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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby North Washington Republic » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:46 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it won't. We are not going to have on and off masks and in my view reinstating them would destroy there credibility and create less incentive to get the vaccine. They should leave guidelines as they are and say to people if you don't get the vaccine its on you.


Your distaste for another round of mask mandates doesn't downplay the very real possibility that they may come back in many states and locales. I might not like it either, but the fact is it seems growingly likely.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I would just mandate the vaccine unless someone medically cannot get it.


I'm sure you know this, but the legality behind whether or not the federal govt can mandate vaccines is so murky that there is no chance they'd attempt it.


I can see a handful of progressive cites impose their own mask mandates, but I don’t see many states imposing mask mandates again.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:17 pm

Major-Tom wrote:I'm sure you know this, but the legality behind whether or not the federal govt can mandate vaccines is so murky that there is no chance they'd attempt it.

SCOTUS says yes.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:24 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:I'm sure you know this, but the legality behind whether or not the federal govt can mandate vaccines is so murky that there is no chance they'd attempt it.

SCOTUS says yes.


I don’t see too many states implementing vaccine requirements. Maybe with the exception of Vermont.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:This will continue unless everyone who can be vaccinated is vaccinated, which, without mandatory vaccinations, will never occur.


No it won't. We are not going to have on and off masks and in my view reinstating them would destroy there credibility and create less incentive to get the vaccine. They should leave guidelines as they are and say to people if you don't get the vaccine its on you.

I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:40 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it won't. We are not going to have on and off masks and in my view reinstating them would destroy there credibility and create less incentive to get the vaccine. They should leave guidelines as they are and say to people if you don't get the vaccine its on you.

I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.

I looked at their menu. What should be a bigger outrage is that they put cream in their spaghetti carbonara.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:45 am

Esternial wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.

I looked at their menu. What should be a bigger outrage is that they put cream in their spaghetti carbonara.


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Postby Esalia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:52 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:This will continue unless everyone who can be vaccinated is vaccinated, which, without mandatory vaccinations, will never occur.


No it won't. We are not going to have on and off masks and in my view reinstating them would destroy there credibility and create less incentive to get the vaccine. They should leave guidelines as they are and say to people if you don't get the vaccine its on you.


I love the idea that reinstating masks will destroy credibility.

Among whom will it destroy credibility? You have the people who listen to the CDC already, who I imagine care enough about dealing with covid that they won't magically go "the CDC reinstated masks? Truly, they have lost all credibility!", and the people who don't already listen to the CDC either out of indifference (which it won't change) or because of conspiracies (which means they already don't find the CDC credible).

So if there is some mystical group out there that stuck with the CDC through the past year and a half but would randomly give up following the CDC if they bring back masks and they're significant enough to outweigh any and all benefits from bringing back masks, I want to know who they are.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:59 am

Esternial wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.

I looked at their menu. What should be a bigger outrage is that they put cream in their spaghetti carbonara.

All jokes aside, the authorities should unironically inspect this place for mice, cockroaches and other... less pleasant creatures. Also E coli.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:14 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:I'm sure you know this, but the legality behind whether or not the federal govt can mandate vaccines is so murky that there is no chance they'd attempt it.

SCOTUS says yes.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:16 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Esternial wrote:I looked at their menu. What should be a bigger outrage is that they put cream in their spaghetti carbonara.

All jokes aside, the authorities should unironically inspect this place for mice, cockroaches and other... less pleasant creatures. Also E coli.

Have you seen pictures or do you want regulators to harass businesses owned by people you disagree with politically?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:This will continue unless everyone who can be vaccinated is vaccinated, which, without mandatory vaccinations, will never occur.


No it won't. We are not going to have on and off masks and in my view reinstating them would destroy there credibility and create less incentive to get the vaccine. They should leave guidelines as they are and say to people if you don't get the vaccine its on you.

The Centre of Disease Control should, in your opinion, say "We're through controlling this disease, do whatever you want". And you think that this would preserve their credibility.


Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it won't. We are not going to have on and off masks and in my view reinstating them would destroy there credibility and create less incentive to get the vaccine. They should leave guidelines as they are and say to people if you don't get the vaccine its on you.

I mean if you do that you incentivise people like this and thus enable COVID19 to breed its way to an Omega variant.

How do you even prove that you're unvaccinated?
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:25 am


What is?
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:25 am


They missed the chance to put a sheep on that billboard.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:30 am

CoraSpia wrote:

What is?

A billboard in Nebraska that reads "You wouldn't skip vaccinating your cattle. Don't skip getting vaccinated for COVID-19." There are also two very stern looking cows.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:32 am

Ifreann wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:What is?

A billboard in Nebraska that reads "You wouldn't skip vaccinating your cattle. Don't skip getting vaccinated for COVID-19." There are also two very stern looking cows.

*disapproving mooing noises*
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:34 am

CoraSpia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:All jokes aside, the authorities should unironically inspect this place for mice, cockroaches and other... less pleasant creatures. Also E coli.

Have you seen pictures or do you want regulators to harass businesses owned by people you disagree with politically?

It's a gut feeling. I wouldn't feel particularly safe eating at some place where the owners didn't give a fuck about one species of microorganisms. Who knows, they might not give a fuck about E coli either.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:35 am

Brisketania wrote:...its nobody business but mine and my family if I got or didnt get the vaccine. Ever hear of HIPAA. Personal medical information. Its PRIVATE.


You might want to look up the actual HIPAA requirements. Your healthcare provider or insurer probably wouldn't be able to make your data public without your written approval (except in an anonymous form), but HIPAA does not stop someone ASKING you for your vaccinations status, for example.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:36 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Brisketania wrote:...its nobody business but mine and my family if I got or didnt get the vaccine. Ever hear of HIPAA. Personal medical information. Its PRIVATE.


You might want to look up the actual HIPAA requirements. Your healthcare provider or insurer probably wouldn't be able to make your data public without your written approval (except in an anonymous form), but HIPAA does not stop someone ASKING you for your vaccinations status, for example.

He's ofc welcome to not answer, and I'm equally welcome to treat him like a potential carrier.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:37 am

CoraSpia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:SCOTUS says yes.


That's twice you've just quoted a post talking about Jacobson while offering no commentary. What exactly is your point here?
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:39 am

Tarsonis wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:


That's twice you've just quoted a post talking about Jacobson while offering no commentary. What exactly is your point here?

wtf? I wrote out quite a long reply to that, I've no idea what happened.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:53 am

CoraSpia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That's twice you've just quoted a post talking about Jacobson while offering no commentary. What exactly is your point here?

wtf? I wrote out quite a long reply to that, I've no idea what happened.

Once more and you get a book deal to tell your story of being silenced by the woke mob.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:wtf? I wrote out quite a long reply to that, I've no idea what happened.

Once more and you get a book deal to tell your story of being silenced by the woke mob.

I was just pointing out some important precedents from the early twentieth century that have been done away with, there are quite a lot of them.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:06 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
You might want to look up the actual HIPAA requirements. Your healthcare provider or insurer probably wouldn't be able to make your data public without your written approval (except in an anonymous form), but HIPAA does not stop someone ASKING you for your vaccinations status, for example.

He's ofc welcome to not answer, and I'm equally welcome to treat him like a potential carrier.

It's perfectly reasonable to treat everyone like a risk unless they can verify they are not. Security checkpoints at the airport do just that.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:11 am

Esternial wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:He's ofc welcome to not answer, and I'm equally welcome to treat him like a potential carrier.

It's perfectly reasonable to treat everyone like a risk unless they can verify they are not. Security checkpoints at the airport do just that.


The over the top security theatre at airports is 'reasonable' now?
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