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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
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YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:16 am

Dakini wrote:San Francisco may be the first major US city to reach herd immunity. Eighty percent of the population has received at least one dose of the vaccine and individual cases do not appear to be turning into outbreaks.

Excellent stuff.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:18 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Dakini wrote:San Francisco may be the first major US city to reach herd immunity. Eighty percent of the population has received at least one dose of the vaccine and individual cases do not appear to be turning into outbreaks.

Excellent stuff.

Yes, it is definitely promising.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:08 am

https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19 ... e-evidence


Outdoor Mask mandates Seem not to have effected covid #'s, Indoors did.

I have a couple of issues with the article, but it makes its basic point.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:12 am

Ethel mermania wrote:https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence


Outdoor Mask mandates Seem not to have effected covid #'s, Indoors did.

I have a couple of issues with the article, but it makes its basic point.


The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."
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Postby Picairn » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:15 am

Ethel mermania wrote:https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence


Outdoor Mask mandates Seem not to have effected covid #'s, Indoors did.

I have a couple of issues with the article, but it makes its basic point.

However, indoors mask mandates worked.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:35 am

Live Free or Dine Out wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."


"Friends" ?

This may be a cultural thing, but when I'm feeling particularly close to my friends, I lean in. Doesn't matter if there's no-one nearby to hear, it just feels right to get close and speak softly.

Which I probably wouldn't do if I was wearing a mask. But that's my point. Wearing a mask changes the way we interact with people. Raising your voice, is usually not friendly.

Never mind. If the shape of your mouth is essential to your identity, then do your thing.


But what does the shape of my mouth have to do with it?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:42 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence


Outdoor Mask mandates Seem not to have effected covid #'s, Indoors did.

I have a couple of issues with the article, but it makes its basic point.


The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."

I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:48 am

Live Free or Dine Out wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote: Same with some hand sanitizer.


I don't like smearing my body with weird chemicals, but I don't mind so much when they're 80% ethanol.

Probably keeping a sugar cane farm in business.

[Seems I replied to only the line you chose to edit out. You know what this means, don't you?]

...no?

...I didn't edit out that line?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:49 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."

I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.

I don't bring hand sanitiser, since at this point basically everywhere has some, but I have started treating a mask like my wallet and bringing one every time I leave the house, even if I expect not to need it.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:07 am

Vaccines cause people to magnetise now apparently. And its linked to 5G towers.

This rampant malicious stupidity is not funny any more. It is legitimately dangerous.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:07 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."

I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.


Nonsense, if I have to go to the bathroom I will use a bush and toilet paper ain't a concern cause leaves exist.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:13 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Vaccines cause people to magnetise now apparently. And its linked to 5G towers.

This rampant malicious stupidity is not funny any more. It is legitimately dangerous.

Oh good, it'll be easier when I accidentally drop a bolt behind something.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:13 am

Live Free or Dine Out wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:...no?

...I didn't edit out that line?


It means that you and I have fallen into a General Misunderstanding Substratum of the forum, and nothing you type will appear truly to me, nor anything I type appear in recognizable form to you!

The only recourse is for you and I to put each other on Ignome. The Ignome filter will have some confusing effects, but at least not as bad as the GMS filter.

.... wat

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.


Nonsense, if I have to go to the bathroom I will use a bush and toilet paper ain't a concern cause leaves exist.
Just dont do it with poison ivy or anything prickly.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:17 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."

I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.

When I happen to go outside, I usually bring a mask too. It just feels weird now without wearing or bringing one outside.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Vaccines cause people to magnetise now apparently. And its linked to 5G towers.

This rampant malicious stupidity is not funny any more. It is legitimately dangerous.

Cool, the age of quirks! I wonder what kind that I'll be getting once I get vaccinated :p

Speaking of vaccines, I heard that there is a free vaccination event in my uni. The problem is, the uni is located in another town and 'border checks' are tightening in some places. Not to mention the recent family drama *sighs*
Idk whether I should just wait for one in my own city or prepare to head to uni for one free AstraZeneca shot.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:23 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.

When I happen to go outside, I usually bring a mask too. It just feels weird now without wearing or bringing one outside.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Vaccines cause people to magnetise now apparently. And its linked to 5G towers.

This rampant malicious stupidity is not funny any more. It is legitimately dangerous.

Cool, the age of quirks! I wonder what kind that I'll be getting once I get vaccinated :p

Speaking of vaccines, I heard that there is a free vaccination event in my uni. The problem is, the uni is located in another town and 'border checks' are tightening in some places. Not to mention the recent family drama *sighs*
Idk whether I should just wait for one in my own city or prepare to head to uni for one free AstraZeneca shot.

I usually dont wear it outside at this point, just stick it on if i go in somewhere. The only time id wear the mask outside is if im going past a large group of people or am waiting in line outside somewhere to go in.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:33 am

Live Free or Dine Out wrote:
Dakini wrote:San Francisco may be the first major US city to reach herd immunity. Eighty percent of the population has received at least one dose of the vaccine and individual cases do not appear to be turning into outbreaks.


Just one dose? That's great. Even 80% full vaccination stopping the spread, would be quite encouraging.

I hear scary things about the new strains. A ratio of 6 means more than 80% herd immunity is necessary.

And 68% are fully vaccinated. Any sign of herd immunity is definitely promising though.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:37 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."

I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.

Same
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:38 am

Dakini wrote:
Live Free or Dine Out wrote:
Just one dose? That's great. Even 80% full vaccination stopping the spread, would be quite encouraging.

I hear scary things about the new strains. A ratio of 6 means more than 80% herd immunity is necessary.

And 68% are fully vaccinated. Any sign of herd immunity is definitely promising though.

In ny we seem to be using 70% as a standard. Probably take a week more or so to see if that was a good idea.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:39 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Live Free or Dine Out wrote:
It means that you and I have fallen into a General Misunderstanding Substratum of the forum, and nothing you type will appear truly to me, nor anything I type appear in recognizable form to you!

The only recourse is for you and I to put each other on Ignome. The Ignome filter will have some confusing effects, but at least not as bad as the GMS filter.

.... wat


I'm as confused as you. Idek.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:06 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The chance of catching covid outdoors is so unbelievably low. My mom would constantly be like "you should take two masks even if you aren't going in anywhere" and it's like "I'm gonna be outside with two friends. I need exactly zero masks."

I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.


It's long since become part of my pocket check before leaving the house. Front right - keys, back right - wallet, front left - phone, back left - facemask.

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:25 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I always bring one with me as a precaution even if im going outside just in case i need to dip in doors somewhere. Same with some hand sanitizer.

Same

I accidentally forgot some hand sanitizer when I was out last weekend. I almost felt naked without it.

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:29 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:And 68% are fully vaccinated. Any sign of herd immunity is definitely promising though.

In ny we seem to be using 70% as a standard. Probably take a week more or so to see if that was a good idea.

It seems like one of those things where you don't know you've achieved it until you see it in action.

Apparently San Francisco has an advantage because it has relatively few children, who aren't eligible for the vaccine yet as well. I don't know how that works for NYC or other cities in the USA.

Personally though, anywhere achieving herd immunity seems like a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:31 pm

Dakini wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:In ny we seem to be using 70% as a standard. Probably take a week more or so to see if that was a good idea.

It seems like one of those things where you don't know you've achieved it until you see it in action.

Apparently San Francisco has an advantage because it has relatively few children, who aren't eligible for the vaccine yet as well. I don't know how that works for NYC or other cities in the USA.

Personally though, anywhere achieving herd immunity seems like a light at the end of the tunnel.

For me that moment was when I sat down inside a diner and had a bacon, Swiss and Mushroom omelet. It had been 14 months since I ate anywhere near inside an enclosed restaurant . It felt good.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:34 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:It seems like one of those things where you don't know you've achieved it until you see it in action.

Apparently San Francisco has an advantage because it has relatively few children, who aren't eligible for the vaccine yet as well. I don't know how that works for NYC or other cities in the USA.

Personally though, anywhere achieving herd immunity seems like a light at the end of the tunnel.

For me that moment was when I sat down inside a diner and had a bacon, Swiss and Mushroom omelet. It had been 14 months since I ate anywhere near inside an enclosed restaurant . It felt good.


We felt the same when we ate at a Denny’s several weeks ago. It felt nice, although I was nervous.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:38 pm

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