somehow, is the Chinese Civil War would conclude as much like the Korean War, it technically still on a legal basis is still happening despite no fighting as both the ROC & PRC view one another as rebels against the state that must be suppressed.

I just hope and pray things turn for the best no matter what.


Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.

This is like saying Nazi Germany should have more international.

It's interesting how you claim to be so devoted to Islam while actively supporting a country that's trying to outlaw it and leading a genocide against an Islamic ethnic group.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:28 pm

Crockerland wrote:
New Jacobland wrote:As an Australian I am worried about China. They've been threatening and sanctioning my country, and to be honest, I don't think the US can do much. The US needs to take action now, or it is never going to work.

The US won't do anything with Biden (CCP's bitch) in charge.


Are you jokeing? Biden is a puppet of the establishment dems, not the CCP. Trump was China's bitch via total failure to do anything to contain them.

It was all a show! A lie! A campaign lie to get you to vote for Trump. Everything afterwards was also just a show. The tarrfis Trump did failed to do anything. It was the Maginot Line of defending against China's cheep shit. China went around it by bulding most of the shit they sold in China then moved it to Vietnam for the last bit. Slap a made in Vietnam sticker on it and boom, tarrif bypassed.


Shitholes comment just made Africa go towards the CCP.
Google China spending in Africa.

The fact you are still here buying the bullshit proves that Trump was very good at acting like he was doing anything more then clowning around failing to stop China.

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Postby Strala » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:35 pm

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A m e n r i a wrote:
Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.

This is like saying Nazi Germany should have more international.

It's interesting how you claim to be so devoted to Islam while actively supporting a country that's trying to outlaw it and leading a genocide against an Islamic ethnic group.

I feel like it's less of an effort by China to outlaw Islam and more of an effort to forcibly sinicize the Uyghur people. If they truly want to outlaw Islam then they should also be prosecuting the Hui population in China.

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:20 pm

New haven america wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.

This is like saying Nazi Germany should have more international.

It's interesting how you claim to be so devoted to Islam while actively supporting a country that's trying to outlaw it and leading a genocide against an Islamic ethnic group.

It's interesting no Islamic country believes that these accusations are true.The United States and European countries seem to be using this as an excuse to launch an Islamic Jihad Against China without participation of Islamic countries
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Crockerland wrote:The US won't do anything with Biden (CCP's bitch) in charge.


Are you jokeing? Biden is a puppet of the establishment dems, not the CCP. Trump was China's bitch via total failure to do anything to contain them.

It was all a show! A lie! A campaign lie to get you to vote for Trump. Everything afterwards was also just a show. The tarrfis Trump did failed to do anything. It was the Maginot Line of defending against China's cheep shit. China went around it by bulding most of the shit they sold in China then moved it to Vietnam for the last bit. Slap a made in Vietnam sticker on it and boom, tarrif bypassed.


Shitholes comment just made Africa go towards the CCP.
Google China spending in Africa.

The fact you are still here buying the bullshit proves that Trump was very good at acting like he was doing anything more then clowning around failing to stop China.

International diplomacy just doesn’t revolve around someone privately saying somethings a shithole, in the real world (outside NS and Twitter) it’s inconsequential. Personal feelings are a none-factor in diplomacy, it’s actually insulting to the intelligence of African leaders that you think they’d subjugate themselves under Chinese neocolonialism because of one remark.

China’s growing influence in Africa was not suddenly spurred on by Trump, it’s been happening for the last 11 years. If you wanted to impulsively blame people than you might put it on the entire western world which assumed China would democratise with the free market and wouldn’t be a threat.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:27 am

Just leave that there - China warns of military action against Taiwan to block relations with US on eve of American visit

“We do not promise to abandon the use of force, and retain the option of taking all necessary measures. We are aimed at the interference of external forces and the very small number of separatists and their separatist activities. We are definitely not aimed at compatriots.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... lations-us

Same old bullshit about it being just a minority of people in Taiwan opposed to China.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:30 am

Bombadil wrote:Just leave that there - China warns of military action against Taiwan to block relations with US on eve of American visit

“We do not promise to abandon the use of force, and retain the option of taking all necessary measures. We are aimed at the interference of external forces and the very small number of separatists and their separatist activities. We are definitely not aimed at compatriots.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... lations-us

Same old bullshit about it being just a minority of people in Taiwan opposed to China.

my opinion re these acts of diplomatic barbarism these days.

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Postby Divided Wastelands of America » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:31 am

Biden is in the Pocket of Ping, so he won't do anything but a Token Gesture at best,
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:04 am

Bombadil wrote:Just leave that there - China warns of military action against Taiwan to block relations with US on eve of American visit

“We do not promise to abandon the use of force, and retain the option of taking all necessary measures. We are aimed at the interference of external forces and the very small number of separatists and their separatist activities. We are definitely not aimed at compatriots.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... lations-us

Same old bullshit about it being just a minority of people in Taiwan opposed to China.

Technically, both sides are still at war. Because the two sides have neither signed any peace agreement nor issued any armistice statement since 1946.The de facto cease-fire between the two sides will wait until 1979..
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