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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
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YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:35 pm

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Ok if you say so. Why has no government announced any of the insane proposals other people have come up with here? Perhaps they know how unpopular it would be and that it would be career ending and likely lead to impeachment.


Because the western world is run by cowards who for the past half century have been unwilling to take measures needed to actually solve problems.

They are not cowards. if any executive tried to do what people have suggested the last few pages they'd be removed from office by whatever process that country uses.

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Postby Lamoni » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:39 pm

Vetalia wrote:https://i.imgur.com/n5sj1HL.png

Enough said.

We obviously need more TikTok dancing FRONTLINE HEALTHCARE HEROES to force more elderly people to die alone so that the DEADLY VIRUS doesn't spread any further. Remember that we are ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, especially the world's top 0.1%. Remember those celebrities singing "Imagine" from their mansions?

That being said, thank God for Texas and Florida...where is the IMPENDING DOOM our CDC director cried about a few weeks ago? She begged us as a mother, daughter, grandmother and whatever the hell else but it's just plain not happening. It'll happen in two more weeks just like the SUPERSPREADER BOWL.

I'm un-vaccinated and have no plans to change that any time soon..and in fact I've eaten out at restaurants every weekend since DeWine relaxed his orders (although thankfully they will be totally overturned soon). I estimate I killed 100,000 grandmas.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:42 pm

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I have more experience with militia groups than most on NSG and I can assure you very few of those people are willing to actually fight. It's a hobby thing for most, which is what led to me drifting away from those groups.


Tell me why hasn't the government gone after them all? Why don't they announce the other insane proposals that have been discussed?


Spouting off is a protected right for one thing. Guys playing soldier/paintball/whatever in the woods in not a major concern. Sure they will be checked out if there is a large membership. Leaders for example if they rant about something and speak of violence, etc. Maybe a check of purchases; types of ammo, etc.

Other then that? Too many weekend warriors to monitor and little to gain from the effort.

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Even then what has this got to do with Covid?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:43 pm

I know Vetalia isn't here right now but I just wanna say you're sick if you mock fucking medical workers for the work they do. Those doctors are risking their very lives to save others and then here comes the covid deniers to not only deny a very real disaster but to mock people who hold our fucking society up. It's a real shame imo. This ain't a country fit for heroes.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Michigan is full of militia groups. engaging these people full on isn;t worth it and any ridiculous proposal you or anyone else has come up with is not going to be implemented by any government because of not only how unfeasible it would be but how unpopular it would be.

Few are going to support mass segregation based on getting one vaccine, walling off entire communities or mass arrests.


I have more experience with militia groups than most on NSG and I can assure you very few of those people are willing to actually fight. It's a hobby thing for most, which is what led to me drifting away from those groups.


I wouldn't say very few. Not most but not very few. I've dealt with too many militia types in my life and there's enough of them who are willing to fight that it concerns me. We saw this on live TV January 6th.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:44 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I know Vetalia isn't here right now but I just wanna say you're sick if you mock fucking medical workers for the work they do. Those doctors are risking their very lives to save others and then here comes the covid deniers to not only deny a very real disaster but to mock people who hold our fucking society up. It's a real shame imo. This ain't a country fit for heroes.


We have heroes, those doctors and nurses. We just continue to celebrate the wrong people, unfortunately.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:45 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I know Vetalia isn't here right now but I just wanna say you're sick if you mock fucking medical workers for the work they do. Those doctors are risking their very lives to save others and then here comes the covid deniers to not only deny a very real disaster but to mock people who hold our fucking society up. It's a real shame imo. This ain't a country fit for heroes.


We have heroes, those doctors and nurses. We just continue to celebrate the wrong people, unfortunately.


It isnt fit for heroes in the sense you give your all and people trash you in the end.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:45 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I have more experience with militia groups than most on NSG and I can assure you very few of those people are willing to actually fight. It's a hobby thing for most, which is what led to me drifting away from those groups.


I wouldn't say very few. Not most but not very few. I've dealt with too many militia types in my life and there's enough of them who are willing to fight that it concerns me. We saw this on live TV January 6th.


Jan. 6th is actually a great indictment against them. The militia response was comically inept.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:46 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
We have heroes, those doctors and nurses. We just continue to celebrate the wrong people, unfortunately.


It isnt fit for heroes in the sense you give your all and people trash you in the end.


We can also be a very ungrateful society, sadly.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I wouldn't say very few. Not most but not very few. I've dealt with too many militia types in my life and there's enough of them who are willing to fight that it concerns me. We saw this on live TV January 6th.


Jan. 6th is actually a great indictment against them. The militia response was comically inept.

Only because they didn't;t know the building well. if they did we could have had seen a massacre occur. Its a good thing you and others aren't in charge because the proposals you and others have given would get you impeached and removed from office.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jan. 6th is actually a great indictment against them. The militia response was comically inept.

Only because they didn't;t know the building well. if they did we could have had seen a massacre occur.


No, their response was inept because their QRF was literally one elderly man, who didn't even do his job.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:58 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Only because they didn't;t know the building well. if they did we could have had seen a massacre occur.


No, their response was inept because their QRF was literally one elderly man, who didn't even do his job.


Playing QRF doesn’t make you a QRF.

Shouldn’t this move to the the American politics thread?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:59 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I wouldn't say very few. Not most but not very few. I've dealt with too many militia types in my life and there's enough of them who are willing to fight that it concerns me. We saw this on live TV January 6th.


Jan. 6th is actually a great indictment against them. The militia response was comically inept.


I never said they were good at what they did. Only that that wanted to fight.

Thank God in heaven that Trump's version of the SA is a disappointing train wreck of online edgelords and wannabe Bravehearts like that horned guy. If the Trump uprising had been led by smart people, we would either be dead, hiding or fighting a guerilla war right now against Trump Uber Alles.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:00 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jan. 6th is actually a great indictment against them. The militia response was comically inept.


I never said they were good at what they did. Only that that wanted to fight.

Thank God in heaven that Trump's version of the SA is a disappointing train wreck of online edgelords and wannabe Bravehearts like that horned guy. If the Trump uprising had been led by smart people, we would either be dead, hiding or fighting a guerilla war right now against Trump Uber Alles.

Its very likely multiple Representatives and Senators would have been killed.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:00 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I know Vetalia isn't here right now but I just wanna say you're sick if you mock fucking medical workers for the work they do. Those doctors are risking their very lives to save others and then here comes the covid deniers to not only deny a very real disaster but to mock people who hold our fucking society up. It's a real shame imo. This ain't a country fit for heroes.


It wasn't the first time he was saying something like that and ranting about dancing nurses. It's sad he went down this route since I remember back in the day Vetalia as being a reasonable and friendly fellow, even when we didn often agreed.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:01 pm

Nakena wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I know Vetalia isn't here right now but I just wanna say you're sick if you mock fucking medical workers for the work they do. Those doctors are risking their very lives to save others and then here comes the covid deniers to not only deny a very real disaster but to mock people who hold our fucking society up. It's a real shame imo. This ain't a country fit for heroes.


It wasn't the first time he was saying something like that and ranting about dancing nurses. It's sad he went down this route since I remember back in the day Vetalia as being a reasonable and friendly fellow, even when we didn often agreed.


I remember too when he was normal. Idk what happened, it's like Donald Trump made him breath in his Maga spores and they infected him.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I never said they were good at what they did. Only that that wanted to fight.

Thank God in heaven that Trump's version of the SA is a disappointing train wreck of online edgelords and wannabe Bravehearts like that horned guy. If the Trump uprising had been led by smart people, we would either be dead, hiding or fighting a guerilla war right now against Trump Uber Alles.

Its very likely multiple Representatives and Senators would have been killed.


Mike Pence would have met Jesus early if these guys had been good at what they did. As much as I'm not a fan of Michael Pence, I think it's a good thing they did not get their hands on him.

Okay who wants to move this to the AP thread? I can cross-post to there if need be.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:03 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It wasn't the first time he was saying something like that and ranting about dancing nurses. It's sad he went down this route since I remember back in the day Vetalia as being a reasonable and friendly fellow, even when we didn often agreed.


I remember too when he was normal. Idk what happened, it's like Donald Trump made him breath in his Maga spores and they infected him.


Might be just going through a bad period. It happens and NSG can be an outlet....though it can get you into trouble.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:03 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its very likely multiple Representatives and Senators would have been killed.


Mike Pence would have met Jesus early if these guys had been good at what they did. As much as I'm not a fan of Michael Pence, I think it's a good thing they did not get their hands on him.

Okay who wants to move this to the AP thread? I can cross-post to there if need be.


Good ahead and do it.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:04 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I remember too when he was normal. Idk what happened, it's like Donald Trump made him breath in his Maga spores and they infected him.


Might be just going through a bad period. It happens and NSG can be an outlet....though it can get you into trouble.


But he's totally gone off the deep end. He went from "maybe covid was more widespread in the population than we thought" to "HAHA liberals you're cowards and scared of a virus that's just the flu. Fuck vaccination, you're all sheep and Donald Trump was right. Covid is a hoax. It isnt deadly."
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:14 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Might be just going through a bad period. It happens and NSG can be an outlet....though it can get you into trouble.


But he's totally gone off the deep end. He went from "maybe covid was more widespread in the population than we thought" to "HAHA liberals you're cowards and scared of a virus that's just the flu. Fuck vaccination, you're all sheep and Donald Trump was right. Covid is a hoax. It isnt deadly."


One of my closest friends believes that COVID is a hoax and a scam. I’ve found that them denying what nearly all doctors are saying makes them feel smarter or superior than the general populace. Also, people don’t like lockdowns and Americans generally don’t like being told what to do.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:15 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
But he's totally gone off the deep end. He went from "maybe covid was more widespread in the population than we thought" to "HAHA liberals you're cowards and scared of a virus that's just the flu. Fuck vaccination, you're all sheep and Donald Trump was right. Covid is a hoax. It isnt deadly."


One of my closest friends believes that COVID is a hoax and a scam. I’ve found that them denying what nearly all doctors are saying makes them feel smarter or superior than the general populace. Also, people don’t like lockdowns and Americans generally don’t like being told what to do.


I know a guy who thinks the vaccine is a Democrat plot with guberment to control you. It's some sad shit.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:20 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
One of my closest friends believes that COVID is a hoax and a scam. I’ve found that them denying what nearly all doctors are saying makes them feel smarter or superior than the general populace. Also, people don’t like lockdowns and Americans generally don’t like being told what to do.


I know a guy who thinks the vaccine is a Democrat plot with guberment to control you. It's some sad shit.


God damn Donald Trump, he could convince nearly half of the vaccine hesitant folks out there to get vaccinated. But he chooses not to because it’s not personal beneficial to him
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:31 pm

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Kowani wrote:we'll manage somehow

Reckless endangerment and child abuse seem to be appropriate for me, but then I am the sort that feels that religious conviction is not an excuse when it comes to ensuring the medical safety of children.

When it comes to children, I agree with you.

A parent's religious beliefs should always be overridden in any situation when it comes to something that preserves the health and life of the child -- blood transfusion, vaccination, accessing medical treatment for a dying child rather than just praying for God's intercession etc. -- but, at least in the UK, the COVID vaccine is not approved for minors yet.

If/when it is, it should absolutely become one of a child's routine vaccines (I have no issue with compulsory vaccination of minors at all). I also have no issue with not allowing unvaccinated young adults 18+ live in university housing -- we needed the full raft of vaccines when I was eighteen; my first week on campus, everyone was lining up to catch up with their jabs (I was already fully inoculated) -- and guidance requiring vaccination for certain high-risk occupations -- in the UK, guidance states that healthcare workers performing procedures prone to exposure should have the Hep B vaccine (although this is not law).
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