UK school mobbed over image of Mohammed

[Jedi Council]

I don't see the need for religion classes to be propagating blasphemous material.

Blasphemous material can be of great value in academic situations.

[Sannyamathland]

I don't see the need for religion classes to be propagating blasphemous material.

What's blasphemous for you might not be blasphemous for a person belonging to a different religious community.

[Jedi Council]

I don't see the need for religion classes to be propagating blasphemous material.

What's blasphemous for you might not be blasphemous for a person belonging to a different religious community.

And almost anything could be labelled blasphemous, with enough effort.

[Odreria]

I don't see the need for religion classes to be propagating blasphemous material.

What's blasphemous for you might not be blasphemous for a person belonging to a different religious community.

I'm not muslim so pretty sure I've got that figured out.

[Roegerland]

There have been no riots or death threats but let's not pretend that it would be surprising if it were to devolve into these things

Actually there have been death threats and the teacher in question has been put into poilce protection.

[The Alma Mater]

I don't see the need for religion classes to be propagating blasphemous material.

Why ? I'd imagine they will also show anti-jew nazi propaganga or old roman stuff implying christians were cannibals. How religions are viewed and how they interact with society seems like a rather fundamental part of such a class.

[Magnecia]

Look I've had enough of this non sense.The thing in Quran which says that people shouldn't produce pictures of Muhammad is applicable for Muslims only.I am not a Muslim,I have freedom of speech,the n why the fuck can't I draw an image of Mohammad,what is wrong about doing so ? If I ask a Muslim to worship a cross,I will be called an extremist,but when a Muslim does basically the same thing,people here are arguing and even supporting their actions ! They shot and killed several reporters,they beheaded a man right in front of the others,yet we are supporting these radicals ! Why? And most importantly,how the hell could any educated human being support such actions,no matter what their religion is.Its sad.

[Vassenor]

There have been no riots or death threats but let's not pretend that it would be surprising if it were to devolve into these things

Actually there have been death threats and the teacher in question has been put into poilce protection.

If there have been death threats why is noone reporting on said death threats?

[Nazeroth]

Look I've had enough of this non sense.The thing in Quran which says that people shouldn't produce pictures of Muhammad is applicable for Muslims only.I am not a Muslim,I have freedom of speech,the n why the fuck can't I draw an image of Mohammad,what is wrong about doing so ? If I ask a Muslim to worship a cross,I will be called an extremist,but when a Muslim does basically the same thing,people here are arguing and even supporting their actions ! They shot and killed several reporters,they beheaded a man right in front of the others,yet we are supporting these radicals ! Why? And most importantly,how the hell could any educated human being support such actions,no matter what their religion is.Its sad.

The West get's what it deserves

you want to be weak? then others will take your place.

Their is a reason why people on this thread and the populations of these soft liberal euro nations won't DARE offend the Islamic community.

Fear

simple as that, Europeons simply display weakness and that weakness will be exploited, tale old as time. "shrug"

[Stellar Colonies]

Actually there have been death threats and the teacher in question has been put into poilce protection.

If there have been death threats why is noone reporting on said death threats?

U.K. School Assailed From 2 Directions Over Muhammad Cartoon (New York Times)

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The teacher who showed the cartoon to students this week has received death threats and is under police protection, officials said — echoes of the deadly attacks on the French magazine Charlie Hebdo and on a French teacher last year for having shown similar cartoons.

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Vague, and the only other reports I could find were in the Daily Mail and the Mirror, and I'm not touching the latter two with a ten foot pole.

[Vassenor]

If there have been death threats why is noone reporting on said death threats?

U.K. School Assailed From 2 Directions Over Muhammad Cartoon (New York Times)

...

The teacher who showed the cartoon to students this week has received death threats and is under police protection, officials said — echoes of the deadly attacks on the French magazine Charlie Hebdo and on a French teacher last year for having shown similar cartoons.

...

Vague, and the only other reports I could find were in the Daily Mail and the Mirror, and I'm not touching the latter two with a ten foot pole.

Yeah, none the articles I've read mention death threats or witness protection. Something is afoot here.

[Jedi Council]

There have been no riots or death threats but let's not pretend that it would be surprising if it were to devolve into these things

Actually there have been death threats and the teacher in question has been put into poilce protection.

Source? I've seen nothing like that being reported.

[Roegerland]

Actually there have been death threats and the teacher in question has been put into poilce protection.

Source? I've seen nothing like that being reported.

Just put a couple of key words into google, here's a list of reports containing them - the first four relate to this case in particular:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Death+t ... 20&bih=969

[A m e n r i a]

I mean, there shouldn't be pics of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It's wrong, there's all there is to it.

Death threats is too much though.

[Vassenor]

Source? I've seen nothing like that being reported.

Just put a couple of key words into google, here's a list of reports containing them - the first four relate to this case in particular:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Death+t ... 20&bih=969

Remember, the Daily Mail never lies.

[A m e n r i a]

Also, forgot to actually answer the OP's questions

Was the school right to display an image of Mohammed? Was it wrong to apologize? Was the angry mob that descended on a local grammar school over a cartoon out of line? Should the authorities deal with them appropriately?

Should we stand with Britain and uphold freedom of expression at all costs, or are the wishy-washy religious fee-fees of an extremely intolerant, fundamentalist minority way more important than the human rights and democratic civil liberties of the vast majority of people in the UK who don't share their totalitarian, theocratic vision? Should secularists and non-Muslims learn to stand up for their rights no matter where they are in the world?

1. No, as explained before.
2. No, same reason.
3 and 4. Death threats and violence is too much imo. A simple dialogue should suffice.
5.1. freedom of expression doesn't even come into the equation, this is a matter of cosmic law.
5.2. our "religious fee-fees" are cosmic law, which superseeds all human laws.
5.3. again, this has nothing to do with any rights. Just don't share any blasphemous content amd we'll be fine. No blasphemous content for Christians, Hindus, nobody. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I mean, there shouldn't be pics of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It's wrong, there's all there is to it.

It’s only wrong if you take your perspective on life and the universe from some 7th Century merchant with antiquated views.

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I see the religion apologists are out in force again... because hey, we have to “respect” other people’s beliefs, and of course what that means is doing everything their way lest we offend their delicate sensibilities.

At what point are we going to put our foot down and say enough is enough? A society that tolerates this sort of religious extremism will very quickly become a society that tolerates nothing except this kind of religious extremism.

We need to stop tolerating these fanatics from encroaching on our way of life, and we also need to stop accepting the “moderate” religious apologists that keeps letting them.

[Roegerland]

Also, forgot to actually answer the OP's questions

Was the school right to display an image of Mohammed? Was it wrong to apologize? Was the angry mob that descended on a local grammar school over a cartoon out of line? Should the authorities deal with them appropriately?

Should we stand with Britain and uphold freedom of expression at all costs, or are the wishy-washy religious fee-fees of an extremely intolerant, fundamentalist minority way more important than the human rights and democratic civil liberties of the vast majority of people in the UK who don't share their totalitarian, theocratic vision? Should secularists and non-Muslims learn to stand up for their rights no matter where they are in the world?

1. No, as explained before.
2. No, same reason.
3 and 4. Death threats and violence is too much imo. A simple dialogue should suffice.
5.1. freedom of expression doesn't even come into the equation, this is a matter of cosmic law.
5.2. our "religious fee-fees" are cosmic law, which superseeds all human laws.

That's actually hilarious. You can abide by your "cosmic law" as much as you want, you have absolutely zero right in demanding that anyone else does, especially in a (supposed) western liberal democracy.

Just don't share any blasphemous content amd we'll be fine. No blasphemous content for Christians, Hindus, nobody. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika.

Nah, freedom is better than blasphemy laws so you can take your veiled threats and... well y'know.

[Vassenor]

I mean, there shouldn't be pics of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It's wrong, there's all there is to it.

It’s only wrong if you take your perspective on life and the universe from some 7th Century merchant with antiquated views.

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I see the religion apologists are out in force again... because hey, we have to “respect” other people’s beliefs, and of course what that means is doing everything their way lest we offend their delicate sensibilities.

At what point are we going to put our foot down and say enough is enough? A society that tolerates this sort of religious extremism will very quickly become a society that tolerates nothing except this kind of religious extremism.

We need to stop tolerating these fanatics from encroaching on our way of life, and we also need to stop accepting the “moderate” religious apologists that keeps letting them.

Apparently a peaceful protest outside a school is dangerous religious extremism now.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Apparently a peaceful protest outside a school is dangerous religious extremism now.

A movement can be extremist in the methods it uses, but a movement can also be extremist in the beliefs that it espouses.

“People shouldn’t commit blasphemy” is religious extremism. If someone is advocating for extremist beliefs, then that someone is an extremist regardless of how peaceful the methods they use to spread that belief are.

[A m e n r i a]

Also, forgot to actually answer the OP's questions



1. No, as explained before.
2. No, same reason.
3 and 4. Death threats and violence is too much imo. A simple dialogue should suffice.
5.1. freedom of expression doesn't even come into the equation, this is a matter of cosmic law.
5.2. our "religious fee-fees" are cosmic law, which superseeds all human laws.

That's actually hilarious. You can abide by your "cosmic law" as much as you want, you have absolutely zero right in demanding that anyone else does, especially in a (supposed) western liberal democracy.

Just don't share any blasphemous content amd we'll be fine. No blasphemous content for Christians, Hindus, nobody. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika.

Nah, freedom is better than blasphemy laws so you can take your veiled threats and... well y'know.

1.Cosmic laws applies everywhere, even in absolute shiteholes.
2. I mean, if you prefer hellfire, that's strange, but still, a state is responsible for it's people's afterlife. Leaders will be questioned on their people then.

Apparently a peaceful protest outside a school is dangerous religious extremism now.

A movement can be extremist in the methods it uses, but a movement can also be extremist in the beliefs that it espouses.

“People shouldn’t commit blasphemy” is religious extremism. If someone is advocating for extremist beliefs, then that someone is an extremist regardless of how peaceful the methods they use to spread that belief are.

Lmao since when is wanting others and oneself to be safe from divine wrath extremist?

I mean, there shouldn't be pics of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It's wrong, there's all there is to it.

It’s only wrong if you take your perspective on life and the universe from some 7th Century merchant with antiquated views.

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I see the religion apologists are out in force again... because hey, we have to “respect” other people’s beliefs, and of course what that means is doing everything their way lest we offend their delicate sensibilities.

At what point are we going to put our foot down and say enough is enough? A society that tolerates this sort of religious extremism will very quickly become a society that tolerates nothing except this kind of religious extremism.

We need to stop tolerating these fanatics from encroaching on our way of life, and we also need to stop accepting the “moderate” religious apologists that keeps letting them.

"Wrong" isn't a view. Sins are objective. Rakib and Atid don't care about your opinions. And while I'd love for the world to be a Mahdian Islamic utopian theocracy, I'm fine with having human governments that tolerate all religions. I'm always respectful when visiting Taoist and Buddhist temples, why can't westerners be respectful to Muslims?

[Roegerland]

That's actually hilarious. You can abide by your "cosmic law" as much as you want, you have absolutely zero right in demanding that anyone else does, especially in a (supposed) western liberal democracy.




Nah, freedom is better than blasphemy laws so you can take your veiled threats and... well y'know.

1.Cosmic laws applies everywhere, even in absolute shiteholes.
2. I mean, if you prefer hellfire, that's strange, but still, a state is responsible for it's people's afterlife. Leaders will be questioned on their people then.

A movement can be extremist in the methods it uses, but a movement can also be extremist in the beliefs that it espouses.

“People shouldn’t commit blasphemy” is religious extremism. If someone is advocating for extremist beliefs, then that someone is an extremist regardless of how peaceful the methods they use to spread that belief are.

Lmao since when is wanting others and oneself to be safe from divine wrath extremist?

Oh you're one of those, I'm basically pissing in the wind at this point.

[A m e n r i a]

1.Cosmic laws applies everywhere, even in absolute shiteholes.
2. I mean, if you prefer hellfire, that's strange, but still, a state is responsible for it's people's afterlife. Leaders will be questioned on their people then.



Lmao since when is wanting others and oneself to be safe from divine wrath extremist?

Oh you're one of those, I'm basically pissing in the wind at this point.

I don't feel we can have a rational discussion either with only one of us being rational. Good day, sir.

[Vassenor]

Apparently a peaceful protest outside a school is dangerous religious extremism now.

A movement can be extremist in the methods it uses, but a movement can also be extremist in the beliefs that it espouses.

“People shouldn’t commit blasphemy” is religious extremism. If someone is advocating for extremist beliefs, then that someone is an extremist regardless of how peaceful the methods they use to spread that belief are.

"We disagree with the perpetuation of harmful stereotypes about Islam" is extremism now, apparently.

[Stellar Colonies]

That's actually hilarious. You can abide by your "cosmic law" as much as you want, you have absolutely zero right in demanding that anyone else does, especially in a (supposed) western liberal democracy.




Nah, freedom is better than blasphemy laws so you can take your veiled threats and... well y'know.

1.Cosmic laws applies everywhere, even in absolute shiteholes.
2. I mean, if you prefer hellfire, that's strange, but still, a state is responsible for it's people's afterlife. Leaders will be questioned on their people then.

A movement can be extremist in the methods it uses, but a movement can also be extremist in the beliefs that it espouses.

“People shouldn’t commit blasphemy” is religious extremism. If someone is advocating for extremist beliefs, then that someone is an extremist regardless of how peaceful the methods they use to spread that belief are.

Lmao since when is wanting others and oneself to be safe from divine wrath extremist?

It’s only wrong if you take your perspective on life and the universe from some 7th Century merchant with antiquated views.

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I see the religion apologists are out in force again... because hey, we have to “respect” other people’s beliefs, and of course what that means is doing everything their way lest we offend their delicate sensibilities.

At what point are we going to put our foot down and say enough is enough? A society that tolerates this sort of religious extremism will very quickly become a society that tolerates nothing except this kind of religious extremism.

We need to stop tolerating these fanatics from encroaching on our way of life, and we also need to stop accepting the “moderate” religious apologists that keeps letting them.

"Wrong" isn't a view. Sins are objective. Rakib and Atid don't care about your opinions. And while I'd love for the world to be a Mahdian Islamic utopian theocracy, I'm fine with having human governments that tolerate all religions. I'm always respectful when visiting Taoist and Buddhist temples, why can't westerners be respectful to Muslims?

Secular law should override religious law, and usually does in a western democracy.

A state shouldn't force people into following a religion they do not believe, and nothing about Islam makes it more legitimate for being given such treatment as with others like Buddhism or Christianity.