Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[The Free Joy State]

I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.

I looked at their menu. What should be a bigger outrage is that they put cream in their spaghetti carbonara.

How could they?

I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.

How do you even prove that you're unvaccinated?

Walk in wearing an offensive badge and ranting ludicrous non-sequiturs like: "I ain't not getting no vaccine no how... lizard people... Mothra... tiny microchips... Superman powers... space lasers... wake up, people"?

Have you seen pictures or do you want regulators to harass businesses owned by people you disagree with politically?

It's a gut feeling. I wouldn't feel particularly safe eating at some place where the owners didn't give a fuck about one species of microorganisms. Who knows, they might not give a fuck about E coli either.

Yes, their kitchen should probably be checked for hygiene.

If a place -- especially one serving food -- doesn't care about spreading one potentially deathly organism, it doesn't say anything good.

[Esternial]

It's perfectly reasonable to treat everyone like a risk unless they can verify they are not. Security checkpoints at the airport do just that.

The over the top security theatre at airports is 'reasonable' now?

If it's over the top then your statement in itself means it's not reasonable.

But expecting airplane passengers to go through some degree of checks (i.e. metal detector & luggage scan) is a reasonable requirement.

Of course, like all people, we only care if it suits us. I'm plenty frustrated with our Security team imposing all sorts of over-the-top security requirements - which protect our company from intrusion. A lot of people only realize they need security after actually encountering a breach, and until that happens everyone complains about it. It's a thankless job.

[The Free Joy State]

It's perfectly reasonable to treat everyone like a risk unless they can verify they are not. Security checkpoints at the airport do just that.

The over the top security theatre at airports is 'reasonable' now?

The fact that you called the measures "over the top" suggests you think not.

However, the security we have at airports came in following several high-profile hijacking incidents (memorably, 9/11). While some people may find it frustrating, it is also a necessary protection for the public.

Similarly, ensuring people are vaccinated before attending large events (which, really, they should not be waiting until September to reintroduce) and ensuring everyone sanitises their hands upon entry are necessary, reasonable measures for the protection of the public. Masking would be another reasonable measure, until the virus is in remission, and I hope the scientists manage to prevail the importance upon the government.

[Ifreann]

How do you even prove that you're unvaccinated?

Walk in wearing an offensive badge and ranting ludicrous non-sequiturs like: "I ain't not getting no vaccine no how... lizard people... Mothra... tiny microchips... Superman powers... space lasers... wake up, people"?

Going into this restaurant with an "UNVACCINATED" t-shirt, eating half my meal, then jumping up on the table to dramatically reveal that the "UN-" was just a sticker. You fools, I was vaccinated the whole time!

[Tinhampton]

The over the top security theatre at airports is 'reasonable' now?

The fact that you called the measures "over the top" suggests you think not.

However, the security we have at airports came in following several high-profile hijacking incidents (memorably, 9/11). While some people may find it frustrating, it is also a necessary protection for the public.

Similarly, ensuring people are vaccinated before attending large events (which, really, they should not be waiting until September to reintroduce) and ensuring everyone sanitises their hands upon entry are necessary, reasonable measures for the protection of the public. Masking would be another reasonable measure, until the virus is in remission, and I hope the scientists manage to prevail the importance upon the government.

So why weren't we doing any of this on July 27th 2001 1991 1981 1971 1961 1951?

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[Tarsonis]

Once more and you get a book deal to tell your story of being silenced by the woke mob.

I was just pointing out some important precedents from the early twentieth century that have been done away with, there are quite a lot of them.

Unfortunately Jacobson hasn't actually been done away with. Not formally anyway, it's been successfully invoked during the pandemic.

Mandatory vaccination however seen as uncouth by most people, even if desirable. So politicians are loathe to actually implement the policy as it would likely be career suicide

[The Free Joy State]

The fact that you called the measures "over the top" suggests you think not.

However, the security we have at airports came in following several high-profile hijacking incidents (memorably, 9/11). While some people may find it frustrating, it is also a necessary protection for the public.

Similarly, ensuring people are vaccinated before attending large events (which, really, they should not be waiting until September to reintroduce) and ensuring everyone sanitises their hands upon entry are necessary, reasonable measures for the protection of the public. Masking would be another reasonable measure, until the virus is in remission, and I hope the scientists manage to prevail the importance upon the government.

So why weren't we doing any of this on July 27th 2001 1991 1981 1971 1961 1951?

Interestingly enough, 100 years ago physicians encouraged social distancing and good hygiene to prevent the spread of flu; in Italy, in 1918-1919, schools were closed. A sporting event that 10,000 youths would attend, in Paris, was postponed. Yale cancelled on-campus meetings and some Italian churches suspended funeral processions and confession. Many churches and theatres in the Western world were closed, large gatherings were suspended. Unfortunately, the measures were implemented late and in a disordered manner; by the time many were introduced, more lives were lost than needed to have been.

Why these steps weren't used more in the interim; ask the governments. But they are hardly unprecedented.

Historically, the very first lockdown was back in the time of the 1347-1352 Plague. Some city states placed a sanitary cordon around them, patrolled by armed guards, that was not to be broken under pain of death; no stranger could enter (we have moved beyond such enforcement, thank goodness; but it is an interesting historical footnote).

[Esternial]

The fact that you called the measures "over the top" suggests you think not.

However, the security we have at airports came in following several high-profile hijacking incidents (memorably, 9/11). While some people may find it frustrating, it is also a necessary protection for the public.

Similarly, ensuring people are vaccinated before attending large events (which, really, they should not be waiting until September to reintroduce) and ensuring everyone sanitises their hands upon entry are necessary, reasonable measures for the protection of the public. Masking would be another reasonable measure, until the virus is in remission, and I hope the scientists manage to prevail the importance upon the government.

So why weren't we doing any of this on July 27th 2001 1991 1981 1971 1961 1951?
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Read they post they were replying to and you'll have already an inkling towards your answer.

Mankind in general is more reactive than anything else, because we live through our experiences. It generally takes a lot more effort to have people work and think proactively (and predictively) rather than reactively.

If too much time passes without some event validating the presence of a certain freedom-limiting procedure or whatnot, people will start questioning its presence. Unfortunately, it's sometimes hard to prove a negative - an absence of events due to that procedure being in place.

[The Reformed American Republic]

That's twice you've just quoted a post talking about Jacobson while offering no commentary. What exactly is your point here?

wtf? I wrote out quite a long reply to that, I've no idea what happened.

That happened to me as well.

[CoraSpia]

So why weren't we doing any of this on July 27th 2001 1991 1981 1971 1961 1951?
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Read they post they were replying to and you'll have already an inkling towards your answer.

Mankind in general is more reactive than anything else, because we live through our experiences. It generally takes a lot more effort to have people work and think proactively (and predictively) rather than reactively.

If too much time passes without some event validating the presence of a certain freedom-limiting procedure or whatnot, people will start questioning its presence. Unfortunately, it's sometimes hard to prove a negative - an absence of events due to that procedure being in place.

So we just like kneejerk reactions, even though they're almost always terrible.

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's perfectly reasonable to treat everyone like a risk unless they can verify they are not. Security checkpoints at the airport do just that.

The over the top security theatre at airports is 'reasonable' now?

You do have a point there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

That being said, Covid-19 measures are not mere theater. To be honest, I do not want to have to wear a mask again, and I will be pissed off even more at anti-vaxxers if I have to.

[CoraSpia]

The over the top security theatre at airports is 'reasonable' now?

You do have a point there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

That being said, Covid-19 measures are not mere theater. To be honest, I do not want to have to wear a mask again, and I will be pissed off even more at anti-vaxxers if I have to.

Security theatre has definitely happened with covid. See for example when the UK government imposed a mandatory early closing time on pubs despite absolutely no influence it slowed the spread, or all the random alcohol bans and curfews that have happened around the world.

[San Lumen]

No it won't. We are not going to have on and off masks and in my view reinstating them would destroy there credibility and create less incentive to get the vaccine. They should leave guidelines as they are and say to people if you don't get the vaccine its on you.

The Centre of Disease Control should, in your opinion, say "We're through controlling this disease, do whatever you want". And you think that this would preserve their credibility.

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I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.

How do you even prove that you're unvaccinated?

How would that undermine it? Vaccines were touted as the endgame. They should not be changing guidelines or moving goalposts.

Doing this is likely to make some people go why bother getting the shot since it changes nothing?

[Alvecia]

The Centre of Disease Control should, in your opinion, say "We're through controlling this disease, do whatever you want". And you think that this would preserve their credibility.

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How do you even prove that you're unvaccinated?

How would that undermine it? Vaccines were touted as the endgame. They should not be changing guidelines or moving goalposts.

Doing this is likely to make some people go why bother getting the shot since it changes nothing?

"Scientists should not be coming to new conclusions based on new evidence"

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Vaccines were touted as the endgame. They should not be changing guidelines or moving goalposts.

You know what refusal to revise your opinions or options in the face of new evidence or developments is? Dogmatism. Religious dogmatism.

[Ifreann]

The Centre of Disease Control should, in your opinion, say "We're through controlling this disease, do whatever you want". And you think that this would preserve their credibility.

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How do you even prove that you're unvaccinated?

How would that undermine it?

Very obviously it would undermine the credibility of the Centre of Disease Control to give up on trying to control a disease. Extremely obviously.

Vaccines were touted as the endgame. They should not be changing guidelines or moving goalposts.

Vaccines were only touted as the endgame in your own imagination, and the CDC has to deal with the real world.

Doing this is likely to make some people go why bother getting the shot since it changes nothing?

Maybe if you want this pandemic to end you should try to convince those people to get vaccinated.

[The Reformed American Republic]

How do you even prove that you're unvaccinated?

It's just right-wing virtue signaling.

[San Lumen]

How would that undermine it?

Very obviously it would undermine the credibility of the Centre of Disease Control to give up on trying to control a disease. Extremely obviously.

Vaccines were touted as the endgame. They should not be changing guidelines or moving goalposts.

Vaccines were only touted as the endgame in your own imagination, and the CDC has to deal with the real world.

Doing this is likely to make some people go why bother getting the shot since it changes nothing?

Maybe if you want this pandemic to end you should try to convince those people to get vaccinated.

And some point life must resume and they should just accept that.

They were absolutely touted as the endgame.

And if we can’t convince them?

I did my part and stayed home. I got the vaccine. Those whose got the vaccine shouldn’t have to suffer because people can’t get off their butts.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And some point life must resume and they should just accept that.

They were absolutely touted as the endgame.

And if we can’t convince them?

You should know by now that you are deep in the religious fanaticism area and that this whole "i need my life to go back to 2018, damned be the consequences" shtick stopped being endearing about a year ago. You have basically adopted all of the GOP talking points on COVID19.

[Fartsniffage]

Very obviously it would undermine the credibility of the Centre of Disease Control to give up on trying to control a disease. Extremely obviously.

Vaccines were only touted as the endgame in your own imagination, and the CDC has to deal with the real world.


Maybe if you want this pandemic to end you should try to convince those people to get vaccinated.

And some point life must resume and they should just accept that.

They were absolutely touted as the endgame.

And if we can’t convince them?

I did my part and stayed home. I got the vaccine. Those whose got the vaccine shouldn’t have to suffer because people can’t get off their butts.

Quite right. I knew you'd come around on the idea of vaccine passports.

[The Reformed American Republic]

And some point life must resume and they should just accept that.

They were absolutely touted as the endgame.

And if we can’t convince them?

I did my part and stayed home. I got the vaccine. Those whose got the vaccine shouldn’t have to suffer because people can’t get off their butts.

Quite right. I knew you'd come around on the idea of vaccine passports.

Thankfully I still have my card.

[Ethel mermania]

Well a month ago we were having 100 cases or so q day. Today we are up to 1000. The difference is mask mandates were dropped. The same amount of people are vaccinated. ( and in nyc, it ain't Trump supporters who are unvaccinated). Folks are blaming the unvaccinated when the only change was the mask mandates being lifted.

Honestly to me it feels like a witch hunt.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Well a month ago we were having 100 cases or so q day. Today we are up to 1000. The difference is mask mandates were dropped. The same amount of people are vaccinated. ( and in nyc, it ain't Trump supporters who are unvaccinated). Folks are blaming the unvaccinated when the only change was the mask mandates being lifted.

Honestly to me it feels like a witch hunt.

Not with all this conspiracy nonsense going around with people outright acting like vaccines are oppression. Plus, we'll be wearing masks for a very long time if the anti-vaxxers don't budge.

[Ifreann]

Very obviously it would undermine the credibility of the Centre of Disease Control to give up on trying to control a disease. Extremely obviously.

Vaccines were only touted as the endgame in your own imagination, and the CDC has to deal with the real world.


Maybe if you want this pandemic to end you should try to convince those people to get vaccinated.

And some point life must resume and they should just accept that.

Life only stopped for the 4 million people who died.

They were absolutely touted as the endgame.

Only in your imagination.

And if we can’t convince them?

Then we'll all die of covid 19 omega.

I did my part and stayed home. I got the vaccine. Those whose got the vaccine shouldn’t have to suffer because people can’t get off their butts.

This isn't about you, it's a global public health emergency. Your reward for following public health advice is being alive.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well a month ago we were having 100 cases or so q day. Today we are up to 1000. The difference is mask mandates were dropped. The same amount of people are vaccinated. ( and in nyc, it ain't Trump supporters who are unvaccinated). Folks are blaming the unvaccinated when the only change was the mask mandates being lifted.

Honestly to me it feels like a witch hunt.

Not with all this conspiracy nonsense going around with people outright acting like vaccines are oppression. Plus, we'll be wearing masks for a very long time if the anti-vaxxers don't budge.

I saw a guy on facebook call double vaccination or negative test requirements for Belsonic (music venue in belfast) "Medical Apartheid"


The Human Race is a failure, i cant wait till the Dwarfs replace us and Earth has 1000 years of the Karaz Ankor.