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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:21 pm


That seems to be the primary focus, but there is likely some anti-covid vaccine rhetoric being thrown around as well.

Edit: Will clarify that I haven't seen anything specific regarding this, so it is merely speculation on my part.
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Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

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The Confederacy & the WA.

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Postby Kannap » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:22 pm



In my experience hearing people bitch about the lockdown, a lot of them are against it because they don't believe COVID is that serious or dangerous and thus it makes sense they're also against the vaccine
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Postby Wahlid » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:58 pm

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Thoughts on racial disparities in the US for COVID-19 mortality rates

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I'm pretty sure most of the differences we see across racial groups are due to differences in average socioeconomic status and educational attainment. But there are still some interesting differences across racial groups, even after controlling for education.

1) Black Americans with post-secondary education have noticeably higher mortality rates than their White counterparts, while 2) Latinos have noticeably lower mortality rates than Whites and Blacks at every educational level. Meanwhile, 3) Asian/PI Americans' mortality rates resemble those of Latino Americans, but with drastically lower mortality rates at the Less-than-HS and postgraduate levels. (AIAN should be fairly obvious.)

I would attribute 1 to systemic anti-black racism within US society that contributes to increased stress among black Americans, and 2 to cultural factors that are peculiar to Hispanophone Latin America (strong family ties, celebratory attitude towards life and living) and their diaspora, although there might be some survivorship bias-like impact from the successful immigrant experience that persists for a couple generations?

3 is harder to explain, because idk why it would only apply to the least and most educated Asians/PIs. My best guess is that the relative recency of the Asian immigrant experience means that the "less than HS" Asian population is disproportionately elderly family reunification immigrants who live in multigenerational households with their adult children, while postgraduate educated immigrants tend to be more in touch their home countries' cultures, and likely to follow public health/social distancing protocol?

It's also possible that postgraduate Asians/PIs are more likely to work from home due to being less likely to be in clinical healthcare fields. But who knows.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:37 pm


Anti-vaxxers are a genuine threat to peoples wellbeing and lives, and this here is a prime example of it.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:21 pm

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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:26 pm


When you declare your healthcare workers to be the enemy of the people, honestly that’s just natural selection talking. All of these people are proud plague-spreaders and they make me even more supportive of mandated vaccine IDs. At some point the stupidity turned into malice, and once we have malice it needs to be culled by ostracizing these people from society until they get vaccinated.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:27 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:Guess what I will never do again?

Uhhhhhh skateboard? Ride a shark? Eat eel jelly?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:30 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Anti-vaxxers are a genuine threat to peoples wellbeing and lives, and this here is a prime example of it.


Be thankful that the Tories aren’t catering to these nutters like our right-wing party does.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:35 pm

Luminesa wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:Guess what I will never do again?

Uhhhhhh skateboard? Ride a shark? Eat eel jelly?

Never wear a mask again.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:37 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Uhhhhhh skateboard? Ride a shark? Eat eel jelly?

Never wear a mask again.

Why?
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Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:38 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Anti-vaxxers are a genuine threat to peoples wellbeing and lives, and this here is a prime example of it.


Be thankful that the Tories aren’t catering to these nutters like our right-wing party does.

Not everyone in the Republican Party is catering to the anti vaxxer crowd. I know for a fact that Governor Kay Ivey of Alabama wants people to get the vaccine.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:40 pm

Luminesa wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:Never wear a mask again.

Why?

Because I don't have to plus I'm vaccinated. I'm just following the science.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:46 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Be thankful that the Tories aren’t catering to these nutters like our right-wing party does.

Not everyone in the Republican Party is catering to the anti vaxxer crowd. I know for a fact that Governor Kay Ivey of Alabama wants people to get the vaccine.


Right, and from what I’ve seen online, Ivey and DeSantis are getting a lot of hate from anti-vaccine MAGAs.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:48 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:Not everyone in the Republican Party is catering to the anti vaxxer crowd. I know for a fact that Governor Kay Ivey of Alabama wants people to get the vaccine.


Right, and from what I’ve seen online, Ivey and DeSantis are getting a lot of hate from anti-vaccine MAGAs.


Online comments mean absolutely nothing.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Right, and from what I’ve seen online, Ivey and DeSantis are getting a lot of hate from anti-vaccine MAGAs.


Online comments mean absolutely nothing.


Well, there has been polling saying about half of Republicans outright refuse to get vaccinated.
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Postby Maricarland » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:51 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Uhhhhhh skateboard? Ride a shark? Eat eel jelly?

Never wear a mask again.


Why? Even before the pandemic, it was common in many countries to wear a mask when one was feeling sick with the cold or flu or something to avoid spreading it to others that was just good manners (something I wish was present in the U.S). Also, it was already being speculated before the pandemic that masks to help purify polluted air would become a common functional fashion accessory, like sunglasses, and some players in fashion were already thinking of ways to design new styles for masks. Masks also helps people to have more annonymity and to disguise their facial expressions, which can be very helpful for some neurodiverse people who struggle with social cues and expressions. Masks can help protect the face from UV radiation. Plenty of gender non-conforming people and non-binary people use masks to help disguise their jawline. Masks are great. Now I am not saying that they should be mandated (except during a public health emergency/natural disaster/PANDEMIC), or that they don't have problems (they can rub off sunscreen, irritate the skin on the face, cause a build up of humidity, etc...), or that they are appropriate in all cases (after all my deaf mother has had a lot of difficulty with not being able to read peoples lips), but we should not just categorically reject wearing a mask because of a negative experience during the Covid-19 pandemic.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:53 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Online comments mean absolutely nothing.


Well, there has been polling saying about half of Republicans outright refuse to get vacinated.


True but online comments have never been a predictor of anything, If they were my state would have elected its first female governor in 2018 or the incumbent having won the primary would have lost the general.

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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:59 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Online comments mean absolutely nothing.


Well, there has been polling saying about half of Republicans outright refuse to get vaccinated.

Some of those people who haven't gotten it are due to health reasons such as having an autoimmune disease.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:01 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Well, there has been polling saying about half of Republicans outright refuse to get vaccinated.

Some of those people who haven't gotten it are due to health reasons such as having an autoimmune disease.


Being unable to get vaccinated and outright refusing the vaccine are two deferent things. The VAST majority of those that remain unvaccinated is because they are refusing the vaccine.
I’m a Wesleyan Christian center-left American Patriot. 29 year-old male and I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Pro: Jesus, The Holy Bible, Constitutional Republic, representative democracy, efficient and comprehensive welfare state, neoconservatism, civic nationalism, cannabis legalization, $15 an hour min.wage, religious liberty, LGBTQIA rights, Law & Order, police, death penalty, sensible reform of law enforcement, racial equity, peace through strength, NATO, EU
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