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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
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Total votes : 302

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:48 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Of course we can't live in a world where we distribute vaccines according to need. That would be silly.


Fuck Bill Gates.

Among others.


The New California Republic wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Astra Zeneca was funded by the state and based on the work from a state funded university.

Their vaccines are being sold at cost.

And it just shows that BoJo's claim that the success of it was due to greed and capitalism etc is just total shit. If anything its development and subsequent distribution is an almost complete carbon-copy of the kind of system that existed in the allocations and rationing system in the UK during WW2.

Oh gods, don't give Boris the idea that he is to the pandemic what Churchill was to the war.

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Postby Kowani » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:56 am

California to expand vaccine eligibility

California is dramatically expanding the eligibility for COVID-19 vaccines, offering the shots to virtually all residents 16 and older beginning next month, the state announced Thursday.

Residents who are at least 50 years old can get vaccines starting April 1, and all Californians 16 and older will be eligible starting April 15.
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Postby Loeje » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:57 am

Kowani wrote:California to expand vaccine eligibility

California is dramatically expanding the eligibility for COVID-19 vaccines, offering the shots to virtually all residents 16 and older beginning next month, the state announced Thursday.

Residents who are at least 50 years old can get vaccines starting April 1, and all Californians 16 and older will be eligible starting April 15.

Finally! :)
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:58 am

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... rch-target

White House: 11M Johnson & Johnson doses coming next week

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:And it just shows that BoJo's claim that the success of it was due to greed and capitalism etc is just total shit. If anything its development and subsequent distribution is an almost complete carbon-copy of the kind of system that existed in the allocations and rationing system in the UK during WW2.

Oh gods, don't give Boris the idea that he is to the pandemic what Churchill was to the war.

I think it was Attlee who said that the war period and its immediate aftermath was the closest that the UK has ever come to full socialism, so I'm not sure BoJo would like that comparison. :p
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Postby Jabberwocky » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:00 am

Mrs. J and I have been vaccinated. While this does not confer invulnerability, I feel a little more comfortable.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:05 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Feel free to take the state sponsored Russian or Chinese shot anytime you like.

Capitalism produced multiple seemingly safe and effective shots within a year.


Astra Zeneca was funded by the state and based on the work from a state funded university.

Their vaccines are being sold at cost.

Partially funded. And sold at cost for now. The Pfizer shot is low balled now to for the emergency, for the yearly shot the price will rise.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:10 pm

More evidence arises of cognitive dysfunction in 'long haul' non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients

A team of researchers at Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine has found more evidence of cognitive dysfunction in many "long haul," non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients. In their paper published in the journal Annals of Clinical and Translational Neurology, the group describes their study of medical data for non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients across 21 states who were experiencing long-term symptoms from the disease and what they learned from it.[...] The researchers found that approximately 85% of those patients they studied were reported to have had at least four neurological symptoms—the most common were brain fog, headaches and numbness or tingling. Other common symptoms included loss of taste and/or smell, blurred vision, dizziness and ringing in the ears. They noted that many of the patients described such symptoms as coming and going, and most reported their symptoms lasting for several months—some for as long as nine.

The researchers also found that many of those patients they studied had reported feeling depressed or anxious prior to their infection, which could suggest a heightened risk of long-haul symptoms for people with similar conditions. They also acknowledge that their study was small, but suggest it was large enough to show that long-haul patients may need more care than has been realized.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/545088-white-house-11m-johnson-johnson-doses-coming-next-week-hitting-march-target

White House: 11M Johnson & Johnson doses coming next week


This is great! I feel that the Johnson & Johnson should be allocated to pharmacies and/or areas that have been underserved and lack personal care, since it’s a one and done.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:20 pm

Former CDC director believes COVID-19 came from a lab.

This is...interesting. While the WHO says the lab theory is unlikely, I think that the CCP hasn’t been honest on COVID’s origins. Now, I don’t believe that the CCP deliberately released this virus on to the world, but Dr. Redfield had access to data that 99% of the population doesn’t have access too. Also, I think the speed that variants have emerged goes against the theory that this virus was nature made.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:22 pm

2 new cases in Australia over the past two days. One is a mystery case and the other a close contact of that mystery case. Both in Brisbane. Palaszczuk is urging Queenslanders to hang out outdoors rather than indoors and enjoy the warm, sunny weather
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:50 pm

Kowani wrote:California to expand vaccine eligibility

California is dramatically expanding the eligibility for COVID-19 vaccines, offering the shots to virtually all residents 16 and older beginning next month, the state announced Thursday.

Residents who are at least 50 years old can get vaccines starting April 1, and all Californians 16 and older will be eligible starting April 15.

Guess I'll be eligible by April 15th, then.

Was expecting to get it later on in the summer or autumn as part of a university requirement, which I'd probably still end up doing.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:51 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... -Otpbg&utm

Pfizer Covid vaccine produces ‘robust’ antibody response after first dose, new study shows

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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:55 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:And it just shows that BoJo's claim that the success of it was due to greed and capitalism etc is just total shit. If anything its development and subsequent distribution is an almost complete carbon-copy of the kind of system that existed in the allocations and rationing system in the UK during WW2.

Oh gods, don't give Boris the idea that he is to the pandemic what Churchill was to the war.

After World War II was over, Churchill lost the 1945 election in a landslide. Just sayin'...

And I don't think it's a matter of giving Boris the idea, not when he and the government have already used wartime language and called for "Blitz spirit" for months. The attempts to compare fighting COVID to fighting world war II and all our ancestors endured with restrictions and pulling together to defeat an enemy -- and thus encourage people to see Boris Johnson as some kind of latter-day Churchill -- is clearly there.

But, his attempts at appearing the "great wartime leader" have fallen somewhat short (I am no particular fan of Churchill, but at least he managed to look competent, unlike our PM who is often pictured looking totally clueless in every setting -- and that's to say nothing of his actual record). But, even if he had pulled it off, history shows such leaders don't generally storm the polls come peacetime.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:31 pm

IRS says face masks, hand sanitizer, and other personal medical expenses can be tax write-offs under certain circumstances

Americans can write off the purchase of face masks, hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes and other personal protective equipment as medical expenses on their taxes if they were bought for the primary purpose of preventing the spread of the coronavirus, the IRS announced Friday.

Taxpayers can only qualify for the deduction if they have medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of their adjusted gross income and they itemize their tax returns, which very few do. However, Americans who take a standard deduction can use health flexible spending arrangements, Archer medical savings accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts to pay for the costs of PPE.
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Postby The 189 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:42 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Kowani wrote:California to expand vaccine eligibility

California is dramatically expanding the eligibility for COVID-19 vaccines, offering the shots to virtually all residents 16 and older beginning next month, the state announced Thursday.

Residents who are at least 50 years old can get vaccines starting April 1, and all Californians 16 and older will be eligible starting April 15.

Guess I'll be eligible by April 15th, then.

Was expecting to get it later on in the summer or autumn as part of a university requirement, which I'd probably still end up doing.


Being eligible doesn't necessarily mean you can get an appointment anyway. I'm not in Cali, but I am eligible for the vaccine in my home state, and all the appointments are full! :(
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Postby The 189 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:37 am

North Washington Republic wrote:Also, I think the speed that variants have emerged goes against the theory that this virus was nature made.


This is outrageously wrong.

We know for a fact that the variants are evolving without any help from a lab. If the virus has an easy time evolving new variants without help, then it would also have an easier time making the original jump to humans without help.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:42 am

The 189 wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Guess I'll be eligible by April 15th, then.

Was expecting to get it later on in the summer or autumn as part of a university requirement, which I'd probably still end up doing.


Being eligible doesn't necessarily mean you can get an appointment anyway. I'm not in Cali, but I am eligible for the vaccine in my home state, and all the appointments are full! :(

Yep, so I'd probably be getting it during the summer or fall.

Hope it opens up in your state soon!
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Postby Kowani » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:47 am

North Washington Republic wrote:Former CDC director believes COVID-19 came from a lab.

This is...interesting. While the WHO says the lab theory is unlikely, I think that the CCP hasn’t been honest on COVID’s origins. Now, I don’t believe that the CCP deliberately released this virus on to the world, but Dr. Redfield had access to data that 99% of the population doesn’t have access too. Also, I think the speed that variants have emerged goes against the theory that this virus was nature made.

Note: the available evidence suggests that this being manufactured in a lab is pretty much impossible
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:42 am

Kowani wrote:IRS says face masks, hand sanitizer, and other personal medical expenses can be tax write-offs under certain circumstances

Americans can write off the purchase of face masks, hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes and other personal protective equipment as medical expenses on their taxes if they were bought for the primary purpose of preventing the spread of the coronavirus, the IRS announced Friday.

Taxpayers can only qualify for the deduction if they have medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of their adjusted gross income and they itemize their tax returns, which very few do. However, Americans who take a standard deduction can use health flexible spending arrangements, Archer medical savings accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts to pay for the costs of PPE.


Oh yeah, drop that hint right after I submit my tax forms. Thanks IRS.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:43 am

Kowani wrote:IRS says face masks, hand sanitizer, and other personal medical expenses can be tax write-offs under certain circumstances

Americans can write off the purchase of face masks, hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes and other personal protective equipment as medical expenses on their taxes if they were bought for the primary purpose of preventing the spread of the coronavirus, the IRS announced Friday.

Taxpayers can only qualify for the deduction if they have medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of their adjusted gross income and they itemize their tax returns, which very few do. However, Americans who take a standard deduction can use health flexible spending arrangements, Archer medical savings accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts to pay for the costs of PPE.

Oh cool, I hadn't heard this yet.

That means I can reimburse myself for it from my health savings account.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:44 am

Rusozak wrote:
Kowani wrote:IRS says face masks, hand sanitizer, and other personal medical expenses can be tax write-offs under certain circumstances

Americans can write off the purchase of face masks, hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes and other personal protective equipment as medical expenses on their taxes if they were bought for the primary purpose of preventing the spread of the coronavirus, the IRS announced Friday.

Taxpayers can only qualify for the deduction if they have medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of their adjusted gross income and they itemize their tax returns, which very few do. However, Americans who take a standard deduction can use health flexible spending arrangements, Archer medical savings accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts to pay for the costs of PPE.


Oh yeah, drop that hint right after I submit my tax forms. Thanks IRS.

If you have an HSA, there's no time limit for reimbursement.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:46 am

Galloism wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Oh yeah, drop that hint right after I submit my tax forms. Thanks IRS.

If you have an HSA, there's no time limit for reimbursement.

I thought it was yearly? No?
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