Boulder CO Grocery Store shooting, 10 dead

[Nilokeras]

Arabs are always in a unique position. When victims of an attack or hate crime Arabs are recognized as their own people and culture (s) and as separate from Europe as one can get -racially and culturally. When perpetrators of crimes (especially hate crimes) “they’re white”.

because identity politics in general are focused on redefining everything such that there is always a clear "oppressor" and "oppressed" class. whether the nazis with the jews, the soviets with the kulaks, or the woke with whites. anyone who is bad must be associated with the oppressor group and anyone good with the oppressed, and we will constantly redefine as necessary the meaning of the oppressor and oppressed groups such that all the bad people can be sorted into the former and all the good people into the latter. same thing happened with hispanic george zimmerman in 2012, who then got redefined as white in order to fit the narrative that whites are the sole oppressors of blacks.

There is a broader interesting point to be made about the rehabilitation of certain groups into 'whiteness' as a social construct, both on the part of the right and the left. The GOP for example has made it a project in the last decade plus to reach out to Hispanics as a remedy for their demographic problems, and has been pretty successful in coopting a segment of the Hispanic population - usually conservative and Catholic - to joining with their coalition and convincing them to see themselves as part of the 'white' racial/social class. To that end you see this motif repeated in liberal takes on this event, where the shooter here is perceived as being 'white' because he doesn't have enough 'otherized' characteristics (like obvious religiosity, poverty or new immigrant status) and had a 'normal', if troubled, high school experience.

Just goes to show how mutable 'whiteness' is as a construct that you can have such wild disagreements about their placement on the racial hierarchy that Western culture has constructed for itself.

[Bombadil]

One of the people killed was a father of 7 children, I feel that there should be an investigation as to why this was the case and whether his finances were enough to satisfactorily support that many people. Usually you only see all the wrong sorts of people with large families. This is far beyond the 2 to 3 children range that is acceptable.

You mean the policeman, Eric Talley..

Police had previously identified one victim in the shooting, the first police officer to arrive at the scene, Eric Talley. The 51-year-old father of seven was looking for less dangerous work, his father said.

“He was looking for a job to keep himself off of the frontlines and was learning to be a drone operator,” Homer Talley said in a statement. “He didn’t want to put his family through something like this.”

[Postauthoritarian America]

the shooter lived in arvada, not boulder. he would've been able to purchase it regardless, and i don't think boulder technically banning possession of the gun would've stopped a guy whose intention was to commit the much more serious crime of murdering a bunch of innocent people

The AWB would have had absolutely zero effect on the outcome of this incident.

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

[Crockerland]

The AWB would have had absolutely zero effect on the outcome of this incident.

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

What an absolutely delusional take.

[Saiwania]

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

It is pure coincidence in this case because, even if Boulder's strict stance stayed in place, there's nothing stopping someone from traveling to a more permissive state or locality and traveling back to where certain guns are prohibited. There are no fortifications/patrols like national borders have at state/county/city lines.

And geographically speaking, its more impossible to stop illegal guns from being smuggled into the US compared to Australia which is an island continent that is relatively remote in terms of getting there by boat. But national borders are always much harder to get across in that you might be intercepted by locals if not a navy/coast guard if you look too out of place.

[Punished UMN]

The AWB would have had absolutely zero effect on the outcome of this incident.

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

Correlation does not equal causation. An event happening or not happening before or after another event does not mean that one event caused the other, or that one event was preventing another. This is especially true when you consider that Boulder's AWB was not far-reaching (presumably it had no legal authority outside of city-limits) and thus would not have prevented acquisition of a firearm of that type for many nearby residents.

[Cekovia]

But it's only bad because "usually you only see the wrong sort of people" doing it.

Catholics?

if thats what sai means then i agree with him

[Senkaku]

One of the people killed was a father of 7 children, I feel that there should be an investigation as to why this was the case and whether his finances were enough to satisfactorily support that many people. Usually you only see all the wrong sorts of people with large families. This is far beyond the 2 to 3 children range that is acceptable.

God no wonder you’re so worried that the mud races are breeding white people into the ground if you think 2-3 is the acceptable range, those are rookie numbers

[The Two Jerseys]

Really? A shooting happens and the only thing your concerned about is a father having seven kids?

Nazis have different priorities.

Ironically, the Nazis would give women a medal for cranking out lots of children.

[Lamoni]

One of the people killed was a father of 7 children, I feel that there should be an investigation as to why this was the case and whether his finances were enough to satisfactorily support that many people. Usually you only see all the wrong sorts of people with large families. This is far beyond the 2 to 3 children range that is acceptable.

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"Having a large family should bring an automatic investigation into you by the state." This is not something that the state should waste their resources on, and there are plenty of large families who turn out normally.

Catholics?

if thats what sai means then i agree with him

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Yeah, no. You don't get to troll Catholics like that, Cekovia. Your warning got upgraded to a 1-day ban after consultation with colleagues.

[Immortan Khan]

One of the people killed was a father of 7 children, I feel that there should be an investigation as to why this was the case and whether his finances were enough to satisfactorily support that many people. Usually you only see all the wrong sorts of people with large families. This is far beyond the 2 to 3 children range that is acceptable.

It's more doable than people think with the right amount of money and spending habits along with some fortunate circumstances. For example if him or his wife inherited their house that takes out the single largest cost of raising a child (housing is typically ~30% of the total cost). Add in that they probably didn't have to buy too many extra clothes and toys since they would have hand me downs, it also makes it easier. Cops are paid well and if his wife has a decent job it could work comfortably.

Plus I thought you wanted there to be more white people? Or is this just saltiness over him being ahead?

[North Washington Republic]

As of right now I have no rational way to think this way, but my gut tells me that fact that this was a vaccination site played a role in the killer’s motive.

[Odreria]

One of the people killed was a father of 7 children, I feel that there should be an investigation as to why this was the case and whether his finances were enough to satisfactorily support that many people. Usually you only see all the wrong sorts of people with large families. This is far beyond the 2 to 3 children range that is acceptable.

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"Having a large family should bring an automatic investigation into you by the state." This is not something that the state should waste their resources on, and there are plenty of large families who turn out normally.

What rule is this against? Because I don't remember one that bans stupid opinions

[Washington Resistance Army]

The AWB would have had absolutely zero effect on the outcome of this incident.

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

Casual reminder that mass shootings became a common thing while the federal AWB was implemented

[Istoreya]

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"Having a large family should bring an automatic investigation into you by the state." This is not something that the state should waste their resources on, and there are plenty of large families who turn out normally.

What rule is this against? Because I don't remember one that bans stupid opinions

I imagine the "wrong sorts of people" comment was trolling.

[Vassenor]

So when can we expect America to try something other than Thoughts and Prayers(tm) to stop things like this and the Atlanta shooting from happening in the future?

[Washington Resistance Army]

So when can we expect America to try something other than Thoughts and Prayers(tm) to stop things like this and the Atlanta shooting from happening in the future?

Never because gun control is politically toxic and an issue the Dems consistently lose on. It's arguably the best way to make people vote Republican.

[Thermodolia]

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

Casual reminder that mass shootings became a common thing while the federal AWB was implemented

This whole mass shooting situation happened when the government under Reagan gutted the mental health system. If we had a better mental health system these wouldn’t be happening

[Adamede]

The AWB would have had absolutely zero effect on the outcome of this incident.

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

So tell me how would an AWB prevent mass shootings?

[Kernen]

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

So tell me how would an AWB prevent mass shootings?

Something something no deaths. Something Ar15 automatic weapon of war.

[Vassenor]

Because there were so many mass shootings in Boulder before it was struck down amiright?

So tell me how would an AWB prevent mass shootings?

The fact that the shooter was only able to purchase the weapon used for the shooting six days before the shooting because the AWB was struck down ten days before the shooting?

[Adamede]

So tell me how would an AWB prevent mass shootings?

The fact that the shooter was only able to purchase the weapon used for the shooting six days before the shooting because the AWB was struck down ten days before the shooting?

1: He did not live in Boulder
2: He could’ve just used a different weapon not affected by an “assault weapon” ban and gotten the exact same kill count. I mean the dude in Atlanta used a handgun that wouldn’t even be fucking touched by the ban, and only killed two less people.

[Galloism]

So tell me how would an AWB prevent mass shootings?

The fact that the shooter was only able to purchase the weapon used for the shooting six days before the shooting because the AWB was struck down ten days before the shooting?

That doesn't appear to be the case, given the shooter was from Arvada, which does not now nor as far as I can tell has ever had an assault weapons ban.

Also, it's fairly likely if you ban certain cosmetic features of a gun (which is what an AWB is largely about, sans the grenade launcher attachment restriction), people will just buy guns without those cosmetic features.

[Vassenor]

The fact that the shooter was only able to purchase the weapon used for the shooting six days before the shooting because the AWB was struck down ten days before the shooting?

1: He did not live in Boulder
2: He could’ve just used a different weapon not affected by an “assault weapon” ban and gotten the exact same kill count. I mean the dude in Atlanta used a handgun that wouldn’t even be fucking touched by the ban, and only killed two less people.

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

[Washington Resistance Army]

1: He did not live in Boulder
2: He could’ve just used a different weapon not affected by an “assault weapon” ban and gotten the exact same kill count. I mean the dude in Atlanta used a handgun that wouldn’t even be fucking touched by the ban, and only killed two less people.

And thus America should do nothing to try and stop mass shootings?

No we should but we should accept gun control isn't the answer.