Boulder CO Grocery Store shooting, 10 dead

[Galloism]

1: He did not live in Boulder
2: He could’ve just used a different weapon not affected by an “assault weapon” ban and gotten the exact same kill count. I mean the dude in Atlanta used a handgun that wouldn’t even be fucking touched by the ban, and only killed two less people.

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

Rather, we should not take on solutions which are equivalent to wearing a baseball cap while driving in order to prevent auto accidents.

[Adamede]

1: He did not live in Boulder
2: He could’ve just used a different weapon not affected by an “assault weapon” ban and gotten the exact same kill count. I mean the dude in Atlanta used a handgun that wouldn’t even be fucking touched by the ban, and only killed two less people.

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

Are strawmen the only way you know how to respond to a conversation?

[Thermodolia]

1: He did not live in Boulder
2: He could’ve just used a different weapon not affected by an “assault weapon” ban and gotten the exact same kill count. I mean the dude in Atlanta used a handgun that wouldn’t even be fucking touched by the ban, and only killed two less people.

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

No. It’s just that gun control is only treating the symptoms and not the cause which is bad mental health funding.

[Adamede]

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

No. It’s just that gun control is only treating the symptoms and not the cause which is bad mental health funding.

It’s not even treating the symptoms, an AWB is more the equivalent of putting a bandaid on a septic wound and acting like that fixes everything.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No. It’s just that gun control is only treating the symptoms and not the cause which is bad mental health funding.

It's more than just that tbf. A whole slew of changes over the past 40-50 years are to blame I'd say. The drug war, the sexual revolution and divorce becoming mainstream leading to vastly more single parent homes, deindustrialization causing serious job loss and lack of career opportunities, Reagan gutting any hope of mental healthcare, widespread reporting and borderline glorification of early mass shooters (Columbine etc) and so many other things. America as a society is fundamentally broken. Just banning guns because people are shooting each other ignores the vastly more important question of WHY are they shooting each other.

[Thermodolia]

No. It’s just that gun control is only treating the symptoms and not the cause which is bad mental health funding.

It's more than just that tbf. A whole slew of changes over the past 40-50 years are to blame I'd say. The drug war, the sexual revolution and divorce becoming mainstream leading to vastly more single parent homes, deindustrialization causing serious job loss and lack of career opportunities, Reagan gutting any hope of mental healthcare, widespread reporting and borderline glorification of early mass shooters (Columbine etc) and so many other things. America as a society is fundamentally broken. Just banning guns because people are shooting each other ignores the vastly more important question of WHY are they shooting each other.

Ending the drug war, better funding for mental health and attempting to reverse deindustrialization would help massively though.

[Kowani]

The shooter will have his first court appearance on Thursday

[Punished UMN]

No. It’s just that gun control is only treating the symptoms and not the cause which is bad mental health funding.

It's more than just that tbf. A whole slew of changes over the past 40-50 years are to blame I'd say. The drug war, the sexual revolution and divorce becoming mainstream leading to vastly more single parent homes, deindustrialization causing serious job loss and lack of career opportunities, Reagan gutting any hope of mental healthcare, widespread reporting and borderline glorification of early mass shooters (Columbine etc) and so many other things. America as a society is fundamentally broken. Just banning guns because people are shooting each other ignores the vastly more important question of WHY are they shooting each other.

Excellent post. Widespread availability of firearms make it easier to kill someone, but even if you don't include firearm homicides, the US still has a much higher homicide rate than most developed countries, which begs the question of why Americans are more willing to murder than people in other developed (and even many developing) countries.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The shooter will have his first court appearance on Thursday

Do we have the motive yet?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The shooter will have his first court appearance on Thursday

Do we have the motive yet?

Allegedly he had ISIS sympathies but everything is kind of up in the air right now.

[Paddy O Fernature]

It's more than just that tbf. A whole slew of changes over the past 40-50 years are to blame I'd say. The drug war, the sexual revolution and divorce becoming mainstream leading to vastly more single parent homes, deindustrialization causing serious job loss and lack of career opportunities, Reagan gutting any hope of mental healthcare, widespread reporting and borderline glorification of early mass shooters (Columbine etc) and so many other things. America as a society is fundamentally broken. Just banning guns because people are shooting each other ignores the vastly more important question of WHY are they shooting each other.

Ending the drug war, better funding for mental health and attempting to reverse deindustrialization would help massively though.

I would go so far as to say we need to bring back long term modernized and updated Psychiatric hospitals to place people in that literally are unfit for society.

Do we have the motive yet?

Allegedly he had ISIS sympathies but everything is kind of up in the air right now.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. Hopefully it isn't, but you never know anymore.

[The Emerald Legion]

No. It’s just that gun control is only treating the symptoms and not the cause which is bad mental health funding.

It’s not even treating the symptoms, an AWB is more the equivalent of putting a bandaid on a septic wound and acting like that fixes everything.

Closer to giving someone with a hole in their chest a cough drop.

[Paddy O Fernature]

It’s not even treating the symptoms, an AWB is more the equivalent of putting a bandaid on a septic wound and acting like that fixes everything.

Closer to giving someone with a hole in their chest a cough drop.

More like giving car insurance to someone who's checking into a hospital for a broken leg.

[Kannap]

So when can we expect America to try something other than Thoughts and Prayers(tm) to stop things like this and the Atlanta shooting from happening in the future?

It's the best we've got, we seemingly can't - or have giving up trying - to address the issues that lead somebody to open fire in a public setting.

It's believed that 80% of mass shooters were known to be suicidal before they committed the act. This tracks with nearly half of mass shooters dying during the act - 38% of mass shooters take their own life while another 10% die by "suicide-by-cop"

Gun control is like putting a band-aid on a dead body and hoping that will help the situation. It's something easy to circumvent and mass shooters are already willing to break multiple laws so why not one more? Not to mention gun control disproportionately effects minorities such as people of color who are most likely to need guns to protect themselves from hate crimes. Not to mention the 2nd Amendment leaves a lot of gun control legislation either dead in the water or severely questionable and controversial.

The real way to curb mass shooting events is to get to the root of the problem and address the issues that lead somebody to the act.

[Insaanistan]

So, the guy who did it was a “Muslim”, but from what I can tell, the guy wasn’t a terrorist.
Though he was disturbingly paranoid.
According to what the people who knew him said, the guy got bullied for being Muslim and since then had been freakishly paranoid of the government and every non-Muslim around him. He’s convinced his former high school had bugged his phone.

Muslim community’s reaching out to the victims.

[Insaanistan]

Seeing reports that the suspect is Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa.

No motive yet. He was born in Syria, but went to highschool in the US.

Geez I wonder what Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa's motive could have been?? What a mystery.

Curveball:
Dude apparently has no links to any terrorist group and instead has mental illness with its origins in people bullying him for being Muslim.

[Bombadil]

The real way to curb mass shooting events is to get to the root of the problem and address the issues that lead somebody to the act.

Sounds like communism to me..

[Insaanistan]

muslim incel - havent seen this combination before, but those are two demographics who are commonly implicated in these crimes. wonder when society is gonna realize we can't let those groups roam free in the streets peddling their dangerous ideologies ...

So, you gonna ignore that the Muslim community in Boulder is reaching out to the victims and standing in solidarity with them or...

[Stylan]

So when can we expect America to try something other than Thoughts and Prayers(tm) to stop things like this and the Atlanta shooting from happening in the future?

The real way to curb mass shooting events is to get to the root of the problem and address the issues that lead somebody to the act.

Exactly.

[Sungoldy-China]

Either you control it strictly, or you don’t control it at all


Instead of discussing gun control, why not promote body armor on a large scale and treat it as a necessities of life?

[Odreria]

Either you control it strictly, or you don’t control it at all


Instead of discussing gun control, why not promote body armor on a large scale and treat it as a necessities of life?

Terrible idea

[Cekovia]

muslim incel - havent seen this combination before, but those are two demographics who are commonly implicated in these crimes. wonder when society is gonna realize we can't let those groups roam free in the streets peddling their dangerous ideologies ...

So, you gonna ignore that the Muslim community in Boulder is reaching out to the victims and standing in solidarity with them or...

meaningless. muslim terrorists r constantly causing damage even in their homelands, churches trying to keep their reputation intact doesn't resolve the underlying issue

[Knask]

1: He did not live in Boulder
2: He could’ve just used a different weapon not affected by an “assault weapon” ban and gotten the exact same kill count. I mean the dude in Atlanta used a handgun that wouldn’t even be fucking touched by the ban, and only killed two less people.

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

Maybe listen to the GOP and Trump's suggestion, and just take away guns without due process.

[Farnhamia]

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

Maybe listen to the GOP and Trump's suggestion, and just take away guns without due process.

Much as it pains me to say this, Trump didn't say that. He said, take the guns first and then do the due process.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Maybe listen to the GOP and Trump's suggestion, and just take away guns without due process.

Much as it pains me to say this, Trump didn't say that. He said, take the guns first and then do the due process.

A difference without much of a distinction.