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Alarming Rise in Racial Hate Crimes in US and China

Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:05 am

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The coronavirus outbreak simply came out of China. And that fact has caused an alarming rise in anti-Asian rhetoric and violence in the West, especially the United States. This is highlighted by the recent murder of 8 in Atlanta, 6 of whom are Asian women.

The previous president, Donald Trump, and his supporters frequently referred to it as “Kung flu” and “China Virus”. Asian Americans have been pushed and beaten in the streets in connection with blame for the virus. Due to the inability of many to tell different Asians apart: Korean, Japanese, Filipino, and Vietnamese people have also been targeted. The rate is much higher than reported: immigrants are less likely to report hate crimes against them out of distrust.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the Pacific, Chinese people are targeting another racial group: black people.
Black people in China report increasing discrimination in relation to the pandemic. Many Chinese people blame them for the huge amount of cases they had early on that spread across the world. When Chinese officials enacted an order to make sure all foreigners didn’t have the virus, in practice, they only targeted Africans.

This pandemic is creating a cycle of hate across the world that isn’t going to go away even when the pandemic ends.
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Edit: Welp, mods are gonna merge this.
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Postby Caleonia » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:09 am

Flippin’ sucks, man. ‘Tis a shame too because I should have known better. I follow the 49ers on Twitter and kept getting these messages on ALM long before the Atlanta Spa Shootings happened.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:11 am

In my opinion, you make too many threads on subjects that are too similar. Not a mod, just my opinion that the forum is losing interest in the many ways that non-Muslims are mean to Muslims.

Fewer, longer threads, will do more to raise consciousness on your issues.
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Postby Ebrilond » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:12 am

Sounds disheartening, but sadly, as long as humanity exists hate isn't going to perish.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:12 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:In my opinion, you make too many threads on subjects that are too similar. Not a mod, just my opinion that the forum is losing interest in the many ways that non-Muslims are mean to Muslims.

Fewer, longer threads, will do more to raise consciousness on your issues.

I literally never even mentioned the word Muslims, dude.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:14 am

Insaanistan wrote:I literally never even mentioned the word Muslims, dude.


Yeah OK. Still a bit sameish.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:16 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I literally never even mentioned the word Muslims, dude.


Yeah OK. Still a bit sameish.

I think 6 people shot for their race as part of a rising trend of hate is pretty significant. That being said, someone already made a thread relating more specifically to the hate crime murders in Atlanta that I’m waiting for the mods to merge this with.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:18 am

Insaanistan wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Yeah OK. Still a bit sameish.

I think 6 people shot for their race as part of a rising trend of hate is pretty significant. That being said, someone already made a thread relating more specifically to the hate crime murders in Atlanta that I’m waiting for the mods to merge this with.

The folks in Atlanta weren't shot for their race but their profession
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:21 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I think 6 people shot for their race as part of a rising trend of hate is pretty significant. That being said, someone already made a thread relating more specifically to the hate crime murders in Atlanta that I’m waiting for the mods to merge this with.

The folks in Atlanta weren't shot for their race but their profession

I’ve seen that claimed, but I highly doubt that.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:24 am

Racism against non-Han Chinese people in China didn't begin with the pandemic. Bigotry in China is widespread, nationalists call white people "pigs" and black people "monkeys". The nationalist rhetoric promoted by the CCP has only made things worse when it comes to racial discrimination in China.

Americans hating on their own citizens for being Asian is top idiocy, but not surprising.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:24 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The folks in Atlanta weren't shot for their race but their profession

I’ve seen that claimed, but I highly doubt that.

Maybe you should read what the shooter said.

If we treat it as anti Asian bias we are treating the wrong issue
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I’ve seen that claimed, but I highly doubt that.

Maybe you should read what the shooter said.

If we treat it as anti Asian bias we are treating the wrong issue


I fully agree.

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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:30 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I’ve seen that claimed, but I highly doubt that.

Maybe you should read what the shooter said.

If we treat it as anti Asian bias we are treating the wrong issue


I have read a lot on it, and I’m treating it the same way I’m treating it when a very Islamophobic dude shot three Muslims nearby where I live and claimed it was over a parking dispute, causing the police to treat it as such.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:31 am

-Ocelot- wrote:Racism against non-Han Chinese people in China didn't begin with the pandemic. Bigotry in China is widespread, nationalists call white people "pigs" and black people "monkeys". The nationalist rhetoric promoted by the CCP has only made things worse when it comes to racial discrimination in China.

Americans hating on their own citizens for being Asian is top idiocy, but not surprising.

Obviously it didn’t start with it (*cough* Uyghurs, Tibetans, and Mongolians *cough*), but it’s just worsening with the pandemic.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:34 am

Insaanistan wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:Racism against non-Han Chinese people in China didn't begin with the pandemic. Bigotry in China is widespread, nationalists call white people "pigs" and black people "monkeys". The nationalist rhetoric promoted by the CCP has only made things worse when it comes to racial discrimination in China.

Americans hating on their own citizens for being Asian is top idiocy, but not surprising.

Obviously it didn’t start with it (*cough* Uyghurs, Tibetans, and Mongolians *cough*), but it’s just worsening with the pandemic.


Yeah, if they can be this cruel to their own people, it's no surprise that they'll degrade immigrants as well.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:36 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Maybe you should read what the shooter said.

If we treat it as anti Asian bias we are treating the wrong issue


I have read a lot on it, and I’m treating it the same way I’m treating it when a very Islamophobic dude shot three Muslims nearby where I live and claimed it was over a parking dispute, causing the police to treat it as such.

So you are viewing it through pre defined blinders .

The shooter was a customer of the whore houses. Treating this the same as a guy pushing an old east Asian lady onto subway tracks because she caused Covid does nobody any good at all
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:40 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
I have read a lot on it, and I’m treating it the same way I’m treating it when a very Islamophobic dude shot three Muslims nearby where I live and claimed it was over a parking dispute, causing the police to treat it as such.

So you are viewing it through pre defined blinders .

The shooter was a customer of the whore houses. Treating this the same as a guy pushing an old east Asian lady onto subway tracks because she caused Covid does nobody any good at all


The Orlando Shooter frequented the gay nightclub.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:45 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:So you are viewing it through pre defined blinders .

The shooter was a customer of the whore houses. Treating this the same as a guy pushing an old east Asian lady onto subway tracks because she caused Covid does nobody any good at all


The Orlando Shooter frequented the gay nightclub.


Are you denying that there is parallel between "prostitute" as an occupation, and "night-clubbing gay" as a pastime?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:50 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:So you are viewing it through pre defined blinders .

The shooter was a customer of the whore houses. Treating this the same as a guy pushing an old east Asian lady onto subway tracks because she caused Covid does nobody any good at all


The Orlando Shooter frequented the gay nightclub.

He was gay. He shot thr place up for "what happened in Afghanistan ", not cause the people who were there that night were Latinos. If we treated this as discrimination against the hispanic community we would be going after the wrong target.
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Racism bad. Next.
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Postby Dangine » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:59 am

I don't believe the Spa shooting was because they were Asian, the real reason is more sinister and reflects a deep problem.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:59 am

OP,

I think you made a mistake in your choice of an example of anti Asian bias. Because that example isn't it. But your base premise about Asian Americans isn't wrong.

Maybe rewrite the OP with this.

https://abc7ny.com/subway-attack-nyc-ra ... /10345061/
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Postby Arvenia » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:05 am

We shouldn't have to escalate this further here (on this thread).
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:06 am

Ethel mermania wrote:OP,

I think you made a mistake in your choice of an example of anti Asian bias. Because that example isn't it. But your base premise about Asian Americans isn't wrong.

Maybe rewrite the OP with this.

https://abc7ny.com/subway-attack-nyc-ra ... /10345061/


This is also an example, and I’d gladly include it, but I’m not backing down from the suspect’ racist motivations for a couple reasons:
1. Context: the dude killed mostly Asians and he did it now
2. According to some unconfirmed reports, he yelled “Kill all the Asians”.
3. His targeting of Asian people comes from racist stereotypes.

This source explains it better:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... KKNBqMHsjn
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