School Drops Lawsuit Against Muslim Girl Over Skirt

[Insaanistan]

A twelve year old British Muslimah by the name of Siham Hamud attends school in London. She was sent home over and over again my the school because, get this: her skirt was too long.
That’s right: a SCHOOL wanted her to wear a shorter skirt.
The school threatened her family with legal action over this, though the parents protested that short skirts violated their religious principles.
Siham says she felt bullied by the school.
Three months later, the school is reversing the decision.

We all know why the school complained about this, right?
It’s problematic they even entertained the idea of telling everyday to go home because they thought she was converting up too much.
Seriously, it’s never fun to be a minority regardless of creed or time period, but right now, it’s even worse to be a Muslim one.
Yes, Muslims exist. Get used to it: we’re the fastest growing faith on the planet. We believe a lot of things different from you, but we’re not weird, we’re not backwards, we’re not a threat.
Just be kind to us, please.
Source:
https://arab.news/wa958

[The Archregimancy]

Uuuuuuuuuuugggggggghhhhhh!

[Zul-ar]

If the skirt was ankle-length, I can understand how it might've violated school rules on uniforms. From what I know school skirts are around knee length, some shorter and some longer.

That being said, exceptions should have been made for this girl's religious beliefs. In the same way she would be allowed to wear a hijab even if the school had a rule against hats, she should be allowed to wear her skirt even if the school has rules against skirts of a certain length.

The most unreasonable part in this is that they had the girl miss an entire month of instruction as a result. I mean, seriously? It's childish at that point. The school should've made an effort to meet the parents halfway long before that.

[Vassenor]

Yeah, not sure the school has a leg to stand on here. (pun not intended)

Especially considering that UK law prohibits discrimination on the grounds of religion. To quote directly from the Equality Act 2010

85 Pupils: admission and treatment, etc.

[...]

(2)The responsible body of such a school must not discriminate against a pupil—
(a)in the way it provides education for the pupil;
(b)in the way it affords the pupil access to a benefit, facility or service;
(c)by not providing education for the pupil;
(d)by not affording the pupil access to a benefit, facility or service;
(e)by excluding the pupil from the school;
(f)by subjecting the pupil to any other detriment.

[Insaanistan]

Yeah, not sure the school has a leg to stand on here. (pun not intended)

Especially considering that UK law prohibits discrimination on the grounds of religion. To quote directly from the Equality Act 2010

85 Pupils: admission and treatment, etc.

[...]

(2)The responsible body of such a school must not discriminate against a pupil—
(a)in the way it provides education for the pupil;
(b)in the way it affords the pupil access to a benefit, facility or service;
(c)by not providing education for the pupil;
(d)by not affording the pupil access to a benefit, facility or service;
(e)by excluding the pupil from the school;
(f)by subjecting the pupil to any other detriment.

Makes sense to me.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

That being said, exceptions should have been made for this girl's religious beliefs. In the same way she would be allowed to wear a hijab even if the school had a rule against hats, she should be allowed to wear her skirt even if the school has rules against skirts of a certain length.

Why? Religious faith should not entitle people to special privileges.

It seems rather silly to me that the school dress code does not accommodate long skirts, but if those are the rules then those are the rules. Has the dress code actually been changed, or is this just another case of a religious person getting a special exception because of people whining about religious “freedom”?

[Insaanistan]

That being said, exceptions should have been made for this girl's religious beliefs. In the same way she would be allowed to wear a hijab even if the school had a rule against hats, she should be allowed to wear her skirt even if the school has rules against skirts of a certain length.

Why? Religious faith should not entitle people to special privileges.

It seems rather silly to me that the school dress code does not accommodate long skirts, but if those are the rules then those are the rules. Has the dress code actually been changed, or is this just another case of a religious person getting a special exception because of people whining about religious “freedom”?

I’m concerned you don’t think the girl you should to have a longer skirt because of her religious beliefs.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I’m concerned you don’t think the girl you should to have a longer skirt because of her religious beliefs.

I’m concerned that you think your people should have the freedom to ignore rules you don’t like because fantasy stories written a millennia ago says they should.

[Vassenor]

I’m concerned you don’t think the girl you should to have a longer skirt because of her religious beliefs.

I’m concerned that you think your people should have the freedom to ignore rules you don’t like because fantasy stories written a millennia ago says they should.

If the law says you can't discriminate on the basis of religion, that's the end of it.

[Punished UMN]

That being said, exceptions should have been made for this girl's religious beliefs. In the same way she would be allowed to wear a hijab even if the school had a rule against hats, she should be allowed to wear her skirt even if the school has rules against skirts of a certain length.

Why? Religious faith should not entitle people to special privileges.

It seems rather silly to me that the school dress code does not accommodate long skirts, but if those are the rules then those are the rules. Has the dress code actually been changed, or is this just another case of a religious person getting a special exception because of people whining about religious “freedom”?

The government should not be in the business of forcing people to choose between their education and right to use public services and their religion. Ataturk tried that in Turkey and it was a miserable failure.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

If the law says you can't discriminate on the basis of religion, that's the end of it.

Does the school’s dress code not apply to non-religious students? If that has been the case I’ll concede my position on the issue, but so far nothing I’ve read suggests that.

See, this is the problem with so-called “religious freedom”. Suddenly asking everyone to abide by the same regulations is “discrimination” and letting religious people do whatever they like and ignore the rules is “tolerance”.

[Insaanistan]

I’m concerned you don’t think the girl you should to have a longer skirt because of her religious beliefs.

I’m concerned that you think your people should have the freedom to ignore rules you don’t like because fantasy stories written a millennia ago says they should.

“My people”?

[Insaanistan]

If the law says you can't discriminate on the basis of religion, that's the end of it.

Does the school’s dress code not apply to non-religious students? If that has been the case I’ll concede my position on the issue, but so far nothing I’ve read suggests that.

See, this is the problem with so-called “religious freedom”. Suddenly asking everyone to abide by the same regulations is “discrimination” and letting religious people do whatever they like and ignore the rules is “tolerance”.

I’m sure if the girl was kicked out for wearing a hijab you’d be saying the same thing because “muh, no hats.”

[Punished UMN]

If the law says you can't discriminate on the basis of religion, that's the end of it.

Does the school’s dress code not apply to non-religious students? If that has been the case I’ll concede my position on the issue, but so far nothing I’ve read suggests that.

See, this is the problem with so-called “religious freedom”. Suddenly asking everyone to abide by the same regulations is “discrimination” and letting religious people do whatever they like and ignore the rules is “tolerance”.

Sometimes the rules are discriminatory because they are violations of a particular rule in a religion but pose no issue for others. Proscribing the same rules for everyone when those rules are arbitrary and would result in violation of some religious rule that doesn't harm anyone has often been used as a means to persecute others or suppress freedom of minorities.

[Vassenor]

If the law says you can't discriminate on the basis of religion, that's the end of it.

Does the school’s dress code not apply to non-religious students? If that has been the case I’ll concede my position on the issue, but so far nothing I’ve read suggests that.

See, this is the problem with so-called “religious freedom”. Suddenly asking everyone to abide by the same regulations is “discrimination” and letting religious people do whatever they like and ignore the rules is “tolerance”.

All this over eight inches of fabric.

[Punished UMN]

Does the school’s dress code not apply to non-religious students? If that has been the case I’ll concede my position on the issue, but so far nothing I’ve read suggests that.

See, this is the problem with so-called “religious freedom”. Suddenly asking everyone to abide by the same regulations is “discrimination” and letting religious people do whatever they like and ignore the rules is “tolerance”.

All this over eight inches of fabric.

That so many people support arbitrary rules simply for having already been in place regardless of how those rules make it difficult for minorities to operate in the system is one of the ways that discriminatory policies are able to maintain themselves. Status quos are always favored, even if they're ridiculous. The school is literally trying to force a pre-teen to wear a shorter skirt.

[Zul-ar]

That being said, exceptions should have been made for this girl's religious beliefs. In the same way she would be allowed to wear a hijab even if the school had a rule against hats, she should be allowed to wear her skirt even if the school has rules against skirts of a certain length.

Why? Religious faith should not entitle people to special privileges.

It seems rather silly to me that the school dress code does not accommodate long skirts, but if those are the rules then those are the rules. Has the dress code actually been changed, or is this just another case of a religious person getting a special exception because of people whining about religious “freedom”?

You should be allowed to practice your religious beliefs if they don't hurt anyone. If wearing a long skirt is part of practicing her religious beliefs, an exception should be made for that as it's harmless. The same way she would be allowed to wear a hijab regardless of the rules against headscarves.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

“My people”?

You and people of your religion, in particular those that live in minority-Muslim societies.

---

The government should not be in the business of forcing people to choose between their education and right to use public services and their religion. Ataturk tried that in Turkey and it was a miserable failure.

Governments around the world force billions of people every day to choose between staying out of prison or living in accordance to their beliefs; libertarians are subject to the same tax code and business regulations as everyone else, and the court doesn’t - and shouldn’t - care if their personal beliefs disagree with the law.

That is, indeed, a basic necessary condition for organised society. A school dress code doesn’t have quite the gravity of criminal law, but the same principle applies.

The only reason why this issue is even an issue is because religious people are essentially a protected class in modern popular discourse, so demanding that they follow the rules generates mass outrage.

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The school is literally trying to force a pre-teen to wear a shorter skirt.

And I have agreed that the rule is silly. I’d be supportive of changing it.

But as long as it exists, people should be expected to abide by it. Or are you saying that we should all be in the habit of ignoring all those inconvenient minor regulations if we personally don’t happen to agree with them?

[Insaanistan]

“My people”?

You and people of your religion, in particular those that live in minority-Muslim societies.

---

The government should not be in the business of forcing people to choose between their education and right to use public services and their religion. Ataturk tried that in Turkey and it was a miserable failure.

Governments around the world force billions of people every day to choose between staying out of prison or living in accordance to their beliefs; libertarians are subject to the same tax code and business regulations as everyone else, and the court doesn’t - and shouldn’t - care if their personal beliefs disagree with the law.

That is, indeed, a basic necessary condition for organised society. A school dress code doesn’t have quite the gravity of criminal law, but the same principle applies.

The only reason why this issue is even an issue is because religious people are essentially a protected class in modern popular discourse, so demanding that they follow the rules generates mass outrage.

---

The school is literally trying to force a pre-teen to wear a shorter skirt.

And I have agreed that the rule is silly. I’d be supportive of changing it.

But as long as it exists, people should be expected to abide by it. Or are you saying that we should all be in the habit of ignoring all those inconvenient minor regulations if we personally don’t happen to agree with them?

Man compares pre-teen Muslim not wanting to wear a short skirt to committing a crime. More news at 5.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The school is literally trying to force a pre-teen to wear a shorter skirt.

And I have agreed that the rule is silly. I’d be supportive of changing it.

But as long as it exists, people should be expected to abide by it. Or are you saying that we should all be in the habit of ignoring all those inconvenient minor regulations if we personally don’t happen to agree with them?

I'd wager most people hold that position, yeah.

[Insaanistan]

“My people”?

You and people of your religion, in particular those that live in minority-Muslim societies.

Oh, so you’re totally fine with every Muslim state forcing non-Muslims to abide by shariā?

[Punished UMN]

“My people”?

You and people of your religion, in particular those that live in minority-Muslim societies.

---

The government should not be in the business of forcing people to choose between their education and right to use public services and their religion. Ataturk tried that in Turkey and it was a miserable failure.

Governments around the world force billions of people every day to choose between staying out of prison or living in accordance to their beliefs; libertarians are subject to the same tax code and business regulations as everyone else, and the court doesn’t - and shouldn’t - care if their personal beliefs disagree with the law.

That is, indeed, a basic necessary condition for organised society. A school dress code doesn’t have quite the gravity of criminal law, but the same principle applies.

The only reason why this issue is even an issue is because religious people are essentially a protected class in modern popular discourse, so demanding that they follow the rules generates mass outrage.

---

The school is literally trying to force a pre-teen to wear a shorter skirt.

And I have agreed that the rule is silly. I’d be supportive of changing it.

But as long as it exists, people should be expected to abide by it. Or are you saying that we should all be in the habit of ignoring all those inconvenient minor regulations if we personally don’t happen to agree with them?

Why is it necessary or important for us all to follow inconvenient minor regulations that contribute nothing to society?

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Oh, so you’re totally fine with every Muslim state forcing non-Muslims to abide by shariā?

...I spent half my childhood abroad. You say that like “abide by the laws of the country you live in” is some kind of alien and incomprehensible concept to me.

[Insaanistan]

Oh, so you’re totally fine with every Muslim state forcing non-Muslims to abide by shariā?

...I spent half my childhood abroad. You say that like “abide by the laws of the country you live in” is some kind of alien and incomprehensible concept to me.

So, you’d be fine if every Christian from Senegal to Indonesia wasn’t allowed to drink or eat pork or go to church?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That literally sounds like some pedo shit. "We're upset cause your daughter wasn't wearing a short skirt." Like wtf? That's the dress code. Damn it would be only funnier if the headmaster was some wrinkly old man.