China's growing power casts doubt on US defense of Taiwan

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

I hope so. The Trump Administration (read: Mike Pompeo) drastically recalibrated the United States' China policy. In some ways, the legacy of Trumpism lives on through Joe Biden to his credit. Let's hope the current administration builds on that legacy and continues to impress me vis a vis foreign policy.

God I hope not.

Trump fucked up with China hard. Really hard. All show, no actual effects.

You do know that China has been bypassing the Trump Tariffs by building most of the things it is ships to us in China and then build the rest of it in places like Vietnam?

Also the "Shitholes" comment by Trump gave China loads of soft power with Africa. They have also been building inroads in the EU and the UK post Brexit.

Your ability to blame just about everything on Trump is actually amazing. All the way from hurricanes and cold weather to what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America.

Trump is the first American President since the PRC-USA rapprochement to actually do *something* about the growing power of China. Previous American presidents from Nixon to Obama have either been outright supportive of its growth or sitting on their hands permissive. This most definitely includes Obama, who represented a minor cautious turn towards the PRC growth in his second term.

However, this was a famous speech by H Clinton in 2009:
"some believe that China on the rise is, by definition, an adversary - to the contrary, we believe that the United States and China can benefit from and contribute to each other's successes. It is in our interests to work harder to build on areas of common concern and shared opportunities"

This does not represent the views of an administration which is cautious about the growth of the PRC, rather, quite the opposite. Moreover, Obama was the first American President to visit PRC in his first year of office, and before traditional allies like South Korea, Poland, Australia and even Japan. The enthusiasm of the Obama administration towards the PRC in 2009-2011 might be attempted to be erased from history by desperate Democrats trying to prove their credentials as anti-genocide activists, but facts remain, Obama Term One was the most pro-China POTUS that ever got elected.

You do know that China has been bypassing the Trump Tariffs by building most of the things it is ships to us in China and then build the rest of it in places like Vietnam?

That is rather the fault of Congress in limiting Trump's ability to deline tariffs and actively fighting against them, rather than Trump lacking vision. He spent more time fighting Congress & Democrats than he spent working against China's rise. Blaming him for not working to limit China's power is rather disingenuous. Heavily disingenuous. Extremely disingenuous. Because Obama faced no obstacles when trying to befriend PRC.

Also the "Shitholes" comment by Trump gave China loads of soft power with Africa.

Yeah, no. Countries aren't run by Derpy. They don't get hurt by words.

African countries are very well aware how bombastic and harassing PRC is with their loan-colonisation system, which preceded both Trump's comments & Trump presidency. China was already setting up their first foreign naval base, in Djibouti, before Trump made such comments. The base was made on the backs of unpaid usurious loans, basically land annexation in return for loan forgiveness. American banks would never give countries like these the loans that they asked for, China did, knowing they would never be paid back, and added caveats which suited their geopolitical policy.

They have also been building inroads in the EU and the UK post Brexit.

They haven't. I don't even know where you got that from. The UK resorted to even banning Huawei from participating in her national 5G network, a move which prompted Chinese sanctions on Britain and British goods. China hasn't made much inroads in the EU except beating the EU down into admitting there's no genocide in China & human rights are okay & Tibet is Chinese, in return for the EU nicely being allowed to export their shit to the PRC.

The exception is the Czech Republic, something I mentioned on these forums about 2/3 years ago, but that's unique. The V4 is one of the weirdest geopolitical groups with the Czechs favouring Beijing over some sort of mutually weird Confucian/Czech long-term ethos, Hungary closer to Moscow (Putin*) than Brussels, and Poland willingly sucking American cock, as long as there's a Republican in power.

The greatest threat to the Western world succumbing to the rise of China is not Chinese power or organisation, but Western liberal democracy.

[The Capitalist States of Avalon]

China may pose the single biggest threat to the world right now. Between slave wages in factories and the organ harvesting of muslims, all happening under a president who denies every part of it, China is looking like the new evil empire. I fear that one day the US military will not be able to keep up with the raw numbers that China has.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

China may pose the single biggest threat to the world right now. Between slave wages in factories and the organ harvesting of muslims, all happening under a president who denies every part of it, China is looking like the new evil empire. I fear that one day the US military will not be able to keep up with the raw numbers that China has.

I'd argue that right now, the United States is the single biggest threat to the world, what with its manipulation of international institutions, an inclination towards unilateral military interventions, and a tendency to ally with right-wing authoritarians against unfriendly democracies.

This will probably change, as China's wealth and influence grows. But right now...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

China may pose the single biggest threat to the world right now. Between slave wages in factories and the organ harvesting of muslims, all happening under a president who denies every part of it, China is looking like the new evil empire. I fear that one day the US military will not be able to keep up with the raw numbers that China has.

I'd argue that right now, the United States is the single biggest threat to the world, what with its manipulation of international institutions, an inclination towards unilateral military interventions, and a tendency to ally with right-wing authoritarians against unfriendly democracies.

This will probably change, as China's wealth and influence grows. But right now...

I get to shit on my government though. PRC'ians don't. Even when there's a fricken pandemic going on that Peking is badly mishandling. As a matter of fact PRC'ians are treated like subjects to their God-Emperor rather than citizens.

[-Ocelot-]

I'd argue that right now, the United States is the single biggest threat to the world, what with its manipulation of international institutions, an inclination towards unilateral military interventions, and a tendency to ally with right-wing authoritarians against unfriendly democracies.

This will probably change, as China's wealth and influence grows. But right now...

I get to shit on my government though. PRC'ians don't. Even when there's a fricken pandemic going on that Peking is badly mishandling. As a matter of fact PRC'ians are treated like subjects to their God-Emperor rather than citizens.

True. To add on this, I wonder what these "anti-establishment" kind of people who are extremely eager to shit on their western governments will do if China ever becomes the singular dominant force worldwide. Something tells me they'll suddenly lose all desire to be vocal. Maybe then they'll realize what they've been supporting all along.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I get to shit on my government though. PRC'ians don't. Even when there's a fricken pandemic going on that Peking is badly mishandling. As a matter of fact PRC'ians are treated like subjects to their God-Emperor rather than citizens.

I do not deny that the PRC treats her citizens far worse than the US treats hers.

But it does not logically follow that the US is less of a threat - that she poses less risk to the life, freedom, and prosperity of the rest of the world than the Chinese.

[Kowani]

Chinese aircraft fly through Taiwanese airspace for second time this week

[Senkaku]

Chinese aircraft fly through Taiwanese airspace for second time this week

Standard procedure at this point, I don’t know why it’s newsworthy

Text when there’s amphibious forces massing in Fujian I don’t need to know about every single H-6 flyby

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Chinese aircraft fly through Taiwanese airspace for second time this week

Standard procedure at this point, I don’t know why it’s newsworthy

Text when there’s amphibious forces massing in Fujian I don’t need to know about every single H-6 flyby

Speaking of which...
PLAAF's H-6 bomber force is a suicide squad
Discuss

[Senkaku]

Standard procedure at this point, I don’t know why it’s newsworthy

Text when there’s amphibious forces massing in Fujian I don’t need to know about every single H-6 flyby

Speaking of which...
PLAAF's H-6 bomber force is a suicide squad
Discuss

all strategic bomber forces are suicide squads, next

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

God I hope not.

Trump fucked up with China hard. Really hard. All show, no actual effects.

You do know that China has been bypassing the Trump Tariffs by building most of the things it is ships to us in China and then build the rest of it in places like Vietnam?

Also the "Shitholes" comment by Trump gave China loads of soft power with Africa. They have also been building inroads in the EU and the UK post Brexit.

Your ability to blame just about everything on Trump is actually amazing. All the way from hurricanes and cold weather to what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America.

Trump is the first American President since the PRC-USA rapprochement to actually do *something* about the growing power of China. Previous American presidents from Nixon to Obama have either been outright supportive of its growth or sitting on their hands permissive. This most definitely includes Obama, who represented a minor cautious turn towards the PRC growth in his second term.

However, this was a famous speech by H Clinton in 2009:
"some believe that China on the rise is, by definition, an adversary - to the contrary, we believe that the United States and China can benefit from and contribute to each other's successes. It is in our interests to work harder to build on areas of common concern and shared opportunities"

This does not represent the views of an administration which is cautious about the growth of the PRC, rather, quite the opposite. Moreover, Obama was the first American President to visit PRC in his first year of office, and before traditional allies like South Korea, Poland, Australia and even Japan. The enthusiasm of the Obama administration towards the PRC in 2009-2011 might be attempted to be erased from history by desperate Democrats trying to prove their credentials as anti-genocide activists, but facts remain, Obama Term One was the most pro-China POTUS that ever got elected.

You do know that China has been bypassing the Trump Tariffs by building most of the things it is ships to us in China and then build the rest of it in places like Vietnam?

That is rather the fault of Congress in limiting Trump's ability to deline tariffs and actively fighting against them, rather than Trump lacking vision. He spent more time fighting Congress & Democrats than he spent working against China's rise. Blaming him for not working to limit China's power is rather disingenuous. Heavily disingenuous. Extremely disingenuous. Because Obama faced no obstacles when trying to befriend PRC.

Also the "Shitholes" comment by Trump gave China loads of soft power with Africa.

Yeah, no. Countries aren't run by Derpy. They don't get hurt by words.

African countries are very well aware how bombastic and harassing PRC is with their loan-colonisation system, which preceded both Trump's comments & Trump presidency. China was already setting up their first foreign naval base, in Djibouti, before Trump made such comments. The base was made on the backs of unpaid usurious loans, basically land annexation in return for loan forgiveness. American banks would never give countries like these the loans that they asked for, China did, knowing they would never be paid back, and added caveats which suited their geopolitical policy.

They have also been building inroads in the EU and the UK post Brexit.

They haven't. I don't even know where you got that from. The UK resorted to even banning Huawei from participating in her national 5G network, a move which prompted Chinese sanctions on Britain and British goods. China hasn't made much inroads in the EU except beating the EU down into admitting there's no genocide in China & human rights are okay & Tibet is Chinese, in return for the EU nicely being allowed to export their shit to the PRC.

The exception is the Czech Republic, something I mentioned on these forums about 2/3 years ago, but that's unique. The V4 is one of the weirdest geopolitical groups with the Czechs favouring Beijing over some sort of mutually weird Confucian/Czech long-term ethos, Hungary closer to Moscow (Putin*) than Brussels, and Poland willingly sucking American cock, as long as there's a Republican in power.

The greatest threat to the Western world succumbing to the rise of China is not Chinese power or organisation, but Western liberal democracy.

There is alot of shit in your post but somethings stand out:

"Yeah, no. Countries aren't run by Derpy. They don't get hurt by words."

And yet, those same "shitholes" where bought up by China.


"Your ability to blame just about everything on Trump is actually amazing. All the way from hurricanes and cold weather to what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America."

Bruh, please comb thru my posts and point out to me when I blamed Trump for a hurricane.

I blamed Trump for his and his administrations response hurricanes.

Once for the shit way he ""helped"" Puerto Rico, second for seriously thinking we live in a Sharknado world where you can nuke a hurricane.

I never blamed Trump for a hurricane, I have no clue where you came to that concussion or what relevance it has to this thread but ok. Don't let things like the topic of discussion or actual things I said before (or in this case things I didn't say and most likely you made up until you can show me proof that I blamed Trump apparently for a hurricane and not his or his administrations response to a hurricane) get in your way of stanning for Trump and le epicly owning le libs xdxdxdxdxd.

I never once also talked about Burundi, again unless you can prove I did talk about it I have no idea why you brought up this random thing that I never talked about.

How Gitega is relevant at all to the topic is something I don't understand.

"That is rather the fault of Congress in limiting Trump's ability to deline tariffs and actively fighting against them,"

What. No really what? Congress didn't do anything to the tariffs he promised to do. China bypassed them on there own. Know why? Because they where a shitty idea from the start. For a person who says I blame everything on Trump you do seem to quickly shift blame to anyone or anything else when it's clearly the cause of Trumps shitty foreign policy. Might just be the MAGA way of projecting every fuck up on there part to something else. It's the only way to maintain the echo chambers.


There's a lot more wrong in your post, but I got shit to do. So here, have a full video essay that I sourced most of what I talk about here from. You probably aren't going to watch it beacuse it points out that the Trump clown show was a failure for the US and just sucked Winnie the Pooh's micro cock by being such a failure. It doesn't even talk about Trump until the last 5 minutes but everything China did in that video happened during Trump's terrible excuse for a presidency.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Your ability to blame just about everything on Trump is actually amazing. All the way from hurricanes and cold weather to what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America.

Trump is the first American President since the PRC-USA rapprochement to actually do *something* about the growing power of China. Previous American presidents from Nixon to Obama have either been outright supportive of its growth or sitting on their hands permissive. This most definitely includes Obama, who represented a minor cautious turn towards the PRC growth in his second term.

However, this was a famous speech by H Clinton in 2009:
"some believe that China on the rise is, by definition, an adversary - to the contrary, we believe that the United States and China can benefit from and contribute to each other's successes. It is in our interests to work harder to build on areas of common concern and shared opportunities"

This does not represent the views of an administration which is cautious about the growth of the PRC, rather, quite the opposite. Moreover, Obama was the first American President to visit PRC in his first year of office, and before traditional allies like South Korea, Poland, Australia and even Japan. The enthusiasm of the Obama administration towards the PRC in 2009-2011 might be attempted to be erased from history by desperate Democrats trying to prove their credentials as anti-genocide activists, but facts remain, Obama Term One was the most pro-China POTUS that ever got elected.



That is rather the fault of Congress in limiting Trump's ability to deline tariffs and actively fighting against them, rather than Trump lacking vision. He spent more time fighting Congress & Democrats than he spent working against China's rise. Blaming him for not working to limit China's power is rather disingenuous. Heavily disingenuous. Extremely disingenuous. Because Obama faced no obstacles when trying to befriend PRC.



Yeah, no. Countries aren't run by Derpy. They don't get hurt by words.

African countries are very well aware how bombastic and harassing PRC is with their loan-colonisation system, which preceded both Trump's comments & Trump presidency. China was already setting up their first foreign naval base, in Djibouti, before Trump made such comments. The base was made on the backs of unpaid usurious loans, basically land annexation in return for loan forgiveness. American banks would never give countries like these the loans that they asked for, China did, knowing they would never be paid back, and added caveats which suited their geopolitical policy.



They haven't. I don't even know where you got that from. The UK resorted to even banning Huawei from participating in her national 5G network, a move which prompted Chinese sanctions on Britain and British goods. China hasn't made much inroads in the EU except beating the EU down into admitting there's no genocide in China & human rights are okay & Tibet is Chinese, in return for the EU nicely being allowed to export their shit to the PRC.

The exception is the Czech Republic, something I mentioned on these forums about 2/3 years ago, but that's unique. The V4 is one of the weirdest geopolitical groups with the Czechs favouring Beijing over some sort of mutually weird Confucian/Czech long-term ethos, Hungary closer to Moscow (Putin*) than Brussels, and Poland willingly sucking American cock, as long as there's a Republican in power.

The greatest threat to the Western world succumbing to the rise of China is not Chinese power or organisation, but Western liberal democracy.

There is alot of shit in your post but somethings stand out:

"Yeah, no. Countries aren't run by Derpy. They don't get hurt by words."

And yet, those same "shitholes" where bought up by China.


"Your ability to blame just about everything on Trump is actually amazing. All the way from hurricanes and cold weather to what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America."

Bruh, please comb thru my posts and point out to me when I blamed Trump for a hurricane.

I blamed Trump for his and his administrations response hurricanes.

Once for the shit way he ""helped"" Puerto Rico, second for seriously thinking we live in a Sharknado world where you can nuke a hurricane.

I never blamed Trump for a hurricane, I have no clue where you came to that concussion or what relevance it has to this thread but ok. Don't let things like the topic of discussion or actual things I said before (or in this case things I didn't say and most likely you made up until you can show me proof that I blamed Trump apparently for a hurricane and not his or his administrations response to a hurricane) get in your way of stanning for Trump and le epicly owning le libs xdxdxdxdxd.

I never once also talked about Burundi, again unless you can prove I did talk about it I have no idea why you brought up this random thing that I never talked about.

How Gitega is relevant at all to the topic is something I don't understand.

"That is rather the fault of Congress in limiting Trump's ability to deline tariffs and actively fighting against them,"

What. No really what? Congress didn't do anything to the tariffs he promised to do. China bypassed them on there own. Know why? Because they where a shitty idea from the start. For a person who says I blame everything on Trump you do seem to quickly shift blame to anyone or anything else when it's clearly the cause of Trumps shitty foreign policy. Might just be the MAGA way of projecting every fuck up on there part to something else. It's the only way to maintain the echo chambers.


There's a lot more wrong in your post, but I got shit to do. So here, have a full video essay that I sourced most of what I talk about here from. You probably aren't going to watch it beacuse it points out that the Trump clown show was a failure for the US and just sucked Winnie the Pooh's micro cock by being such a failure. It doesn't even talk about Trump until the last 5 minutes but everything China did in that video happened during Trump's terrible excuse for a presidency.

I watched that video over a year ago.

Your inability to catch any irony in it and go off based on the title either means you didn't bother watching it (the likely case) or have no sense of nuance.

Going off by the fact that you are unable to link "shitholes comment by Trump gave China loads of soft power with Africa" together with "what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America" then I'm gonna go with option two.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

There is alot of shit in your post but somethings stand out:

"Yeah, no. Countries aren't run by Derpy. They don't get hurt by words."

And yet, those same "shitholes" where bought up by China.


"Your ability to blame just about everything on Trump is actually amazing. All the way from hurricanes and cold weather to what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America."

Bruh, please comb thru my posts and point out to me when I blamed Trump for a hurricane.

I blamed Trump for his and his administrations response hurricanes.

Once for the shit way he ""helped"" Puerto Rico, second for seriously thinking we live in a Sharknado world where you can nuke a hurricane.

I never blamed Trump for a hurricane, I have no clue where you came to that concussion or what relevance it has to this thread but ok. Don't let things like the topic of discussion or actual things I said before (or in this case things I didn't say and most likely you made up until you can show me proof that I blamed Trump apparently for a hurricane and not his or his administrations response to a hurricane) get in your way of stanning for Trump and le epicly owning le libs xdxdxdxdxd.

I never once also talked about Burundi, again unless you can prove I did talk about it I have no idea why you brought up this random thing that I never talked about.

How Gitega is relevant at all to the topic is something I don't understand.

"That is rather the fault of Congress in limiting Trump's ability to deline tariffs and actively fighting against them,"

What. No really what? Congress didn't do anything to the tariffs he promised to do. China bypassed them on there own. Know why? Because they where a shitty idea from the start. For a person who says I blame everything on Trump you do seem to quickly shift blame to anyone or anything else when it's clearly the cause of Trumps shitty foreign policy. Might just be the MAGA way of projecting every fuck up on there part to something else. It's the only way to maintain the echo chambers.


There's a lot more wrong in your post, but I got shit to do. So here, have a full video essay that I sourced most of what I talk about here from. You probably aren't going to watch it beacuse it points out that the Trump clown show was a failure for the US and just sucked Winnie the Pooh's micro cock by being such a failure. It doesn't even talk about Trump until the last 5 minutes but everything China did in that video happened during Trump's terrible excuse for a presidency.

I watched that video over a year ago.

Your inability to catch any irony in it and go off based on the title either means you didn't bother watching it (the likely case) or have no sense of nuance.

Going off by the fact that you are unable to link "shitholes comment by Trump gave China loads of soft power with Africa" together with "what Mzwani in the village outside of Gitega, Burundi, thinks about America" then I'm gonna go with option two.

"Its just ironic bro" is the equivalent of "It's just a prank bro". Or at the very least has that same energy of "It's just a joke bro".

There wasn't any irony in it, and yes I did watch all of it.

If you bothered to read the description, you would find that yeah no it was anything but ""ironic"".

I would like to underline one thing though. I despise the "orange man bad!" "Dump--form rule redacted--" political culture developing in the United States, in which even Trump's opposition just constantly meanders about pointless and meaningless things rather than actually criticize the president's stupid policies. With that in mind, videos I will be making about the election as 2020 approaches will be more focused on looking at and critiquing actual policies and not about pedantic nonsense. Because I genuinely believe that Trump has been a terrible president, but the reason why the U.S public complains about him has nothing to do with why he is terrible.

I hope you enjoy this video. It's long because I believe for people to understand the gravity of the situation one needs to have a basic understanding of Chinese history going back a few thousand years, from the many Dynasties of the Han, Qing and Yuan, to the century of Humiliation, to the brutal civil war between communists and the Kuomintang, to the founding of the Peoples Republic of China, to where we are now, which is China is a world power that actively challenges America's role in the world. The Belt and Road initiative that builds a new silk road, the Chinese Dream policy, and doctrine, the String of Pearls strategy, it's influence of Australian and European politics, and the way it created and opened markets in African nations such as Kenya are all discussed here in a historical context, that I hope will give you much insight. I hope you will enjoy it.

If you could kindly point out where in the video is ""ironic"" or anything that even vaguely relates to the possibility of it being ""ironic"" please share.

Saying that there was a link between whatever the fuck you where talking about and the CCP buying shit tones of land and infrastructure around Africa just doesn't make sense.

If it was just a few villages that would be fine. What the CCP did was a massive soft power grab.

This soft power grab wasn't just a everyday fuck up for containing China by Trump. This was gifted to Whinny the Pooh on a silver platter by Trump and Friends. All because of a massive fuck up by Trumps inability to think. Not think before speaking but just failure to think.

[James_xenoland]

Potentials for a surprise cheap shot aside.. china attacking and invading the nation of Taiwan would be just about nearly one of the few things they could do to that would lead to a popular 'gloves-off' united response from the US/west and other parts of Asia. It would mean the end of their games in the south asian sea, as well as any hope of being taken seriously on the world stage. For just a start. And the immediate costs in economic terms and near ruination of their economy would merely be the second act of many.

This is one of those types of issues that they don't want to "solve" (and can't) anyway.. It's merely a means to drum up nationalistic attitudes and further protect the CCP's elite as an ultimate cover to deflect/redirect unwanted internal pressures. It would be quite the catastrophic mistake for them force the issue, especially with force!

[Kubra]

Chinese aircraft fly through Taiwanese airspace for second time this week

Standard procedure at this point, I don’t know why it’s newsworthy

Text when there’s amphibious forces massing in Fujian I don’t need to know about every single H-6 flyby

routine airspace violations are just such a weird thing, they don't really do anything beyond showing off your schlong but folks spend thousands of dollars to do it anyways. It's not even good dickwaving, at least military parades put on a show.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

routine airspace violations are just such a weird thing, they don't really do anything beyond showing off your schlong but folks spend thousands of dollars to do it anyways. It's not even good dickwaving, at least military parades put on a show.

It’s putting pressure on Taiwan’s defences. It’s generally expected that countries respond to incursions in their sovereign territory - that’s why Denmark, for example, spends money to have special forces patrol uninhabited wasteland in northern Greenland.

If China keeps putting their aircraft into Taiwan’s airspace, Taiwan has to keep responding. This is, as you point out, very expensive, and China has a much larger defence budget to throw on this issue than Taiwan does.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

If Taiwan fell to China, it will cast a big doubt to USA's military prowess. It's simple answer.

Historical background is heavily involved here, after all. US pledged to defend Taiwan (or co-defend Taiwan with Taiwanese government in this case). It will also cast doubt on US's ability to keep their...vow or promise, maybe?

[Arident]

If Taiwan fell to China, it will cast a big doubt to USA's military prowess. It's simple answer.

Historical background is heavily involved here, after all. US pledged to defend Taiwan (or co-defend Taiwan with Taiwanese government in this case). It will also cast doubt on US's ability to keep their...vow or promise, maybe?

The US, politically speaking, can't afford to lose Taiwan. Both for the reason you stated as well as the moral aspect of having a free democracy fall to an authoritarian regime. But defending Taiwan might lead to direct war with China, and I feel pretty confident in saying such a thing would be catastrophic. It's a dilemma for sure.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

If Taiwan fell to China, it will cast a big doubt to USA's military prowess. It's simple answer.

Historical background is heavily involved here, after all. US pledged to defend Taiwan (or co-defend Taiwan with Taiwanese government in this case). It will also cast doubt on US's ability to keep their...vow or promise, maybe?

I'm sure the US wouldn't mind breaking yet another promise to avoid a war with China.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

routine airspace violations are just such a weird thing, they don't really do anything beyond showing off your schlong but folks spend thousands of dollars to do it anyways. It's not even good dickwaving, at least military parades put on a show.

It’s putting pressure on Taiwan’s defences. It’s generally expected that countries respond to incursions in their sovereign territory - that’s why Denmark, for example, spends money to have special forces patrol uninhabited wasteland in northern Greenland.

If China keeps putting their aircraft into Taiwan’s airspace, Taiwan has to keep responding. This is, as you point out, very expensive, and China has a much larger defence budget to throw on this issue than Taiwan does.

Air Defense Identification Zone,ADIZ.If it's airspace, it's guaranteed to make headlines in all the news media in the world.For example, in the past, Taiwan and U.S. warplanes entered PRC airspace and were directly shot down. But the ADIZ will only be tracked and monitored.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Speaking of which...
PLAAF's H-6 bomber force is a suicide squad
Discuss

all strategic bomber forces are suicide squads, next

Strategic bombers can carry cruise missiles or ballistic missiles with a range of more than 2000 km to carry out strike missions outside the defense zone. Why are they suicide squads?Fly overhead and bomb dropping is half a century out of date

[Rusozak]

all strategic bomber forces are suicide squads, next

Strategic bombers can carry cruise missiles or ballistic missiles with a range of more than 2000 km to carry out strike missions outside the defense zone. Why are they suicide squads?Fly overhead and bomb dropping is half a century out of date

China's bombers are half a century out of date.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Strategic bombers can carry cruise missiles or ballistic missiles with a range of more than 2000 km to carry out strike missions outside the defense zone. Why are they suicide squads?Fly overhead and bomb dropping is half a century out of date

China's bombers are half a century out of date.

..I don't think so.

[Washington Resistance Army]

China's bombers are half a century out of date.

..I don't think so.

They are. The only strategic bombers the PLAAF has are the H-6 and they're just a license built version of the Soviet Tu-16. They're badly outdated in that field.

[A m e n r i a]

WASHINGTON — China's massive arms buildup has raised doubts about America's ability to defend Taiwan if a war broke out, reflecting a shifting balance of power in the Pacific where American forces once dominated, U.S. officials and experts say.

In simulated combat in which China attempts to invade Taiwan, the results are sobering and the United States often loses, said David Ochmanek, a former senior Defense Department official who helps run war games for the Pentagon at the RAND Corp. think tank.

In tabletop exercises with America as the "blue team" facing off against a "red team" resembling China, Taiwan's air force is wiped out within minutes, U.S. air bases across the Pacific come under attack, and American warships and aircraft are held at bay by the long reach of China's vast missile arsenal, he said.

"Even when the blue teams in our simulations and war games intervened in a determined way, they don't always succeed in defeating the invasion," Ochmanek said.

A war over Taiwan remains a worst-case scenario that officials say is not imminent. But China's growing military prowess, coupled with its aggressive rhetoric, is turning Taiwan into a potential flashpoint between Beijing and Washington — and a test case for how the U.S. will confront China's superpower ambitions.

The outgoing head of the U.S. military's Indo-Pacific Command, Adm. Philip Davidson, warned senators this month that the U.S. is losing its military edge over China, and that Beijing could decide to try to seize control of Taiwan by force by 2027.

"We are accumulating risk that may embolden China to unilaterally change the status quo before our forces may be able to deliver an effective response," the admiral told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

"Taiwan is clearly one of their ambitions. ... And I think the threat is manifest during this decade, in fact, in the next six years."

U.S. intelligence analysts have warned for more than a decade that China's military strength was progressing at a dramatic pace, and that America's superiority was evaporating in the Pacific, Defense officials told NBC News. Only now has the message finally hit home, with simulated battles driving home the point.

"You bring in lieutenant colonels and commanders, and you subject them for three or four days to this war game. They get their asses kicked, and they have a visceral reaction to it," Ochmanek said. "You can see the learning happen."

Twenty years ago, China had no chance of successfully challenging the U.S. military in the Taiwan Strait, and Pentagon planners could count on near total air superiority and the ability to move aircraft carriers close to Taiwan's eastern coast.

But a more prosperous China has invested in new naval ships, warplanes, cyber and space weapons and a massive arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles designed to undercut the U.S. military's sea and air power.

"When you look at the numbers and ranges of systems that China deploys, it's pretty easy to deduce what their main target is because pretty much everything they build can hit Taiwan. And a lot of stuff they build really can only hit Taiwan," said David Shlapak, a senior defense researcher at the RAND Corp. think tank who also has worked on war-gaming models involving China.

Every generation of Chinese missiles has "longer and longer ranges on them," said one senior Defense official, and the missiles present a growing dilemma for the U.S. in how to penetrate the area around Taiwan, the official said.

Sowing doubts
Even if China refrains from direct military action on Taiwan, U.S. officials and analysts worry that Beijing could eventually force Taipei to buckle through steady military and economic pressure that creates a perception that the U.S. can't guarantee the island's defense.

"At some point does China have enough military capability to push the Taiwanese into some sort of settlement, where you never get into a fight, but it's just that threat hanging over the head of Taiwan?" the Defense official said.

If China succeeded in subjugating democratic-ruled Taiwan, it would send shockwaves through America's network of alliances, and cause other democratic governments in Asia to doubt Washington's reliability and strength, officials and experts said.

China views the self-governed island as part of its own territory and has never renounced the possible use of force to bring it under Beijing's control. China's political leadership sees reunification with Taiwan as a core objective, and Beijing's actions and statements have grown more assertive in recent months.

When contacted by NBC News, China's embassy in Washington pointed to recent comments from foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian, who accused the United States of adopting a Cold War mentality and overstating tensions over Taiwan.

"By exploiting the Taiwan question to exaggerate China's military threat, some people in the United States are actually looking for excuses to justify the increase of the U.S. military expenditure, expansion of its military power" and interference in regional affairs, the spokesperson said.

"The United States should abandon the Cold War zero-sum mentality, view China's development and national defense development objectively and rationally, and do more things that are conducive to mutual trust between China and the United States and regional peace and stability," he said.

Starting in June, China started regularly flying fighter jets and bombers across the median line in the strait separating mainland China and Taiwan, and into Taiwan's Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). The flights have forced Taipei to scramble its fighter planes to intercept the Chinese aircraft.

The Chinese military flights are part of a campaign of pressure tactics designed to wear down Taiwan's small air force, the Defense official said, adding: "From Taiwan's perspective, there's a level of fatigue associated with this."

Taiwan has reported a series of aviation mishaps in recent months, raising questions about whether China's encroachment was having an impact on Taiwan's air crews. Two Taiwanese fighter planes crashed on March 22 in the third such incident in six months.

The U.S. Navy, meanwhile, has sent guided-missile destroyers through the Taiwan Strait three times since Biden took office, and the U.S. Air Force flew B-52 bombers to a base in Guam last month to "reinforce the rules-based international order in the Indo-Pacific region."

The United States is committed by law to providing Taiwan with the means to maintain its self-defense, and successive presidents have approved arms sales to the island, including F-16 fighter jets and Patriot missile batteries.

But Ochmanek and other analysts argue that Taiwan — and the United States — need lower-tech weapons to fend off a potential Chinese invasion, and that big-ticket items like fighter jets and Patriot missiles will prove useless in the event of a Chinese assault.

"They've invested a lot of money in Patriot missiles. Those Patriot missiles are going to die in the first few hours of the war," Ochmanek said. The same goes for fighter jets on the runway targeted by potential Chinese missile salvoes, he and other experts said.

Ochmanek argues Taiwan should invest in mines, drones and mobile anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles that could slow a Chinese amphibious and airborne invasion, providing precious time for U.S. help to arrive.

Although senior military officers mostly agree that Taiwan and the U.S. need to adapt to the risks posed by China, it’s not clear if Congress or the Pentagon would be ready to give up purchasing more fighter jets or other expensive hardware to free up money for alternative weapons.

"We are acutely aware of the threat posed by China's military build-up, as well as its aggressive behavior in Taiwan's vicinity," said a spokesperson for Taiwan's mission in Washington, the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States.

"These actions threaten peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, and are part of a broader pattern of Chinese attempts to intimidate countries in the Indo-Pacific region," it said.

"Taiwan has increased our defense spending commensurate with these challenges," the spokesperson said, and the island has plans to bolster investments into "asymmetric capabilities."

U.S. military officers in the Pacific say the Pentagon needs to shift more weapons and resources to Asia and transform its mindset to take on China. Without a change in U.S. weapons and tactics, the American military could find itself at a disadvantage in Taiwan and across the Pacific, potentially undermining the confidence of allies and partners that look to Washington as a counterweight to China, Defense officials said.

"If we make no changes in posture, then absolutely, you're going to find a future where we're simply outmatched," a second Defense official said.

"You can't just maintain the same static line of forces that we have currently assigned, particularly west of the International Date Line. That will not do the job."

The Pentagon declined to comment.

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...And there you have it, folks. The declining power of the US and the growing might in China. We are seeing history repeat itself, here. Empires are shifting and Taiwan is no doubt an ambition for itself to conquer. This would be an injury to US pride, being the world policeman which is why Taiwan is priority for us. None of us want war, but it seems to be more inevitable within the next few decades.

China will do whatever it can to win this competition whether through military or economic might as it already has been doing. They'll use politics & rhetoric to get their way in world affairs. Taiwan is a special case.

The only "good" that would come out of this if war does ensure somehow, is the Chinese Civil War would conclude as much like the Korean War, it technically still on a legal basis is still happening despite no fighting as both the ROC & PRC view one another as rebels against the state that must be suppressed.

I just hope and pray things turn for the best no matter what.

Policemen are kind and helpful. America is the world's bully, terrorizing the civilized world for decades. It's high time someone saves the world from them.