Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Great Algerstonia]

Florida concert promoter charging unvaccinated fans $1,000 for tickets

A Florida gig promoter has come up with a way of making sure that as many fans as possible attending an upcoming punk show have been vaccinated. Paul Williams of Leadfoot Productions is putting on a gig at VFW Post #39 in St. Petersburg, Florida on June 26, featuring performances from Teenage Bottlerocket, MakeWar and Rutterkin.

In a bid to curb the spread of the coronavirus, Williams has instituted a price of $18 per ticket for those who have been fully vaccinated, and $999.99 for those who haven’t. “We’re just trying to do a show safely,” Williams told WFTS. “And they should go out and get vaccinated to protect themselves and their families and their community.”

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis recently declared that those living in Florida have the right to get vaccinated or not and “no business or government entity will be able to deny you services based on your decision.” With that said, knowing he couldn’t force anyone who wasn’t vaccinated not to attend the show, Williams came up with the idea for the unique ticket pricing instead.

Speaking to ABC News, he added: “I also wanted it to be a vaccine drive to get the fence-sitters off the fence. I wanted to get the kids that want to go to shows to go out and get their shots.”

So far there has been no takers for the $1,000 tickets, but Williams has said that if anyone does buy one they will “be treated like everyone else”. While the response to his ticket policy has been “overwhelmingly positive” for the most part, Williams did mention that he’s received a number of spam calls from anti-vaxxers. “To care about people being safe is very bad apparently,” he added.

Ray Carlisle of Teenage Bottlerocket, one of the bands on the line-up, is on board with the policy, telling WFTS: “We’re all vaccinated. We encourage everyone to get vaccinated so we can see you in the pit.”

Haha get OWNED people with allergies. LIBERALS own IMMUNOCOMPROMISED and ALLERGIC people with FACTS and LOGIC.

[Albrenia]

Uhm... why would immunocomprimised people be going to a fucking concert?

Those with allergic reactions should be able to get similar benefits as the vaccinated, as long as they're actually medically unable and not just 'muh freedom' goofs.

[Great Algerstonia]

Uhm... why would immunocomprimised people be going to a fucking concert?

It's the general principle of shaming people who cant get the vaccines for medical reasons. It makes me angry.

[Albrenia]

Uhm... why would immunocomprimised people be going to a fucking concert?

It's the general principle of shaming people who cant get the vaccines for medical reasons. It makes me angry.

People who can't get the vaccines should be made exceptions to the rules, I agree. Those who simply won't, should not be.

[Vetalia]

What about people who have legitimate reasons not to get fully vaccinated, such as allergic reactions? We shouldn't be restricting entertainment to vaccinated folks only

I disagree with this as well. We need to get rid of this idea that people are unvaxxed are somehow dangerous or toxic....the concept of "asymptomatic spread" was used to cause everyone to suspect each other and I do not like that.

Fact is, if you are vaccinated you have nothing to worry about with unvaccinated people.

[Fartsniffage]

Because anti-vaxxers are now part of the Republican base and he has presidential aspirations if Donald Trump doesn’t run in 2024.

What about people who have legitimate reasons not to get fully vaccinated, such as allergic reactions? We shouldn't be restricting entertainment to vaccinated folks only

Just give them the same vaccine passport. Their doctor knows if they're allergic or pregnant or whatever stop them taking it medically. For a vaccine to work you don't need 100% vaccinations.

[Bombadil]

It's the general principle of shaming people who cant get the vaccines for medical reasons. It makes me angry.

People who can't get the vaccines should be made exceptions to the rules, I agree. Those who simply won't, should not be.

Maybe anger should be more directed at those refusing to get vaccinated for no real reason thus delaying the point of herd immunity where those who genuinely can't get vaccinated will be safe.

[Vetalia]

Uhm... why would immunocomprimised people be going to a fucking concert?

Those with allergic reactions should be able to get similar benefits as the vaccinated, as long as they're actually medically unable and not just 'muh freedom' goofs.

Honestly, I imagine unless they're a bona-fide Bubble Boy immunocompromised people have been going to concerts this entire time.

[Neanderthaland]

What about people who have legitimate reasons not to get fully vaccinated, such as allergic reactions? We shouldn't be restricting entertainment to vaccinated folks only

I disagree with this as well. We need to get rid of this idea that people are unvaxxed are somehow dangerous or toxic....the concept of "asymptomatic spread" was used to cause everyone to suspect each other and I do not like that.

Fact is, if you are vaccinated you have nothing to worry about with unvaccinated people.

That's just not true. The majority of vaccines are not 100% effective, and depend on the idea that most of the population will get them to work.

[Neanderthaland]

Florida concert promoter charging unvaccinated fans $1,000 for tickets

A Florida gig promoter has come up with a way of making sure that as many fans as possible attending an upcoming punk show have been vaccinated. Paul Williams of Leadfoot Productions is putting on a gig at VFW Post #39 in St. Petersburg, Florida on June 26, featuring performances from Teenage Bottlerocket, MakeWar and Rutterkin.

In a bid to curb the spread of the coronavirus, Williams has instituted a price of $18 per ticket for those who have been fully vaccinated, and $999.99 for those who haven’t. “We’re just trying to do a show safely,” Williams told WFTS. “And they should go out and get vaccinated to protect themselves and their families and their community.”

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis recently declared that those living in Florida have the right to get vaccinated or not and “no business or government entity will be able to deny you services based on your decision.” With that said, knowing he couldn’t force anyone who wasn’t vaccinated not to attend the show, Williams came up with the idea for the unique ticket pricing instead.

Speaking to ABC News, he added: “I also wanted it to be a vaccine drive to get the fence-sitters off the fence. I wanted to get the kids that want to go to shows to go out and get their shots.”

So far there has been no takers for the $1,000 tickets, but Williams has said that if anyone does buy one they will “be treated like everyone else”. While the response to his ticket policy has been “overwhelmingly positive” for the most part, Williams did mention that he’s received a number of spam calls from anti-vaxxers. “To care about people being safe is very bad apparently,” he added.

Ray Carlisle of Teenage Bottlerocket, one of the bands on the line-up, is on board with the policy, telling WFTS: “We’re all vaccinated. We encourage everyone to get vaccinated so we can see you in the pit.”

Haha get OWNED people with allergies. LIBERALS own IMMUNOCOMPROMISED and ALLERGIC people with FACTS and LOGIC.

People with allergies, or immunocompromised people, are a big part of why rational people are pushing so hard for vaccines.

The only way for them to be safe is for the people around them to be vaccinated. You're trying to reverse-uno card pro-vaxxers on this, but it's dumb.

[Ifreann]

The Super Bowl, which I seem to recall was attended only by vaccinated healthcare workers.

Because nobody watches the Super Bowl with friends and family on TV in close proximity nationwide...

Can't imagine there were many watch parties this year.

[Vetalia]

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That's just not true. The majority of vaccines are not 100% effective, and depend on the idea that most of the population will get them to work.

If you are fully vaccinated using one of the approved COVID vaccines, once the immediate immunity period is over, you are 100% protected from any negative outcome from SARS-CoV-2 infection. You do not need to wear a mask at all or socially distance, period.

All of the vaccines are also strongly effective against preventing milder COVID infections. Assuming you would spend an extended period of time with someone who is unvaccinated and actively infectious with SARS-CoV-2 at most you will get a mild cold at best and your viral load, if you even have one, will pose no threat to unvaccinated people.

[Vetalia]

Because nobody watches the Super Bowl with friends and family on TV in close proximity nationwide...

Can't imagine there were many watch parties this year.

Who knows, but none of these feared surges ever happened.

[Neanderthaland]

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That's just not true. The majority of vaccines are not 100% effective, and depend on the idea that most of the population will get them to work.

If you are fully vaccinated using one of the approved COVID vaccines, once the immediate immunity period is over, you are 100% protected from any negative outcome from SARS-CoV-2 infection. You do not need to wear a mask at all or socially distance, period.

Bullshit. You are much less likely to suffer a negative outcome. No reputable doctor anywhere would ever tell you you were 100% protected from one, and none of the vaccine producers claim that either.

And that is a claim they would definitely want to make if they thought they could get away with it.

You are completely talking out of your ass.

All of the vaccines are also strongly effective against preventing milder COVID infections. Assuming you would spend an extended period of time with someone who is unvaccinated and actively infectious with SARS-CoV-2 at most you will get a mild cold at best and your viral load, if you even have one, will pose no threat to unvaccinated people.

Bullshit. Nobody currently knows the extent to which vaccinated people with the virus shed viral particles. It's almost certainly lower, but there isn't currently good data on the subject.

Stop making things up.

[North Washington Republic]

If you are fully vaccinated using one of the approved COVID vaccines, once the immediate immunity period is over, you are 100% protected from any negative outcome from SARS-CoV-2 infection. You do not need to wear a mask at all or socially distance, period.

Bullshit. You are much less likely to suffer a negative outcome. No reputable doctor anywhere would ever tell you you were 100% protected from one, and none of the vaccine producers claim that either.

And that is a claim they would definitely want to make if they thought they could get away with it.

You are completely talking out of your ass.

All of the vaccines are also strongly effective against preventing milder COVID infections. Assuming you would spend an extended period of time with someone who is unvaccinated and actively infectious with SARS-CoV-2 at most you will get a mild cold at best and your viral load, if you even have one, will pose no threat to unvaccinated people.

Bullshit. Nobody currently knows the extent to which vaccinated people with the virus shed viral particles. It's almost certainly lower, but there isn't currently good data on the subject.

Stop making things up.

With all due respect, you seem to be downplaying the effectiveness of the vaccines. No vaccine is 100%, and we need to get more people vaccinated. However, the CDC has said that if an vaccinated person attends a large event with unvaccinated people or visits an unvaccinated person or family member, it is the unvaccinated person(s) that are at greater risk than the vaccinated.

Here are the latest CDC guidelines..

[Neanderthaland]

Bullshit. You are much less likely to suffer a negative outcome. No reputable doctor anywhere would ever tell you you were 100% protected from one, and none of the vaccine producers claim that either.

And that is a claim they would definitely want to make if they thought they could get away with it.

You are completely talking out of your ass.


Bullshit. Nobody currently knows the extent to which vaccinated people with the virus shed viral particles. It's almost certainly lower, but there isn't currently good data on the subject.

Stop making things up.

With all due respect, you seem to be downplaying the effectiveness of the vaccines. No vaccine is 100%, and we need to get more people vaccinated. However, the CDC has said that if an vaccinated person attends a large event with unvaccinated people or visits an unvaccinated person or family member, it is the unvaccinated person(s) that are at greater risk than the vaccinated.

Here are the latest CDC guidelines..

No. No I'm fucking not.

I'm the one who said no vaccine is 100% effective. Vetalia said they were 100% effective at preventing "negative outcomes." Which is misinformation.

He also said that vaccinated people cannot spread Covid, which is currently unknown.

I want people to get vaccinated as much as possible. I don't know what Vetalia wants.

[-SARS-]

However, the CDC has said that if an vaccinated person attends a large event with unvaccinated people or visits an unvaccinated person or family member, it is the unvaccinated person(s) that are at greater risk than the vaccinated.

No shit, Sherlock. Neanderthaland never denied that.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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That's just not true. The majority of vaccines are not 100% effective, and depend on the idea that most of the population will get them to work.

If you are fully vaccinated using one of the approved COVID vaccines, once the immediate immunity period is over, you are 100% protected from any negative outcome from SARS-CoV-2 infection. You do not need to wear a mask at all or socially distance, period.

All of the vaccines are also strongly effective against preventing milder COVID infections. Assuming you would spend an extended period of time with someone who is unvaccinated and actively infectious with SARS-CoV-2 at most you will get a mild cold at best and your viral load, if you even have one, will pose no threat to unvaccinated people.

Although the vaccines are highly effective, they’re not infallible and a small group of people have indeed gotten sick with SARS-CoV-2 even after being fully vaccinated: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... cases.html

COVID-19 vaccines are effective. However, a small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated will still get COVID-19 if they are exposed to the virus that causes it. These are called “vaccine breakthrough cases.” This means that while people who have been vaccinated are much less likely to get sick, it may still happen. Experts continue to study how common these cases are.

We’re not 100% immune to CoVID19 even after being vaccinated against it.

[The Black Forrest]

Florida Gov. Ron De Santis (R) signs law to fine cruise companies $5,000 for each person who is required to show proof of vaccination before boarding

Well. The cruise lines should drop Florida from their stops. Ships are already a petri dish.

[Major-Tom]

Florida Gov. Ron De Santis (R) signs law to fine cruise companies $5,000 for each person who is required to show proof of vaccination before boarding

I thought they stood for the right of free enterprise to make their own decisions. *shrugs*

[New Swaraelia]

Variants of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) have been renamed by the World Health Organization (WHO) from their scientific names "B.1.1.7", "B.1.617.2", for example, with the Greek alphabet after concerns the scientific names were too difficult to remember, leading to the colloquial use of phrases such as "Kent variant" and "India variant" for their origin point, similar to the "China virus" or "Wuhan virus" prior to "COVID-19".

The WHO has said "[w]hile they have their advantages, these scientific names can be difficult to say and recall, and are prone to misreporting [...] As a result, people often resort to calling variants by the places where they are detected, which is stigmatizing and discriminatory. [...] To avoid this and to simplify public communications, WHO encourages national authorities, media outlets and others to adopt these new labels."

In a tweet, they promised "The labels do not replace existing scientific names, which convey important scientific information & will continue to be used in research" and reiterated "[t]he naming system aims to prevent calling #COVID19 variants by the places where they are detected, which is stigmatizing & discriminatory."

Human Rights Watch said that "political parties and groups [...] have latched onto the COVID-19 crisis to advance anti-immigrant, white supremacist, ultra-nationalist, antisemitic, and xenophobic conspiracy theories that demonize refugees, foreigners, prominent individuals, and political leaders", concerns which has led India on 22 May to formally remove all content containing the phrase "India variant".

The new names are to be:

• Lineage B.1.1.7, origin in Kent, England - Alpha
• Lineage B.1.351, origin in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Beta
• Lineage P.1, origin in Amazonas, Brazil - Gamma
• Lineage B.1.617.2, origin in Maharashtra, India - Delta
• Lineages B.1.427 and B.1.429, origin in California, United States - Epsilon
• Lineage P.2, origin in Amazonas, Brazil - Zeta
• Lineage B.1.525, suspected origin in the United Kingdom or Nigeria - Eta
• Lineage P.3, origin in Central Visayas, the Philippines - Theta
• Lineage B.1.526, origin in New York, United States - Iota
• Lineage B.617.1, origin in Maharashtra, India - Kappa

Secretary-General of the United Nations António Guterres welcomed the renaming, tweeting "#COVID19 does not care who we are, where we live, or what we believe. Yet the pandemic continues to unleash a tsunami of hate and xenophobia, scapegoating and scare-mongering."

There is precedent for this; the fact the pandemic originated from China led to a categorical increase in hate crimes against Asian people of all descent and background, with many prominent government officials such as former president Donald Trump lambasted over their use of the term "China virus". The "Spanish flu" of 1918-1920 was also as a pejorative; in Poland, it was referred to as "the Bolshevik disease", for example. The Ebola virus originated in the town Yambuku, DRC. However, virologist Peter Piot chose to name it after the river it was on (Ebola), not the town for fear of stigma.

However, viruses tend to be named after their origin locations for easy identification, such as the Hong Kong flu.

There are also concerns of ambiguity, as many Greek letters have already entered the common colloquial dialect. 'Alpha' may refer to the letter, the return of a given asset or portfolio, the early versions of a software program, the significance of a statistical test, the translucency of a colour and a male who enjoys doing...things.

[New Swaraelia]

I'd like to add that this decision was apparently after months of deliberation, with Greek gods, invented and pseudo-classical names were proposed. Before this, scientists also tried to make their own, including VOC (variant of concern) and then a number, but try pronouncing 'VOC' out loud, and Robin, "criticised on the grounds that this could imperil birds".

Sources for these two posts:
Agence France-Presse. 2021. India orders removal of content referring to ‘Indian variant’. [online] Available at: <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/india-orders-removal-of-content-referring-to-indian-variant> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Farge, E., 2021. Is it all Greek to you? Coronavirus variants get new names. [online] Reuters. Available at: <https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/is-it-all-greek-you-coronavirus-variants-get-new-names-2021-05-31/> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Sky News. 2021. COVID-19: Coronavirus variants given new names by the WHO under new system - here's the full list. [online] Available at: <https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-variants-given-new-names-by-the-who-under-new-system-heres-the-full-list-12321777> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Twitter. 2021. António Guterres on Twitter. [online] Available at: <https://twitter.com/antonioguterres/status/1258613180030431233> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Twitter. 2021. WHO on Twitter. [online] Available at: <https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1399436524341628933> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Wandsworth, D., 2014. How Ebola got its name. [online] Spectator.co.uk. Available at: <https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-ebola-got-its-name> [Accessed 1 June 2021].

[Picairn]

I'd like to add that this decision was apparently after months of deliberation, with Greek gods, invented and pseudo-classical names were proposed. Before this, scientists also tried to make their own, including VOC (variant of concern) and then a number, but try pronouncing 'VOC' out loud, and Robin, "criticised on the grounds that this could imperil birds".

Sources for these two posts:
Agence France-Presse. 2021. India orders removal of content referring to ‘Indian variant’. [online] Available at: <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/india-orders-removal-of-content-referring-to-indian-variant> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Farge, E., 2021. Is it all Greek to you? Coronavirus variants get new names. [online] Reuters. Available at: <https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/is-it-all-greek-you-coronavirus-variants-get-new-names-2021-05-31/> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Sky News. 2021. COVID-19: Coronavirus variants given new names by the WHO under new system - here's the full list. [online] Available at: <https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-variants-given-new-names-by-the-who-under-new-system-heres-the-full-list-12321777> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Twitter. 2021. António Guterres on Twitter. [online] Available at: <https://twitter.com/antonioguterres/status/1258613180030431233> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Twitter. 2021. WHO on Twitter. [online] Available at: <https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1399436524341628933> [Accessed 1 June 2021].
Wandsworth, D., 2014. How Ebola got its name. [online] Spectator.co.uk. Available at: <https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-ebola-got-its-name> [Accessed 1 June 2021].

A bit off-topic, but may I ask what kind of citation you are using? Doesn't look like any style I know.

[New Visayan Islands]

Variants of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) have been renamed by the World Health Organization (WHO) from their scientific names "B.1.1.7", "B.1.617.2", for example, with the Greek alphabet after concerns the scientific names were too difficult to remember, leading to the colloquial use of phrases such as "Kent variant" and "India variant" for their origin point, similar to the "China virus" or "Wuhan virus" prior to "COVID-19".

The WHO has said "[w]hile they have their advantages, these scientific names can be difficult to say and recall, and are prone to misreporting [...] As a result, people often resort to calling variants by the places where they are detected, which is stigmatizing and discriminatory. [...] To avoid this and to simplify public communications, WHO encourages national authorities, media outlets and others to adopt these new labels."

In a tweet, they promised "The labels do not replace existing scientific names, which convey important scientific information & will continue to be used in research" and reiterated "[t]he naming system aims to prevent calling #COVID19 variants by the places where they are detected, which is stigmatizing & discriminatory."

Human Rights Watch said that "political parties and groups [...] have latched onto the COVID-19 crisis to advance anti-immigrant, white supremacist, ultra-nationalist, antisemitic, and xenophobic conspiracy theories that demonize refugees, foreigners, prominent individuals, and political leaders", concerns which has led India on 22 May to formally remove all content containing the phrase "India variant".

The new names are to be:

• Lineage B.1.1.7, origin in Kent, England - Alpha
• Lineage B.1.351, origin in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Beta
• Lineage P.1, origin in Amazonas, Brazil - Gamma
• Lineage B.1.617.2, origin in Maharashtra, India - Delta
• Lineages B.1.427 and B.1.429, origin in California, United States - Epsilon
• Lineage P.2, origin in Amazonas, Brazil - Zeta
• Lineage B.1.525, suspected origin in the United Kingdom or Nigeria - Eta
• Lineage P.3, origin in Central Visayas, the Philippines - Theta
• Lineage B.1.526, origin in New York, United States - Iota
• Lineage B.617.1, origin in Maharashtra, India - Kappa

Secretary-General of the United Nations António Guterres welcomed the renaming, tweeting "#COVID19 does not care who we are, where we live, or what we believe. Yet the pandemic continues to unleash a tsunami of hate and xenophobia, scapegoating and scare-mongering."

There is precedent for this; the fact the pandemic originated from China led to a categorical increase in hate crimes against Asian people of all descent and background, with many prominent government officials such as former president Donald Trump lambasted over their use of the term "China virus". The "Spanish flu" of 1918-1920 was also as a pejorative; in Poland, it was referred to as "the Bolshevik disease", for example. The Ebola virus originated in the town Yambuku, DRC. However, virologist Peter Piot chose to name it after the river it was on (Ebola), not the town for fear of stigma.

However, viruses tend to be named after their origin locations for easy identification, such as the Hong Kong flu.

There are also concerns of ambiguity, as many Greek letters have already entered the common colloquial dialect. 'Alpha' may refer to the letter, the return of a given asset or portfolio, the early versions of a software program, the significance of a statistical test, the translucency of a colour and a male who enjoys doing...things.

Huh, that's concerning.

Detailed update for PH as of June 1st, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT. Also:

• 2.2 million Coof Shots from Pfizer on June 11th.
• MY: Shut these parties down!
• Act 3 of Coof Relief is a go!
• ...pretty sure that's not how to triage geographically, but WTH.

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57304063

The 2021 Copa America will be hosted by Brazil, after Argentina was stripped of the tournament just two weeks before it starts.

The South American Football Confederation (Conmebol) said Argentina was removed as host because of the "present circumstances".

The country is currently experiencing a surge in Covid-19 cases.

Later on Monday, Conmebol confirmed Brazil would host the showpiece event, which starts on 13 June.

No stadiums have yet been announced for the tournament in Brazil.

Analysis

Hugo Bachega, BBC Latin America online desk

"Bizarre" and "out of touch". That's how Brazilians have labelled Conmebol's surprise decision to move the Copa America to a country which continues to be a hotspot in the pandemic, with an average of 2,000 deaths a day. Even if the matches end up being played behind closed doors.

When you take into account that the previous host, Argentina, was removed because of its struggle to contain the virus, the move becomes even harder to explain.

Brazilian cities are experiencing an upsurge in infections as restrictions are lifted and many people continue to ignore advice to socially distance and wear masks.

Intensive Care Unit beds are full, and the vaccination campaign is progressing very slowly.

It is all about money. Cancelling the event, which many say would have been the most sensible decision, would have resulted in huge losses for the organisers.

Well this is a terrible idea...

This is like trading living on Venus with living on Mercury.

Neither option is pleasant.