Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Thermodolia]

"Social costs"?

If you're incapable of engaging socially at six feet from someone, or whilst wearing a mask, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah you can make a connection with someone via eyes only. It’s also harder to hear people.

Dude I literally have major trouble hearing. Sure it sucks having to ask them to repeat themselves a bit louder but i suffer through it because being dead or sick is worse

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So restaurants will need to adapt.

If you let restaurants open up during the pandemic at full capacity you'll just kick the can down the road. Now they can't get full capacity because people are not allowed to, later they can't get full capacity because more people are getting sick again and re-prioritizing their monthly expenses.

Your personal enjoyment of life - which apparently is paramount to you - is dependent on people being there to provide you with goods and services, and they're no good sick or dead.

Getting sick is a part of life. Covid is here to stay and there is no reason to permanently restructure society over it. Let chips fall where they may at this point and if some places fail
Then they do.

Trump? Is that you?

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Not when you binge 6 seasons of Criminal Minds in a day. I'm still mad they don't have the last two seasons on Netflix.

I like to do things instead of sitting at home. I like to see faces but I’ve given up on that. I’m extroverted but it is what it is. Might as well just accept it.

Dude I’m also extroverted and it sucks ass but hey ya gotta do what ya gotta do and suck it up so we can end this

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In fairness, restaurants specifically are only a few centuries old and weren't around in the 14th Century. As in, an elegantly decorated establishment where you're served by sharply dressed waiters. Which is obviously what San Lumen's been talking about this whole time. He's not concerned with a humble greasy spoon, but with the kind of place that charges $150 for a steak that could fit in your wallet.

https://imgur.com/sEqXYhu

That’ll be $350

[Thermodolia]

"NeoNaziPigMolestor". What a name.

From the same picture sharing site that brought forth ElbowDeepInAHorse as a prominent member.

And AbortedFetus

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How do you not understand that the people who haven't gotten the vaccine at this point don't want it lol

There are also people who are allergic to the vaccines that are currently authorized. They're not all anti-vaxxers.

Well considering that the vaccine in question is made from mRNA it’s unlikely that people will be allergic to it.

That tends to only happen if it’s a live virus that’s grown in eggs.

There are also people who are allergic to the vaccines that are currently authorized. They're not all anti-vaxxers.

How many?

Not enough to cause concern or an issue

[95X]

From a while back:

I for one support mandatory vaccinations; the USA already requires things like K-12 school attendance, requiring male-bodied individuals to sign up for Selective Service, paying taxes, at one point required paying a "Shared Responsibility Payment" if someone didn't have health insurance, etc., here people are being offered a free of user fee vaccine that decreases the transmission rate of a deadly virus therefore it makes sense for the government to mandate it.

I disagree, I believe it would be proper governance. Especially if it is top-down nationwide governance.

Maybe for a European country, not in a country where the individual rights are paramount.

How about my "individual right" to not get Coronavirus?

If you made masks permanent how are children supposed to ever learn to speak properly or learn facial expression?

Maybe society changes to rely only on the verbal utterances of the speaker?

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Earlier today, I read on CBS News' website it turns out the CDC changing their mind was based on FACTS and DATA (Emphasis added is my own):

[…]In Provincetown [MA], CDC researchers — as well as local, state and university scientists and investigators — had turned up 469 cases of COVID-19 among Massachusetts residents who traveled to the Cape Cod resort starting on the Fourth of July weekend.

A total of 346 of those cases, or around three in four patients, were in fully vaccinated people. A majority of those had symptoms and nearly all had the delta variant. However, no deaths were reported and only five were hospitalized, suggesting the vaccine's goal of reducing the severity of the disease remained successful. […]

So, vaccines make the delta variant less severe, but even fully vaccinated people can contract it and infect others, including the unvaccinated. Is it any wonder why some of us (myself included), support mandatory vaccination?

[Necroghastia]

Getting sick is a part of life. Covid is here to stay and there is no reason to permanently restructure society over it. Let chips fall where they may at this point and if some places fail
Then they do.

Trump? Is that you?

Governing should not be done by opinion poll. Plus its beginning to become apparent some experts want it to be permanent and they should just admit it publicly.

Doctors and nurses should just do their jobs and stop complaining. End it all and get back to living. If I was prime minister I’d stick to the end date and tell the experts to be quiet and ban lockdowns.

Lest we forget...

[Thermodolia]

From a while back:

Maybe for a European country, not in a country where the individual rights are paramount.

How about my "individual right" to not get Coronavirus?

If you made masks permanent how are children supposed to ever learn to speak properly or learn facial expression?

Maybe society changes to rely only on the verbal utterances of the speaker?

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Earlier today, I read on CBS News' website it turns out the CDC changing their mind was based on FACTS and DATA (Emphasis added is my own):

[…]In Provincetown [MA], CDC researchers — as well as local, state and university scientists and investigators — had turned up 469 cases of COVID-19 among Massachusetts residents who traveled to the Cape Cod resort starting on the Fourth of July weekend.

A total of 346 of those cases, or around three in four patients, were in fully vaccinated people. A majority of those had symptoms and nearly all had the delta variant. However, no deaths were reported and only five were hospitalized, suggesting the vaccine's goal of reducing the severity of the disease remained successful. […]

So, vaccines make the delta variant less severe, but even fully vaccinated people can contract it and infect others, including the unvaccinated. Is it any wonder why some of us (myself included), support mandatory vaccination?

I’ve said before that a vaccine is like a life vest. Sure you are still going to end up in the water but you aren’t going to drown.

[Necroghastia]

If you made masks permanent how are children supposed to ever learn to speak properly or learn facial expression?

jeez i realized this was dumb but it just now hit me exactly how dumb this is
do you think parents will wear masks 24/7 in their own homes or something?

[Vassenor]

And now it turns out that despite Lumen's edicts that it be considered impossible Broadway theaters are trying out mandatory masking for audience members.

[95X]

I’ve said before that a vaccine is like a life vest. Sure you are still going to end up in the water but you aren’t going to drown.

IMVHO, I think the only reason restrictions were relaxed were to appease those who wanted to see them do so. It won't at all surprise me in the slightest if we're back to partial if not full shutdowns sooner than later. *95X facepalms*

[Heloin]

I’ve said before that a vaccine is like a life vest. Sure you are still going to end up in the water but you aren’t going to drown.

IMVHO, I think the only reason restrictions were relaxed were to appease those who wanted to see them do so. It won't at all surprise me in the slightest if we're back to partial if not full shutdowns sooner than later. *95X facepalms*

This is the song that never ends!
It just on and on my friend!

[The Black Forrest]

Of course it could still make a profit. There just wouldn’t be as much of it. And I bet production costs could be cut too. You seem fixated on the idea that there is only one way to run things. Refit the theaters for 25%,
and charge three times as much. Supply would then contract to meet the new demand.

And you miss the point. Those lives were saved quite apart from covid by masks and social distancing. It’s a permanent state of affairs which means it requires a permanent adjustment. It’s not just about covid or any particular pathogen. If everyone was tied to doing things the way they’d always been we’d still have sweatshops and asbestos blankets… maybe this is time to think about changing the way things are done once again.

No it wouldn't. The amount of money you'd have to charge to make a profit would make it unfeasible for many to go. Your also not considering the rent. The landlord is not going to charge less. Land value is a thing too. Or are they supposed to take a reduced profit and not be able to pay their bills?

Are you not seeing the snowball effect of what your suggesting?


If you made masks permanent how are children supposed to ever learn to speak properly or learn facial expression?

What? Ok you might want to expand on what you are trying to say here. Facial expressions with human are different from an ape. For example; a smile is a bad thing to measure as a predator smiles as well in order to put a person at ease.

Sweatshops is a bad example. Conditions never needed to be that way. Regulations to prevent things like the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire could have been done before the tragedy happened.

Regulations and enforcement are two different things. Age discrimination happens all the time and yet enforcement effort is minor.

Limiting disease in the method your suggested would cause severe economic hard and have a detrimental effect on mental health and not do much to combat something that will never go away.

Well you see? Unlike you mental health is adapting. There is much more online access. Companies have expanded in that area. My wifes company understood mental health with the lockdown and expanded the benefits to cover most aspects of mental health and hired a couple services specializing isolation and mental health.

People adapt. It's a concept which seems to be eluding you.

[Stellar Colonies]

So before the Fall 2020 and Spring 2021 semesters, I spent a while agonizing over whether choosing online was better under the circumstances and eventually decided that was the case.

Now getting the same opinion regarding Fall 2021...dammit, I miss normal unrestricted schools.

[The Black Forrest]

And now it turns out that despite Lumen's edicts that it be considered impossible Broadway theaters are trying out mandatory masking for audience members.

It's minor change considering the torture of what they call sitting and leg room.

[Tarsonis]

And now it turns out that despite Lumen's edicts that it be considered impossible Broadway theaters are trying out mandatory masking for audience members.

It's minor change considering the torture of what they call sitting and leg room.

I've only ever been to the Majestic, but I didn't think it was that bad.

[The Black Forrest]

So before the Fall 2020 and Spring 2021 semesters, I spent a while agonizing over whether choosing online was better under the circumstances and eventually decided that was the case.

Now getting the same opinion regarding Fall 2021...dammit, I miss normal unrestricted schools.

My kids school offered both. When covid hit; they were more then prepared for it. Sure it's nice to have fellow students and yet online; you can still talk to them...interact with them. We do that with games and social media and yet there are those who suggest we are making future problems.

Online is not to be disparaged. If I could take a class from a famous professor; why would online diminish what he teaches?

[Tarsonis]

IMVHO, I think the only reason restrictions were relaxed were to appease those who wanted to see them do so. It won't at all surprise me in the slightest if we're back to partial if not full shutdowns sooner than later. *95X facepalms*

This is the song that never ends!
It just on and on my friend!

I hope you fall off a building, and just before you hit the ground Superman catches you, flies you up into the sky and then drops you from higher, for putting that into my head.

[Stellar Colonies]

So before the Fall 2020 and Spring 2021 semesters, I spent a while agonizing over whether choosing online was better under the circumstances and eventually decided that was the case.

Now getting the same opinion regarding Fall 2021...dammit, I miss normal unrestricted schools.

My kids school offered both. When covid hit; they were more then prepared for it. Sure it's nice to have fellow students and yet online; you can still talk to them...interact with them. We do that with games and social media and yet there are those who suggest we are making future problems.

Online is not to be disparaged. If I could take a class from a famous professor; why would online diminish what he teaches?

In many ways I do like online, although I'm worried about it stunting how well I do when I return to onsite classes due to my social skills being out of whack, with or without remote contact with other students.

[Kowani]

Minor crosspost, but: House adjourns without extending eviction moratorium

[Kannap]

Remember last year when I predicted summer 2021 would be the beginning of the end, heh heh, remember that?

Looks like it's just the beginning all over again. How we've come to make it a year and a half just to circle back to square one is an abysmal failure on society's part.

[The Black Forrest]

It's minor change considering the torture of what they call sitting and leg room.

I've only ever been to the Majestic, but I didn't think it was that bad.

On Broadway right? Yea now that you mention it; it wasn't that bad.

I have been to many others where I have to sit a weird angles to fit in. Note: I am 5'10'' Poor Mrs. Bumi is 6'2'' Going to the bathroom means climbing over everybody else as there is NO maneuver room. It's part of that "profit" lumen talks about.

[Kannap]

Minor crosspost, but: House adjourns without extending eviction moratorium

hmmmmmmmm once again proof the government doesn't give a shit about us.

[Heloin]

This is the song that never ends!
It just on and on my friend!

I hope you fall off a building, and just before you hit the ground Superman catches you, flies you up into the sky and then drops you from higher, for putting that into my head.

（〜^∇^)〜

[Kannap]

I've only ever been to the Majestic, but I didn't think it was that bad.

On Broadway right? Yea now that you mention it; it wasn't that bad.

I have been to many others where I have to sit a weird angles to fit in. Note: I am 5'10'' Poor Mrs. Bumi is 6'2'' Going to the bathroom means climbing over everybody else as there is NO maneuver room. It's part of that "profit" lumen talks about.

*adds Broadway theaters to the list of industries without leg room that I want to see go out of business, right below airlines*

[North Washington Republic]

Am I the only one that finds KN95 masks to be more comfortable than the blue surgical masks or a cloth mask?

[Kowani]

In South Africa, refusing a covid vaccine could drive up your life insurance premium

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Am I the only one that finds KN95 masks to be more comfortable than the blue surgical masks or a cloth mask?

They’re more comfortable. Because they tend to end in a slight peak, this keeps them away from the nose and mouth, which makes breathing way easier. This also helps with the breakouts you can get with the blue masks.