Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[San Lumen]

so you segregate up to 30 percent of the population away from society? That's not feasible nor practical.

Its an extreme measure to be sure, but you also seem opposed to even the frankly reasonable system of vaccine passports to have a public life, and the line has to be drawn somewhere; if the "freedom" to continue willfully spread a dangerous virus is upheld, the pandemic will never end, so we need to do something.

Segregation isn’t the answer and it will end. No pandemic is forever.

[Neutraligon]

Its an extreme measure to be sure, but you also seem opposed to even the frankly reasonable system of vaccine passports to have a public life, and the line has to be drawn somewhere; if the "freedom" to continue willfully spread a dangerous virus is upheld, the pandemic will never end, so we need to do something.

Segregation isn’t the answer and it will end. No pandemic is forever.

No, some of them become endemic, though, and continue to kill tens of thousands a year. The flu is an example of this, and Corona is headed in the same direction.

[San Lumen]

Segregation isn’t the answer and it will end. No pandemic is forever.

No, some of them become endemic, though, and continue to kill tens of thousands a year. The flu is an example of this, and Corona is headed in the same direction.

And what do you suggest we do?

[Neutraligon]

No, some of them become endemic, though, and continue to kill tens of thousands a year. The flu is an example of this, and Corona is headed in the same direction.

And what do you suggest we do?

This applies to those who can get vaccinated but do not. No hiring by the government at any level of unvaccinated persons. No unvaccinated child allowed in public schools. A tax on those who are unvaccinated to help pay for the medical expenses of those who cannot vaccinate. Incentivize vaccination among the poor by making a tax reduction. Ensure that Americans actually use their sick leave by making it expensive for companies to try and prevent employees from doing so. Push for wearing masks when one is feeling unwell, as well as on public transportation or when flying (Chinese individuals do a great job of this when flying).

[San Lumen]

And what do you suggest we do?

This applies to those who can get vaccinated but do not. No hiring by the government at any level of unvaccinated persons. No unvaccinated child allowed in public schools. A tax on those who are unvaccinated to help pay for the medical expenses of those who cannot vaccinate. Incentivize vaccination among the poor by making a tax reduction. Ensure that Americans actually use their sick leave by making it expensive for companies to try and prevent employees from doing so. Push for wearing masks when one is feeling unwell, as well as on public transportation or when flying (Chinese individuals do a great job of this when flying).

I can get behind all of those except the tax. Would masks be mandated on public transit or planes or recommended?

[Post War America]

Its an extreme measure to be sure, but you also seem opposed to even the frankly reasonable system of vaccine passports to have a public life, and the line has to be drawn somewhere; if the "freedom" to continue willfully spread a dangerous virus is upheld, the pandemic will never end, so we need to do something.

Segregation isn’t the answer and it will end. No pandemic is forever.

This applies to those who can get vaccinated but do not. No hiring by the government at any level of unvaccinated persons. No unvaccinated child allowed in public schools. A tax on those who are unvaccinated to help pay for the medical expenses of those who cannot vaccinate. Incentivize vaccination among the poor by making a tax reduction. Ensure that Americans actually use their sick leave by making it expensive for companies to try and prevent employees from doing so. Push for wearing masks when one is feeling unwell, as well as on public transportation or when flying (Chinese individuals do a great job of this when flying).

This is a good start; if that fails removing them from society is necessary. We already have places where far less dangerous people are held segregated from wider society, they're called prisons.

[Neutraligon]

This applies to those who can get vaccinated but do not. No hiring by the government at any level of unvaccinated persons. No unvaccinated child allowed in public schools. A tax on those who are unvaccinated to help pay for the medical expenses of those who cannot vaccinate. Incentivize vaccination among the poor by making a tax reduction. Ensure that Americans actually use their sick leave by making it expensive for companies to try and prevent employees from doing so. Push for wearing masks when one is feeling unwell, as well as on public transportation or when flying (Chinese individuals do a great job of this when flying).

I can get behind all of those except the tax. Would masks be mandated on public transit or planes or recommended?

Not sure. Making it hurt is the only way to get certain anti-vaxxers to stop placing other people in danger. We could of course charge them with reckless endangerment.

[San Lumen]

Segregation isn’t the answer and it will end. No pandemic is forever.

This applies to those who can get vaccinated but do not. No hiring by the government at any level of unvaccinated persons. No unvaccinated child allowed in public schools. A tax on those who are unvaccinated to help pay for the medical expenses of those who cannot vaccinate. Incentivize vaccination among the poor by making a tax reduction. Ensure that Americans actually use their sick leave by making it expensive for companies to try and prevent employees from doing so. Push for wearing masks when one is feeling unwell, as well as on public transportation or when flying (Chinese individuals do a great job of this when flying).

This is a good start; if that fails removing them from society is necessary. We already have places where far less dangerous people are held segregated from wider society, they're called prisons.

Imprisonment for someone who doesn’t get a vaccine is insane and I will never get behind such a proposal.

[Kowani]

This is a good start; if that fails removing them from society is necessary. We already have places where far less dangerous people are held segregated from wider society, they're called prisons.

Imprisonment for someone who doesn’t get a vaccine is insane and I will never get behind such a proposal.

we'll manage somehow

[San Lumen]

I can get behind all of those except the tax. Would masks be mandated on public transit or planes or recommended?

Not sure. Making it hurt is the only way to get certain anti-vaxxers to stop placing other people in danger. We could of course charge them with reckless endangerment.

As long as it’s not mandated I can support it.

I don’t think that’s going to hold up in court.

[Neutraligon]

Imprisonment for someone who doesn’t get a vaccine is insane and I will never get behind such a proposal.

we'll manage somehow

Reckless endangerment and child abuse seem to be appropriate for me, but then I am the sort that feels that religious conviction is not an excuse when it comes to ensuring the medical safety of children.

[Stellar Colonies]

"See! See?! I told you that unvaxxed concentration camps would be a thing!1!"
- Anti Covid Vaxxers

[Neutraligon]

Not sure. Making it hurt is the only way to get certain anti-vaxxers to stop placing other people in danger. We could of course charge them with reckless endangerment.

As long as it’s not mandated I can support it.

I don’t think that’s going to hold up in court.

San, I think you have an astronomically bad take when it comes to the virus... or for that matter anything medical.

[San Lumen]

As long as it’s not mandated I can support it.

I don’t think that’s going to hold up in court.

San, I think you have an astronomically bad take when it comes to the virus... or for that matter anything medical.

I am not going to support camps or government run facilities for those who wont get one vaccine. I cannot endorse a segregation of large minority of people or their arrest. Its simply not feasible.

[Kowani]

we'll manage somehow

Reckless endangerment and child abuse seem to be appropriate for me, but then I am the sort that feels that religious conviction is not an excuse when it comes to ensuring the medical safety of children.

i mean, i'm on board with that

San, I think you have an astronomically bad take when it comes to the virus... or for that matter anything medical.

I am not going to support camps or government run facilities for those who wont get one vaccine. I cannot endorse a segregation of large minority of people or their arrest. Its simply not feasible.

have you heard of the prison-industrial complex

[San Lumen]

Reckless endangerment and child abuse seem to be appropriate for me, but then I am the sort that feels that religious conviction is not an excuse when it comes to ensuring the medical safety of children.

i mean, i'm on board with that

I am not going to support camps or government run facilities for those who wont get one vaccine. I cannot endorse a segregation of large minority of people or their arrest. Its simply not feasible.

have you heard of the prison-industrial complex

You can't imprison 35 percent of the population.

[Atheris]

i mean, i'm on board with that


have you heard of the prison-industrial complex

You can't imprison 35 percent of the population.

Pfft. Not with that attitude.

[Post War America]

This is a good start; if that fails removing them from society is necessary. We already have places where far less dangerous people are held segregated from wider society, they're called prisons.

Imprisonment for someone who doesn’t get a vaccine is insane and I will never get behind such a proposal.

Why not? We already imprison people for smoking weed, and actively spreading a deadly virus is much more dangerous to others than smoking some dank kush, and mind this is coming from somebody who is deathly allergic to marajuana.

[Neutraligon]

San, I think you have an astronomically bad take when it comes to the virus... or for that matter anything medical.

I am not going to support camps or government run facilities for those who wont get one vaccine. I cannot endorse a segregation of large minority of people or their arrest. Its simply not feasible.

Considering you wanted to open up basically immediately, yeah I don't care if you think mask-wearing on public transportation should be mandated. Your entire history when it comes to this pandemic has been shit. We already put people in prison for using certain drugs, and the only victim of that crime is the person who decides to use.

[San Lumen]

Imprisonment for someone who doesn’t get a vaccine is insane and I will never get behind such a proposal.

Why not? We already imprison people for smoking weed, and actively spreading a deadly virus is much more dangerous to others than smoking some dank kush, and mind this is coming from somebody who is deathly allergic to marajuana.

You cannot imprison 35 percent of the population. its not even remotely feasible or practical not to mention the tension it would create. Want to create the civil war they talk about as many of them are second amendment fanatics ? That's how you do it.

[Neutraligon]

Why not? We already imprison people for smoking weed, and actively spreading a deadly virus is much more dangerous to others than smoking some dank kush, and mind this is coming from somebody who is deathly allergic to marajuana.

You cannot imprison 35 percent of the population. its not even remotely feasible or practical not to mention the tension it would create. Want to create the civil war they talk about as many of them are second amendment fanatics ? That's how you do it.

We put people in jail for things that are far less dangerous to the public.

[Post War America]

Why not? We already imprison people for smoking weed, and actively spreading a deadly virus is much more dangerous to others than smoking some dank kush, and mind this is coming from somebody who is deathly allergic to marajuana.

You cannot imprison 35 percent of the population. its not even remotely feasible or practical not to mention the tension it would create. Want to create the civil war they talk about as many of them are second amendment fanatics ? That's how you do it.

You wouldn't need to imprison everyone though; take down a few thought leaders and the rest would likely fall in line.

[Kowani]

i mean, i'm on board with that


have you heard of the prison-industrial complex

You can't imprison 35 percent of the population.

firstly, your numbers are off, it's 22% of the population
secondly...sure we can
outright imprisonment is probably not feasible, but segregation definitely is
in case you didn't notice, most anti-vax sentiment is already concentrated in certain areas

whether this is ethical is another question, but in terms of feasibility, you got no legs to stand on

[San Lumen]

You cannot imprison 35 percent of the population. its not even remotely feasible or practical not to mention the tension it would create. Want to create the civil war they talk about as many of them are second amendment fanatics ? That's how you do it.

We put people in jail for things that are far less dangerous to the public.

I am aware but to imprison that percentage of the population is not only insane its unfeasible.

[Atheris]

Why not? We already imprison people for smoking weed, and actively spreading a deadly virus is much more dangerous to others than smoking some dank kush, and mind this is coming from somebody who is deathly allergic to marajuana.

You cannot imprison 35 percent of the population. its not even remotely feasible or practical not to mention the tension it would create. Want to create the civil war they talk about as many of them are second amendment fanatics ? That's how you do it.

Well, yeah you can. You just need a big prison and a few paddy wagons.