Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Neutraligon]

Is anyone else sick of people demanding adulation for their hyperneurotic pandemic behavior? "I'm going to wear a mask for the rest of my life." Go for it, I'm not going to congratulate you. "I haven't left my house for non-essential reasons since March 2020." It's your life but if you want to be sainted, take it up with the Vatican.

I mean really, it's not like I don't have neurotic tendencies of my own, I'm always saying to my wife "don't leave the laptop open on the arm of the couch, the cat is going to knock it over!", I have to make sure the stove is off at least 3 times before leaving the house but I'm not waiting for my neighbors to thank me for saving them from a fiery death. I recognize my neurotic behavior as disordered, I don't flaunt it as a morally superior lifestyle.

And in 50 years from now when 1000 kids drop dead every day from being in the same zip code as a peanut as a result of ultra-sterilization, I won't be seeking praise for not contributing to it.

"I've been in my apartment for the whole pandemic and honestly I've kinda grown to like not seeing anyone." Yeah, because you're a fucking weirdo who should be kept away from everyone else anyhow. I'm sure that no one else wants to be around you either if you not only enjoyed lockdown but wish it would go on forever and deny other people a normal life. People who enjoyed lockdown and miss it are on the same level as people who think aliens are controlling their mind and only tinfoil can stop them. April 2020 was one of the top 10 worst months of my life and I would rather go on a three month vacation to the Syrian Civil War than go back to being trapped in my house unable to see my friends and out of work while corpses pile up in the cities.

Funny thing, I liked being able to work from home. A lot of my colleagues liked being able to work from home. Introverts exist. I do plan on wearing a mask during flu season or when I am feeling sick, as well as when I use public transportation.

[Tyrassueb]

I'm now fully vaccinated. Had a fairly bad reaction but that's pretty common for me and vaccines (I had to go to the hospital after getting a tetanus shot, for instance). Took some pain meds, drank some water, sipped some soup and slept like 16 hours. Not bad overall.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

"I've been in my apartment for the whole pandemic and honestly I've kinda grown to like not seeing anyone." Yeah, because you're a fucking weirdo who should be kept away from everyone else anyhow. I'm sure that no one else wants to be around you either if you not only enjoyed lockdown but wish it would go on forever and deny other people a normal life. People who enjoyed lockdown and miss it are on the same level as people who think aliens are controlling their mind and only tinfoil can stop them. April 2020 was one of the top 10 worst months of my life and I would rather go on a three month vacation to the Syrian Civil War than go back to being trapped in my house unable to see my friends and out of work while corpses pile up in the cities.

Funny thing, I liked being able to work from home. A lot of my colleagues liked being able to work from home. Introverts exist. I do plan on wearing a mask during flu season or when I am feeling sick, as well as when I use public transportation.

My issue isn't even that people wanna stay home. It's that they wish EVERYONE had to.

[Dakini]

It's been 14 days since my partner and I were vaccinated with the J&J vaccine, so we're as good as we're going to get as far as immunity goes.

We therefore had a housewarming party with a bunch of other vaccinated people (and one unvaccinated toddler). It was nice.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm now fully vaccinated. Had a fairly bad reaction but that's pretty common for me and vaccines (I had to go to the hospital after getting a tetanus shot, for instance). Took some pain meds, drank some water, sipped some soup and slept like 16 hours. Not bad overall.

It’s not uncommon for the second shot to make you feel like ass. I felt horrid for a week after my second shot. But that was 1000x better than getting very ill with CoVID19 or dying from it, I’m sure.

[The Black Forrest]

I agree with ditching the masks

I like the masks. Most people are ugly.

And we thank you for wearing yours…..every day……:D

[Quitishiae]

Please see this very interesting article: https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/2 ... study.aspx

[Drew Durrnil]

now that I have been fully vaccinated, it is ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT YOU GIVE ME CUDDLES.

How do you feel?

extremely sus, ngl

[The Black Forrest]

Please see this very interesting article: https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/2 ... study.aspx

It could be. It’s more of a “hey look at this” report. It’s not been peer reviewed and your link is being a little dishonest and adding to the problems of fighting covid.

They sourced it from https://www.medrxiv.org/

Sure they mention part of the message at the end. They shouldn’t have published it. At the least they should have written it as an interesting situation rather then fueling the “we don’t need no stinken vaccine” types.

[Quitishiae]

Ok, but I think that just because something has not been peer-reviewed does not mean that the findings should be shunned, ignored, or classified as dangerous. Peer-reviewed articles are also often full of bias especially if there are reports that go against mainstream narratives such as this particular report.

[Sincluda]

Ok, but I think that just because something has not been peer-reviewed does not mean that the findings should be shunned, ignored, or classified as dangerous. Peer-reviewed articles are also often full of bias especially if there are reports that go against mainstream narratives such as this particular report.

"Unchecked science is totally trustworthy and less biased than corroborated studies, especially when it goes against all previous knowledge."
Try again.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok, but I think that just because something has not been peer-reviewed does not mean that the findings should be shunned, ignored, or classified as dangerous. Peer-reviewed articles are also often full of bias especially if there are reports that go against mainstream narratives such as this particular report.

Hmmm. You have never published a paper and gone through peer review eh? You see for each cool thing you publish; there will be 100 people trying to prove you are a moron.

You see the health clinic is doing the right thing. They spotted something; tested it and published so others may do the same to check if the findings are good. It may turn out it was just a coincidence. It could be it’s right; you really don’t need the vaccine. That’s what the peer review does.

Publishing without peer review is very dangerous. For example the New England Journal of medicine has a long problem of detecting “research” provided the companies who look to sell a cure. I remember reading an article where they claim 25% of their articles are probably trash science.

Again, this is not the problem of the clinics article.

The problem is your group referencing it for a story and ending it with the disclaimer. It fuels the bad science problem we have in the US.

[The Free Joy State]

Ok, but I think that just because something has not been peer-reviewed does not mean that the findings should be shunned, ignored, or classified as dangerous. Peer-reviewed articles are also often full of bias especially if there are reports that go against mainstream narratives such as this particular report.

Hmmm. You have never published a paper and gone through peer review eh? You see for each cool thing you publish; there will be 100 people trying to prove you are a moron.

You see the health clinic is doing the right thing. They spotted something; tested it and published so others may do the same to check if the findings are good. It may turn out it was just a coincidence. It could be it’s right; you really don’t need the vaccine. That’s what the peer review does.

Publishing without peer review is very dangerous. For example the New England Journal of medicine has a long problem of detecting “research” provided the companies who look to sell a cure. I remember reading an article where they claim 25% of their articles are probably trash science.

Again, this is not the problem of the clinics article.

The problem is your group publishing it for a story and ending it with the disclaimer. It fuels the bad science problem we have in the US.

Well, bad science isn't just an American issue. Bad science, pseudoscience, people clinging onto anything (no matter how shaky) to support their conspiracy theory and non-peer-reviewed research being taken at face value is an international problem (Andrew Wakefield did his infamous "study" in the UK, we have a now-disbarred former nurse spreading conspiracies about the pandemic, there are anti-vaxxers here as elsewhere).

I think the internet has definitely made it easier for these things to get further coverage though. While wonderful things can spread via the internet, so can misinformation.

And, it's thought that the psychosocial stress of lockdown may have made people more likely to go online and search for information, but -- unfortunately -- due to the amount of rumours and false information, this could lead to negative outcomes (including a reduction in behaviours that prevent the spread of the virus). Really, social media needs to be more active in purging misinformation (it's still too easy for it to slip through, even a year after the study).

[Kowani]

Bolsonaro fined for violating mask guidelines

[The Free Joy State]

Bolsonaro fined for violating mask guidelines

I'm kinda surprised he didn't pass a law to exempt himself.

EDIT: Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but a top Sage scientist suggests mask-wearing and some social distancing measures should continue 'forever':

Face masks and some social distancing measures should continue "forever", a top scientist on the Sage committee that advises the government has said.

Professor Susan Michie said some measures adopted to tackle Covid-19 might be useful for suppressing other viruses like flu.

Likening wearing a mask to wearing a seat belt the UCL professor said people might check they had one with them before leaving the house and that it would not be a "huge big deal".
[...]
Elsewhere, doctors at the clinical practice for the prestigious Yale School of Medicine have suggested that masks could be worn during the annual flu season.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Bolsonaro fined for violating mask guidelines

Captain Jair Bolsonaro, biker gang member... it somehow all fits.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Bolsonaro fined for violating mask guidelines

I'm kinda surprised he didn't pass a law to exempt himself.

EDIT: Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but a top Sage scientist suggests mask-wearing and some social distancing measures should continue 'forever':

Face masks and some social distancing measures should continue "forever", a top scientist on the Sage committee that advises the government has said.

Professor Susan Michie said some measures adopted to tackle Covid-19 might be useful for suppressing other viruses like flu.

Likening wearing a mask to wearing a seat belt the UCL professor said people might check they had one with them before leaving the house and that it would not be a "huge big deal".
[...]
Elsewhere, doctors at the clinical practice for the prestigious Yale School of Medicine have suggested that masks could be worn during the annual flu season.

I mean maybe? Now that I dont have to wear a mask, I don't because it's summer and it's hot as fuck outdoors. During flu season I might wear one again but the idea of forever elbow bumping and wearing masks is kinda cringe worthy. Although tbh, I would hope that if another pandemic kicked off, people would immediately know what to do.

[The Free Joy State]

I'm kinda surprised he didn't pass a law to exempt himself.

EDIT: Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but a top Sage scientist suggests mask-wearing and some social distancing measures should continue 'forever':

I mean maybe? Now that I dont have to wear a mask, I don't because it's summer and it's hot as fuck outdoors. During flu season I might wear one again but the idea of forever elbow bumping and wearing masks is kinda cringe worthy. Although tbh, I would hope that if another pandemic kicked off, people would immediately know what to do.

For clarity, it was posted in a "this is interesting" way, rather than a "I agree with this" way. While I would like to see people voluntarily wear masks if they feel they are contagious, I hate the elbow-bumping. Quite who decided socially distanced greetings had to be so awkward... I don't know. They could have opted for a nod of the head, a bow, a wave (though distanced waving feels awkward, TBF)... there were other ways to do it.

But, long-term, I'm hoping the handshake makes a comeback. You can tell so much about someone from their handshake.

Also, I'd really like to hug my loved ones at some point.

[Dakini]

I mean maybe? Now that I dont have to wear a mask, I don't because it's summer and it's hot as fuck outdoors. During flu season I might wear one again but the idea of forever elbow bumping and wearing masks is kinda cringe worthy. Although tbh, I would hope that if another pandemic kicked off, people would immediately know what to do.

For clarity, it was posted in a "this is interesting" way, rather than a "I agree with this" way. While I would like to see people voluntarily wear masks if they feel they are contagious, I hate the elbow-bumping. Quite who decided socially distanced greetings had to be so awkward... I don't know. They could have opted for a nod of the head, a bow, a wave (though distanced waving feels awkward, TBF)... there were other ways to do it.

But, long-term, I'm hoping the handshake makes a comeback. You can tell so much about someone from their handshake.

Also, I'd really like to hug my loved ones at some point.

tbh, even in the before times, I preferred a little wave over a handshake for a greeting. Hugs are nice though.

[The Free Joy State]

For clarity, it was posted in a "this is interesting" way, rather than a "I agree with this" way. While I would like to see people voluntarily wear masks if they feel they are contagious, I hate the elbow-bumping. Quite who decided socially distanced greetings had to be so awkward... I don't know. They could have opted for a nod of the head, a bow, a wave (though distanced waving feels awkward, TBF)... there were other ways to do it.

But, long-term, I'm hoping the handshake makes a comeback. You can tell so much about someone from their handshake.

Also, I'd really like to hug my loved ones at some point.

tbh, even in the before times, I preferred a little wave over a handshake for a greeting. Hugs are nice though.

It depends who you're greeting, I think. Some contexts call(ed) for them more than others. Then, it still seems strange not to do it.

[Dakini]

tbh, even in the before times, I preferred a little wave over a handshake for a greeting. Hugs are nice though.

It depends who you're greeting, I think. Some contexts call(ed) for them more than others. Then, it still seems strange not to do it.

The only time it seems reasonable to shake a person's hand is at work. Even then, if I can get away with a wave instead, I do it.

Maybe it's just because the way men shake hands with women is often this super limp, sad handshake as though they're going to crush my hand if they shake my hand properly, but I'm just not that into hand shakes.

I mean, really, I prefer bisous to handshakes as a greeting for friends, not that I use that one super often either.

[The Free Joy State]

It depends who you're greeting, I think. Some contexts call(ed) for them more than others. Then, it still seems strange not to do it.

The only time it seems reasonable to shake a person's hand is at work. Even then, if I can get away with a wave instead, I do it.

Maybe it's just because the way men shake hands with women is often this super limp, sad handshake as though they're going to crush my hand if they shake my hand properly, but I'm just not that into hand shakes.

I mean, really, I prefer bisous to handshakes as a greeting for friends, not that I use that one super often either.

I haven't found that men (generally) give me a weak, limp handshake.

One non-work context where I can think of where you generally gave a handshake (maybe it's a UK thing), seeing a hospital consultant. A good, firm handshake can get the whole consultation off on the right foot.

Of course, I don't give friends handshakes.

EDIT: Anyway, this may be a sidetrack...

[Dakini]

The only time it seems reasonable to shake a person's hand is at work. Even then, if I can get away with a wave instead, I do it.

Maybe it's just because the way men shake hands with women is often this super limp, sad handshake as though they're going to crush my hand if they shake my hand properly, but I'm just not that into hand shakes.

I mean, really, I prefer bisous to handshakes as a greeting for friends, not that I use that one super often either.

I haven't found that men (generally) give me a weak, limp handshake.

One non-work context where I can think of where you generally gave a handshake (maybe it's a UK thing), seeing a hospital consultant. A good, firm handshake can get the whole consultation off on the right foot.

Of course, I don't give friends handshakes.

EDIT: Anyway, this may be a sidetrack...

It's not all men. Maybe some men just don't know how to shake hands. I've also never thought of shaking a doctor's hand when going in to talk about a medical issue (and I've never had a medical professional offer me their hand to shake in the UK, I found people in the NHS seemed to want to get directly to the point as much as possible).

But yeah, probably a side track. Of all the things I miss as a result of social distancing, handshakes are the thing I miss the second least. The thing I miss the least is assholes invading my personal space in public. Overall, I don't mind social distancing that much.

[Vassenor]

OK, had one Pfizer shot.

No sign of superpowers, sadly.

[Dumb Ideologies]

OK, had one Pfizer shot.

No sign of superpowers, sadly.

I just felt tired and a bit achy for a couple of days.