Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[CoraSpia]

full statement released

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says Brussels is ready to discuss a US-backed proposal to waive patents on Covid-19 vaccines

So...why exactly would developers want to make the next round of vaccines if they're just going to get stolen? Unless of course the governments of the world plan to pay all of the r&d costs, which I suppose is possible.

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European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says Brussels is ready to discuss a US-backed proposal to waive patents on Covid-19 vaccines

So...why exactly would developers want to make the next round of vaccines if they're just going to get stolen? Unless of course the governments of the world plan to pay all of the r&d costs, which I suppose is possible.

Why not just nationalize every stage of production from R&D to manufacture to distribution? That's what should have been done. Scientists will work if they're paid well regardless of ownership, the same goes for all the workers who physically create the vaccines. But the owners are parasites, they contribute nothing, they aren't necessary.

No idea why this is even such a controversial suggestion. It's what is done in major wars. This virus has killed millions of people worldwide.

[CoraSpia]

So...why exactly would developers want to make the next round of vaccines if they're just going to get stolen? Unless of course the governments of the world plan to pay all of the r&d costs, which I suppose is possible.

Why not just nationalize every stage of production from R&D to manufacture to distribution? That's what should have been done. Scientists will work if they're paid well regardless of ownership, the same goes for all the workers who physically create the vaccines. But the owners are parasites, they contribute nothing, they aren't necessary.

No idea why this is even such a controversial suggestion. It's what is done in major wars. This virus has killed millions of people worldwide.

Because buying all those shares up would be expensive and large companies are protected from mandatory nationalisation through international law.

[Kowani]

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says Brussels is ready to discuss a US-backed proposal to waive patents on Covid-19 vaccines

So...why exactly would developers want to make the next round of vaccines if they're just going to get stolen? Unless of course the governments of the world plan to pay all of the r&d costs, which I suppose is possible.

just the billions of revenue they've already made, no big deal

[CoraSpia]

So...why exactly would developers want to make the next round of vaccines if they're just going to get stolen? Unless of course the governments of the world plan to pay all of the r&d costs, which I suppose is possible.

just the billions of revenue they've already made, no big deal

That doesn't explain why they would want to make something for free in the future.

[CoraSpia]

Because buying all those shares up would be expensive and large companies are protected from mandatory nationalisation through international law.

Er, which law again? Part of NAFTA perhaps?

Various parts of international investment law.

[Ethel mermania]

So...why exactly would developers want to make the next round of vaccines if they're just going to get stolen? Unless of course the governments of the world plan to pay all of the r&d costs, which I suppose is possible.

Why not just nationalize every stage of production from R&D to manufacture to distribution? That's what should have been done. Scientists will work if they're paid well regardless of ownership, the same goes for all the workers who physically create the vaccines. But the owners are parasites, they contribute nothing, they aren't necessary.

No idea why this is even such a controversial suggestion. It's what is done in major wars. This virus has killed millions of people worldwide.

Because we prefer a vaccine that works and can be massed produced.

[Dakini]

If I was in the US I wouldn't need to wait for immigration documents because I'm a dual national, but I'm not.

So the country you are in prefers you to be a health risk to the rest of the population over just giving you a shot and sorting out the immigration thing later ?
Sillly...

I'll probably still get fully vaccinated before my friends my age back in the UK.

[CoraSpia]

So the country you are in prefers you to be a health risk to the rest of the population over just giving you a shot and sorting out the immigration thing later ?
Sillly...

I'll probably still get fully vaccinated before my friends my age back in the UK.

I wouldn't be so sure, unless you are really young and have absolutely no underlying conditions whatsoever.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

72 hours post second Moderna shot and I have lingering discomfort in my neck and left armpit lymph nodes. Not uncommon. Just still incredibly uncomfortable. At least the fever, the chills and the joint pain are gone.

[Washington Resistance Army]

72 hours post second Moderna shot and I have lingering discomfort in my neck and left armpit lymph nodes. Not uncommon. Just still incredibly uncomfortable. At least the fever, the chills and the joint pain are gone.

The chills and possible fever were the worst part for me. The night after the shot was just brutal.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

72 hours post second Moderna shot and I have lingering discomfort in my neck and left armpit lymph nodes. Not uncommon. Just still incredibly uncomfortable. At least the fever, the chills and the joint pain are gone.

The chills and possible fever were the worst part for me. The night after the shot was just brutal.

That first night after the shot was just horrible. I started feeling crummy around 11pm. I ran a fever all night, off and on and the joint and muscle pain… damn.

[Dakini]

I'll probably still get fully vaccinated before my friends my age back in the UK.

I wouldn't be so sure, unless you are really young and have absolutely no underlying conditions whatsoever.

I'm not super young and I don't have underlying conditions, but considering that someone I know in the UK 20 years my senior managed to get a single vaccination a month ago with no update on getting the second one and I'll be able to get both within the manufacturer's recommended timeframe I'm not super worried (I mean, Scotland is expecting to offer everyone over 18 a single dose by the end of July, I should have both of mine before then).

It should be just a few more weeks until I'm in the system and can get vaccinated with my choice of vaccines. I've waited this long and I'm not worried about waiting a bit longer. I'm just a bit jealous of my friends back in Canada who are getting theirs done.

[Post War America]

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says Brussels is ready to discuss a US-backed proposal to waive patents on Covid-19 vaccines

So...why exactly would developers want to make the next round of vaccines if they're just going to get stolen? Unless of course the governments of the world plan to pay all of the r&d costs, which I suppose is possible.

The government already subsudizes r&d pretty heavily so that's not quite the own you think it is. Of course we could cut out the middle man and turn to research universities which historically made the most important breakthroughs, and does still perform a lot of the work for important things rather than developing cherry flavored boner pills. To say nothing of ignoring or changing national law and simply nationalizing the system.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Er, which law again? Part of NAFTA perhaps?

Various parts of international investment law.

You act like international law is a real thing and not a concept used to bully small countries.

[CoraSpia]

Various parts of international investment law.

You act like international law is a real thing and not a concept used to bully small countries.

It's helped out small countries greatly. Because of investment law, companies are free to invest in underdeveloped markets without fearing that their money and assets will be stolen without due compensation. The only countries that it doesn't benefit are those that like to steal things.

[Post War America]

You act like international law is a real thing and not a concept used to bully small countries.

It's helped out small countries greatly. Because of investment law, companies are free to invest in underdeveloped markets without fearing that their money and assets will be stolen without due compensation. The only countries that it doesn't benefit are those that like to steal things.

So its a concept used to bully small countries. Foreign investment tends to devastate local economies and any attempt to eject it tends to be met with lethal force by the major powers.

[New Visayan Islands]

Data for PH as of May 6th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update. Also:

• PH CHR: This kind of mask mandate is sus.
• WTO going WTF?
• Senator Sotto: Yeah, lock 'em up!
• TH: Thai or foreigner, ask and you shall get your Coof Shot.

[Kowani]

On patent waivers!
Russia backs it, France backs it,WTO 'warmly welcomes' it...but Germany opposes it

[Heaven Hieghts]

On patent waivers!
Russia backs it, France backs it,WTO 'warmly welcomes' it...but Germany opposes it

Did she say what those 'severe complications' would be?

[Loeje]

On patent waivers!
Russia backs it, France backs it,WTO 'warmly welcomes' it...but Germany opposes it

Germany should know better, considering all of the problems they had with the vaccine rollout.

[Ethel mermania]

On patent waivers!
Russia backs it, France backs it,WTO 'warmly welcomes' it...but Germany opposes it

Germany should know better, considering all of the problems they had with the vaccine rollout.

Germany has companies that aided in the vaccine development.

If Russia cared about it they could simply release sputnik. They want Pfizers

[San Lumen]

https://m.startribune.com/minnesota-s-c ... lmob=y&c=n

Minnesota will end all Covid restrictions May 28th. Mask mandate will end July 1st.

[Kowani]

Syrian hospitals run out of supplies under weight of second wave

MSF teams working in the region have reported over 15,000 confirmed cases – including at least 960 among health workers – and 640 deaths as of 26 April.

However, the true numbers of people affected by COVID-19 is believed to be much higher than what is reported as people continue to struggle to access testing and treatment. One year after the first case of coronavirus in the region, the response remains fragile and drastically underfunded, while plans for vaccinating frontline healthcare workers and the community remain vague.

Essential supplies
The current outbreak is spreading quickly through the whole of northeast Syria.

At the two COVID-19 hospitals that MSF supports, in Hassakeh and Raqqa, medical teams have seen a sharp increase in confirmed cases in the past month. And, with the rate of positive test results as high as 47 percent, it’s clear that many cases are going unidentified.

“It is shocking that one year into the outbreak, the region of northeast Syria still struggles to access essential COVID-19 supplies,” says Crystal Van Leeuwen, MSF’s medical emergency manager for Syria.

“There is a clear lack of laboratory testing, inadequate hospital capacity to manage patients, not enough oxygen to support those who need it most and limited availability of personal protective equipment (PPE) for health workers.”

The only lab in the region that can test for COVID-19 is in Qamishli. It is currently experiencing critical shortages and is expected to run out of supplies within two weeks without further help.

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MSF has donated testing supplies to the lab on four occasions since the start of the pandemic.

“With no UN cross-border mechanism in place for northeast Syria, creating challenges for supplies to reach the region from Damascus-based organisations – such as the World Health Organization – the region is woefully under-served in this outbreak”, says Van Leeuwen.

At least two COVID-19 treatment centres in Hassakeh and Raqqa have stopped activities after running out of funds and medical supplies. This has been linked to a lack of long-term funding and planning from humanitarian organisations as well as challenging supply lines.

Many other unsupported hospitals are now raising alarms and requesting basic but essential support for equipment like oxygen, antibiotics and PPE to cope with the increasing numbers of COVID-19 patients. While many frontline health workers across the globe have received their first jab to protect them against COVID-19, vaccination plans in northeast Syria have fallen between the cracks due to vague promises and insufficient planning.

Local authorities report that they have been promised just 20,000 vaccines for an area that hosts five million people, and it remains unclear if those vaccines will even arrive. “With these minimal commitments and lack of clear planning, we are seriously concerned that significant COVID-19 vaccination activities are unlikely to take place in the region anytime soon,” says Van Leeuwen.

“The allocation of vaccine and other essential supplies has proven to be inequitable across the different regions of the country, showing that once again the humanitarian aid response in northeast Syria is being negatively impacted by regional politics and the lack of a UN cross-border mechanism.”

Many people in northeast Syria are already experiencing limited access to healthcare services, water and sanitation, making them especially vulnerable to this second wave of the pandemic.

In the COVID-19 treatment facilities supported by MSF, the mortality rates continue to rise as health services become more strained. With more than 70 percent of the patients admitted requiring oxygen, keeping up with the supply demands has not been possible.

“The COVID-19 response in northeast Syria is insufficient and people continue to unnecessarily die from this disease,” says Van Leeuwen.

“A significant increase in assistance from health and humanitarian organisations is essential, as is flexibility from donors to support organisations throughout the peaks and ebbs of this pandemic.

“With no foreseeable end to COVID-19 in Syria, vaccine provision and longer-term planning must be implemented in order to prevent further unnecessary suffering and to avoid sudden and disruptive shortages of essential supplies for prevention, testing and treatment.”

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The chills and possible fever were the worst part for me. The night after the shot was just brutal.

That first night after the shot was just horrible. I started feeling crummy around 11pm. I ran a fever all night, off and on and the joint and muscle pain… damn.

Did you take any medication for it?