Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[-SARS-]

But he's totally gone off the deep end. He went from "maybe covid was more widespread in the population than we thought" to "HAHA liberals you're cowards and scared of a virus that's just the flu. Fuck vaccination, you're all sheep and Donald Trump was right. Covid is a hoax. It isnt deadly."

One of my closest friends believes that COVID is a hoax and a scam. I’ve found that them denying what nearly all doctors are saying makes them feel smarter or superior than the general populace. Also, people don’t like lockdowns and Americans generally don’t like being told what to do.

I've noticed that feeling of superiority from someone I know who is antivax.

I also think that some people are so wrapped up in their human-supremacist bullshit that it would break their whole worldview if they acknowledged the threat of COVID. How do you reconcile "Humans are clearly the dominant species on Earth, and no other species even comes close!" and "We are getting our butts kicked by a tiny blob of RNA"?

[Uiiop]

My arm is killing me! Second dose is definitely worse than the first!

It hurted about the same for me medicated as the first one without.
Tylenol of course.

[The Free Joy State]

My arm is killing me! Second dose is definitely worse than the first!

I've only found my arm hurt this time if I accidentally leant on it or moved it too much. Then I got pains up and down from the injection site, saying, Hey, I'm still here, you know!

[Glorious Hong Kong]

I can see where San Lumen is coming from and his fears of an authoritarian dystopia and the emergence of a vaccine apartheid state are not entirely without merit.

Picture this scenario. Suppose that Hong Kong only uses the crappy Sinovac vaccine while Pfizer and other, more trustworthy brands are unavailable. Vaccinations are voluntary, but getting the Sinovac shot is the only way to dine at restaurants, go shopping, go back to work, go to school, or even leave the country. The vast majority of those who have received or are willing to receive the Sinovac jab are mainly pro-PRC loyalists while those who would rather receive the Pfizer shot, which is unavailable in Hong Kong, tend to be mainly pro-democracy dissidents who distrust any vaccine coming out of China.

Pan-democrats and their supporters will find themselves increasingly cut off from society while those who wish to flee Hong Kong will find themselves unable to do so. Political apartheid will be the outcome even if vaccinations are not technically mandatory. At the very least, it's a form of trolling blackmail. Pan-democrats and their families, who will be condemned to begging for scraps under a bridge, will be cynically and inaccurately smeared and stigmatized as "anti-vaxxers".

I can see how vaccine passports can be abused, especially if governments such as my own roundly insist on not allowing people to choose which type of vaccine they would like to be inoculated with. For this reason, I'm not going to jump on the vaccine passport bandwagon either in favor or against the idea because it all feels very draconian to me. As a compromise, maybe allow private businesses and premises to enforce their own restrictions while the government butts out?

[North Washington Republic]

I can see where San Lumen is coming from and his fears of an authoritarian dystopia and the emergence of a vaccine apartheid state are not entirely without merit.

Picture this scenario. Suppose that Hong Kong only uses the crappy Sinovac vaccine while Pfizer and other, more trustworthy brands are unavailable. Vaccinations are voluntary, but getting the Sinovac shot is the only way to dine at restaurants, go shopping, go back to work, go to school, or even leave the country. The vast majority of those who have received or are willing to receive the Sinovac jab are mainly pro-PRC loyalists while those who would rather receive the Pfizer shot, which is unavailable in Hong Kong, tend to be mainly pro-democracy dissidents who distrust any vaccine coming out of China.

Pan-democrats and their supporters will find themselves increasingly cut off from society while those who wish to flee Hong Kong will find themselves unable to do so. Political apartheid will be the outcome even if vaccinations are not technically mandatory. At the very least, it's a form of trolling blackmail. Pan-democrats and their families, who will be condemned to begging for scraps under a bridge, will be cynically and inaccurately smeared and stigmatized as "anti-vaxxers".

I can see how vaccine passports can be abused, especially if governments such as my own roundly insist on not allowing people to choose which type of vaccine they would like to be inoculated with. For this reason, I'm not going to jump on the vaccine passport bandwagon either in favor or against the idea because it all feels very draconian to me. As a compromise, maybe allow private businesses and premises to enforce their own restrictions while the government butts out?

This is essentially my position. I can’t not say what the situation in Hong Kong is or will be, but in the United States, right-wing politicians have the support of anti-vaxers, and are considering laws that prevent private business from refusing service to unvaccinated persons.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

I can see where San Lumen is coming from and his fears of an authoritarian dystopia and the emergence of a vaccine apartheid state are not entirely without merit.

Picture this scenario. Suppose that Hong Kong only uses the crappy Sinovac vaccine while Pfizer and other, more trustworthy brands are unavailable. Vaccinations are voluntary, but getting the Sinovac shot is the only way to dine at restaurants, go shopping, go back to work, go to school, or even leave the country. The vast majority of those who have received or are willing to receive the Sinovac jab are mainly pro-PRC loyalists while those who would rather receive the Pfizer shot, which is unavailable in Hong Kong, tend to be mainly pro-democracy dissidents who distrust any vaccine coming out of China.

Pan-democrats and their supporters will find themselves increasingly cut off from society while those who wish to flee Hong Kong will find themselves unable to do so. Political apartheid will be the outcome even if vaccinations are not technically mandatory. At the very least, it's a form of trolling blackmail. Pan-democrats and their families, who will be condemned to begging for scraps under a bridge, will be cynically and inaccurately smeared and stigmatized as "anti-vaxxers".

I can see how vaccine passports can be abused, especially if governments such as my own roundly insist on not allowing people to choose which type of vaccine they would like to be inoculated with. For this reason, I'm not going to jump on the vaccine passport bandwagon either in favor or against the idea because it all feels very draconian to me. As a compromise, maybe allow private businesses and premises to enforce their own restrictions while the government butts out?

This is essentially my position. I can’t not say what the situation in Hong Kong is or will be, but in the United States, right-wing politicians have the support of anti-vaxers, and are considering laws that prevent private business from refusing service to unvaccinated persons.

This opens up yet another can of worms, namely: should businesses be allowed to discriminate against customers? I've always believed that restaurants, shopping malls, etc. should be required to serve and treat all customers equally even if their name is Richard Spencer, Louis Farrakhan, Mahathir Mohamad, Carrie Lam, or [insert anyone else I really, really despise here] unless they make a scene. Unvaccinated persons and pets really do pose a legitimate health & safety risk though.

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US recovery from pandemic recession is showing momentum

Seriously, I'm impressed Biden managed to turn things around at lightning speed.

[The Huskar Social Union]

They are now vaccinating 30-34 year olds in Northern Ireland. Im in the next age group so might get vaccinated sooner than i thought.

[Valentine Z]

They are now vaccinating 30-34 year olds in Northern Ireland. Im in the next age group so might get vaccinated sooner than i thought.

All the best to you, and hey, I hope everything will be fine!

As for myself, ahh, my parents recently got their first shot. Second dose due next month or so. Mom felt the side effects a bit more, but nothing over the counter meds couldn't handle.

My younger brother already got both shots since he was in conscription (I finished mine earlier), so here's to me being the last person in the family to get a shot, probably around June or July as Singapore goes down the age group.

[New Visayan Islands]

Data for PH as of April 30th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update in Tagalog. Key data to consider:

• 54025 people were tested, with a 17% positivity rate. That's 9184 positive results for SARS-CoV-2 if you did the math and rounded off to the nearest whole person because 9184.25 is the exact amount.
• 8748 people were added to the "I have The Coof" tally.
• 4143 people moved to the "I survived The Coof" tally, and 89 people croaked.

Also:

• ...hopefully they get administered ASAP. (I'd joke about the reactions to Gamaleya, but that ship has sailed.)
• RU: Your pets will soon enjoy Comrade Coof Shot!
• TL;DR: FFS, we need to hurry up!
• USD 18.4 billion in loans to fight The Coof.

[Esalia]

This is essentially my position. I can’t not say what the situation in Hong Kong is or will be, but in the United States, right-wing politicians have the support of anti-vaxers, and are considering laws that prevent private business from refusing service to unvaccinated persons.

This opens up yet another can of worms, namely: should businesses be allowed to discriminate against customers? I've always believed that restaurants, shopping malls, etc. should be required to serve and treat all customers equally even if their name is Richard Spencer, Louis Farrakhan, Mahathir Mohamad, Carrie Lam, or [insert anyone else I really, really despise here] unless they make a scene. Unvaccinated persons and pets really do pose a legitimate health & safety risk though.

I'm not personally a fan of allowing businesses to discriminate against customers, but "this customer is a safety risk" is a reason I'm perfectly okay with, and as you said unvaccinated individuals are a potential health and safety risk health risk.

Though ideally it would only be done when the vaccine is available to everyone (or at least allow people who can't access the vaccine to still be a customer) and allow people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine to be exempt.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

My arm is killing me! Second dose is definitely worse than the first!

It hurted about the same for me medicated as the first one without.
Tylenol of course.

My husband described his second dose arm pain as being punched by a gorilla repeatedly. Muscle rubs help somewhat too.

[Valentine Z]

On another note, Singapore recently hit the highest community cases since the last 9 months.

16 new community COVID-19 cases reported in Singapore, highest in more than 9 months. 8 cases are linked to the nurse at Tan Tock Seng Hospital and 7 are family members of the ICA officer at Changi Airport.

[In total], 35 new COVID-19 infections reported in Singapore as of noon on Thursday (Apr 29). This is the highest number of community infections in Singapore since Jul 11 last year, when 24 community cases were reported.

Source: https://cna.asia/3nDYcNK

[San Lumen]

This opens up yet another can of worms, namely: should businesses be allowed to discriminate against customers? I've always believed that restaurants, shopping malls, etc. should be required to serve and treat all customers equally even if their name is Richard Spencer, Louis Farrakhan, Mahathir Mohamad, Carrie Lam, or [insert anyone else I really, really despise here] unless they make a scene. Unvaccinated persons and pets really do pose a legitimate health & safety risk though.

I'm not personally a fan of allowing businesses to discriminate against customers, but "this customer is a safety risk" is a reason I'm perfectly okay with, and as you said unvaccinated individuals are a potential health and safety risk health risk.

Though ideally it would only be done when the vaccine is available to everyone (or at least allow people who can't access the vaccine to still be a customer) and allow people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine to be exempt.

I don’t think every business should be asking your medical information before you enter. How are you going to hold an event such as a parade or festival if your checking that? I don’t see how it’s feasible.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm not personally a fan of allowing businesses to discriminate against customers, but "this customer is a safety risk" is a reason I'm perfectly okay with, and as you said unvaccinated individuals are a potential health and safety risk health risk.

Though ideally it would only be done when the vaccine is available to everyone (or at least allow people who can't access the vaccine to still be a customer) and allow people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine to be exempt.

I don’t think every business should be asking your medical information before you enter. How are you going to hold an event such as a parade or festival if your checking that? I don’t see how it’s feasible.

It's not tbh. I think restrictions should end when 70% of America is vaccinated, not based on some vaccine passport shit.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm not personally a fan of allowing businesses to discriminate against customers, but "this customer is a safety risk" is a reason I'm perfectly okay with, and as you said unvaccinated individuals are a potential health and safety risk health risk.

Though ideally it would only be done when the vaccine is available to everyone (or at least allow people who can't access the vaccine to still be a customer) and allow people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine to be exempt.

I don’t think every business should be asking your medical information before you enter. How are you going to hold an event such as a parade or festival if your checking that? I don’t see how it’s feasible.

An RFID reader for the microchip the vaccine uses


I do agree with you a business should not be able to refuse service based on a vaccine. Health is private I dont have an issue if they require a mask and a temp check.

[San Lumen]

I don’t think every business should be asking your medical information before you enter. How are you going to hold an event such as a parade or festival if your checking that? I don’t see how it’s feasible.

An RFID reader for the microchip the vaccine uses


I do agree with you a business should not be able to refuse service based on a vaccine. Health is private I dont have an issue if they require a mask and a temp check.

Temp check fine but medical records? No that’s private. Plus once the mandate is dropped many businesses will stop requiring masks.

[Ethel mermania]

Shot update

Boys got shot #2 Pfizer on wed

Boy #1 had a sore arm, but otherwise is fine.

Boy #2 still feels like shit and has a pretty large red welt at the injection site.

[Ifreann]

I'm not personally a fan of allowing businesses to discriminate against customers, but "this customer is a safety risk" is a reason I'm perfectly okay with, and as you said unvaccinated individuals are a potential health and safety risk health risk.

Though ideally it would only be done when the vaccine is available to everyone (or at least allow people who can't access the vaccine to still be a customer) and allow people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine to be exempt.

I don’t think every business should be asking your medical information before you enter. How are you going to hold an event such as a parade or festival if your checking that? I don’t see how it’s feasible.

It would actually be very easy, no more difficult than controlling entry to an over 18s event.

[San Lumen]

I don’t think every business should be asking your medical information before you enter. How are you going to hold an event such as a parade or festival if your checking that? I don’t see how it’s feasible.

It would actually be very easy, no more difficult than controlling entry to an over 18s event.

No it wouldn’t. How is a festival or event like pride going to happen?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Shot update

Boys got shot #2 Pfizer on wed

Boy #1 had a sore arm, but otherwise is fine.

Boy #2 still feels like shit and has a pretty large red welt at the injection site.

The welt is an immune reaction and should get better soon. If it itches, use antihistamine cream. If it’s hot to the touch, cold compresses bring relief. Watch out for rashes and hives. Gallo got hives the evening after his second shot and had to be given antihistamine by mouth.

[Ifreann]

It would actually be very easy, no more difficult than controlling entry to an over 18s event.

No it wouldn’t. How is a festival or event like pride going to happen?

The same way any restricted entry event happens. Why are you being so ridiculous about this? It's no harder to check for proof of vaccination than it is to check for proof of age or something like that.

[San Lumen]

No it wouldn’t. How is a festival or event like pride going to happen?

The same way any restricted entry event happens. Why are you being so ridiculous about this? It's no harder to check for proof of vaccination than it is to check for proof of age or something like that.

Do you know how large that event is? It’s not feasible.

[Esalia]

I'm not personally a fan of allowing businesses to discriminate against customers, but "this customer is a safety risk" is a reason I'm perfectly okay with, and as you said unvaccinated individuals are a potential health and safety risk health risk.

Though ideally it would only be done when the vaccine is available to everyone (or at least allow people who can't access the vaccine to still be a customer) and allow people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine to be exempt.

I don’t think every business should be asking your medical information before you enter. How are you going to hold an event such as a parade or festival if your checking that? I don’t see how it’s feasible.

I'm not saying it should be mandatory (especially in scenarios where it's just not possible), but I'm not gonna be losing sleep if antivaxxers find that intentionally being a danger comes with consequences.

[Vassenor]

The same way any restricted entry event happens. Why are you being so ridiculous about this? It's no harder to check for proof of vaccination than it is to check for proof of age or something like that.

Do you know how large that event is? It’s not feasible.

If the biggest music festivals on the planet can check your tickets then they can check your vaccination card too.

[Ifreann]

The same way any restricted entry event happens. Why are you being so ridiculous about this? It's no harder to check for proof of vaccination than it is to check for proof of age or something like that.

Do you know how large that event is? It’s not feasible.

Of course it's feasible. There are events that have hundreds of thousands of attendees who have to present their tickets, ID, and submit to a search for contraband. These are not challenges that exceed humanity's organisational capabilities.