Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[San Lumen]

They already do that but your suggesting only those with tickets can come in. That’s not fair nor practical.

I'm not suggesting that only those with tickets can attend, I don't really give a shit about the details of New York Pride. I'm refuting your assertion that it would not be feasible in general to ask attendees to show proof of vaccination by giving you examples of events that do require that people show some kind of paperwork, tickets, ID, whatever, before entering.

It's starting to sound like your concern is literally just that you might not be able to attend Pride. Are you going to keep making up lies about it being impossible to ask people for proof of vaccination, or are you going to tell us what your real objection is?

With the number of people that attend its not practical. We should not restructure everything over one virus.

[Ifreann]

I'm not suggesting that only those with tickets can attend, I don't really give a shit about the details of New York Pride. I'm refuting your assertion that it would not be feasible in general to ask attendees to show proof of vaccination by giving you examples of events that do require that people show some kind of paperwork, tickets, ID, whatever, before entering.

It's starting to sound like your concern is literally just that you might not be able to attend Pride. Are you going to keep making up lies about it being impossible to ask people for proof of vaccination, or are you going to tell us what your real objection is?

With the number of people that attend its not practical. We should not restructure everything over one virus.

It's perfectly practical, you've been given examples of similar things being done at other large events.

When you keep insisting that a thing is impossible despite being shown examples of it happening, you are not just wrong, you are lying. Are you going to keep lying or are you going to tell us what your real objection is?

[San Lumen]

With the number of people that attend its not practical. We should not restructure everything over one virus.

It's perfectly practical, you've been given examples of similar things being done at other large events.

When you keep insisting that a thing is impossible despite being shown examples of it happening, you are not just wrong, you are lying. Are you going to keep lying or are you going to tell us what your real objection is?

Your comparing an apple to an orange, A football game is not the same as a parade.

[Vassenor]

It's perfectly practical, you've been given examples of similar things being done at other large events.

When you keep insisting that a thing is impossible despite being shown examples of it happening, you are not just wrong, you are lying. Are you going to keep lying or are you going to tell us what your real objection is?

Your comparing an apple to an orange, A football game is not the same as a parade.

And parades during pandemics become superspreaders.

[San Lumen]

Your comparing an apple to an orange, A football game is not the same as a parade.

And parades during pandemics become superspreaders.

What about next year when the pandemic will be over? what's being proposed is not practical.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm not suggesting that only those with tickets can attend, I don't really give a shit about the details of New York Pride. I'm refuting your assertion that it would not be feasible in general to ask attendees to show proof of vaccination by giving you examples of events that do require that people show some kind of paperwork, tickets, ID, whatever, before entering.

It's starting to sound like your concern is literally just that you might not be able to attend Pride. Are you going to keep making up lies about it being impossible to ask people for proof of vaccination, or are you going to tell us what your real objection is?

With the number of people that attend its not practical. We should not restructure everything over one virus.

Manchester Pride has been ticket only for years now. It's perfectly practical.

[Ifreann]

It's perfectly practical, you've been given examples of similar things being done at other large events.

When you keep insisting that a thing is impossible despite being shown examples of it happening, you are not just wrong, you are lying. Are you going to keep lying or are you going to tell us what your real objection is?

Your comparing an apple to an orange, A football game is not the same as a parade.

I never compared a football game to a parade. You said that it was unfair that people might not be able to get tickets, and the Super Bowl was just an example of another ticketed event for which people might not be able to get tickets. You're now lying about my arguments to avoid just fucking telling us what your problem really is.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... vaccinated

White House: 100 million Americans now fully vaccinated

[Vassenor]

Your comparing an apple to an orange, A football game is not the same as a parade.

I never compared a football game to a parade. You said that it was unfair that people might not be able to get tickets, and the Super Bowl was just an example of another ticketed event for which people might not be able to get tickets. You're now lying about my arguments to avoid just fucking telling us what your problem really is.

It's almost like we're doing the "I don't want to get vaccinated and demand that there be no consequences for me" dance again.

[San Lumen]

I never compared a football game to a parade. You said that it was unfair that people might not be able to get tickets, and the Super Bowl was just an example of another ticketed event for which people might not be able to get tickets. You're now lying about my arguments to avoid just fucking telling us what your problem really is.

It's almost like we're doing the "I don't want to get vaccinated and demand that there be no consequences for me" dance again.

I got the first shot already.

[Ifreann]

It's almost like we're doing the "I don't want to get vaccinated and demand that there be no consequences for me" dance again.

I got the first shot already.

Then what the fuck is your problem?

[The Free Joy State]

And parades during pandemics become superspreaders.

What about next year when the pandemic will be over? what's being proposed is not practical.

As has being pointed out, it is practical for street events to be ticket-only. Fartsniffage pointed out that that is how Manchester Pride has done it for years, and that Christmas Market I was talking about welcomed many thousands of people a day. And this was all before the pandemic.

So, that goes back to the former part of this quote:

It's perfectly simple to close off a few streets.

They already do that but your suggesting only those with tickets can come in. That’s not fair nor practical.

That is to say, that it's not fair.

Which is... well, unfortunate, but, just a part of life. It's not fair when all the tickets to a big show were sold-out within days, so I can't see it. That's not to say theatres should have oversold the show and let everyone sit on the stairs and blocked the fire escapes, at the risk of the safety of others. Even if it would feel fairer.

[Ethel mermania]

The super bowl is held in a stadium. There is a limited number of seats by design. Pride is held over the course of several streets and the festival is in a large portion of Greenwich Village.

There's a limited amount of space in Greenwich Village.

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That’s what I’ve been saying. It’s impossible to enforce

It's perfectly simple to close off a few streets.

Not there it isn't its well over a mile on streets with active businesses

And the Halloween parade is amazing,, but also winds through the streets. We'll worth seeing if you ever get a chance

[Ethel mermania]

I got the first shot already.

Then what the fuck is your problem?

We could ask the same of you

[San Lumen]

There's a limited amount of space in Greenwich Village.

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It's perfectly simple to close off a few streets.

Not there it isn't its well over a mile on streets with active businesses

And the Halloween parade is amazing,, but also winds through the streets. We'll worth seeing if you ever get a chance

I hope to go this year and hopefully masks are no longer mandated and i think it’s very likely they won’t be.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

I can see where San Lumen is coming from and his fears of an authoritarian dystopia and the emergence of a vaccine apartheid state are not entirely without merit.

Picture this scenario. Suppose that Hong Kong only uses the crappy Sinovac vaccine while Pfizer and other, more trustworthy brands are unavailable. Vaccinations are voluntary, but getting the Sinovac shot is the only way to dine at restaurants, go shopping, go back to work, go to school, or even leave the country. The vast majority of those who have received or are willing to receive the Sinovac jab are mainly pro-PRC loyalists while those who would rather receive the Pfizer shot, which is unavailable in Hong Kong, tend to be mainly pro-democracy dissidents who distrust any vaccine coming out of China.

Pan-democrats and their supporters will find themselves increasingly cut off from society while those who wish to flee Hong Kong will find themselves unable to do so. Political apartheid will be the outcome even if vaccinations are not technically mandatory. At the very least, it's a form of trolling blackmail. Pan-democrats and their families, who will be condemned to begging for scraps under a bridge, will be cynically and inaccurately smeared and stigmatized as "anti-vaxxers".

I can see how vaccine passports can be abused, especially if governments such as my own roundly insist on not allowing people to choose which type of vaccine they would like to be inoculated with. For this reason, I'm not going to jump on the vaccine passport bandwagon either in favor or against the idea because it all feels very draconian to me. As a compromise, maybe allow private businesses and premises to enforce their own restrictions while the government butts out?

Infected Mushroom said they got BioNTech though.

Pfizer's being used in HK. I know. My brother gets his second dose tomorrow.

Another relative of mine just got his first Pfizer shot here in Sarawak, which wants to complete the vaccine rollout before a state election is legally required to be held this August, months ahead of the rest of the country. The state government has rejected AstraZeneca and demanded Pfizer. The federal government will very likely screw us over and we'll likely end up with a mix of Pfizer and Sinovac. I'm feeling really apprehensive right now and upset that people in Singapore, the U.S., Europe, and elsewhere are getting Pfizer, Moderna, and AZ shots in large numbers while over here, I have absolutely no say and no control over what happens to me and my loved ones.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/551159-white-house-100-million-americans-now-fully-vaccinated

White House: 100 million Americans now fully vaccinated

Congratulations.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/551159-white-house-100-million-americans-now-fully-vaccinated

White House: 100 million Americans now fully vaccinated

Good job. I'm glad we're really getting this going.

[The Huskar Social Union]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/551159-white-house-100-million-americans-now-fully-vaccinated

White House: 100 million Americans now fully vaccinated

Good job. I'm glad we're really getting this going.

What a difference between the last two years eh

[North Washington Republic]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/551159-white-house-100-million-americans-now-fully-vaccinated

White House: 100 million Americans now fully vaccinated

Good job. I'm glad we're really getting this going.

I’m still surprised that the United States is in 3rd place in terms of vaccination rates. What I’m even more surprised is that Japan vaccination rates is REALLY low. Japan is nationalist and collectivist AF, and I thought that they would be at least at the top 5.

[North Washington Republic]

Good job. I'm glad we're really getting this going.

What a difference between the last two years eh

BoJo and Biden have been kicking ass in terms of getting people vaccinated.

[Ethel mermania]

Good job. I'm glad we're really getting this going.

What a difference between the last two years eh

Maybe not. In NYC anyway after early April the rates look the same. Last week of mid March 2020 to beginning of April was a war zone, then it dropped rapidly look at long term

https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus- ... c-new-york

[Glorious Hong Kong]

What a difference between the last two years eh

BoJo and Biden have been kicking ass in terms of getting people vaccinated.

BUILD BACK BETTER

- BiJo

[CoraSpia]

The super bowl is held in a stadium. There is a limited number of seats by design. Pride is held over the course of several streets and the festival is in a large portion of Greenwich Village.

There's a limited amount of space in Greenwich Village.

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That’s what I’ve been saying. It’s impossible to enforce

It's perfectly simple to close off a few streets.

The point is that anyone can go though, it's meant to be open to everybody.

[Xmara]

I have covid arm

[The Huskar Social Union]

My best mate got his second dose, he is all vaccinated up