Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[The Alma Mater]

I keep hearing about this "blood clot" issue and how it's so dangerous. It's 1,000,000 in 1 of a chance to get it. There's a 100,000 to 1 chance of women getting blood clots from Birth Control and they haven't suspended the sale and distribution of those. Seems like overkill to me for them to suspend the J&J Vaccine over something that is a much lower chance of getting blood clots than other things.

So? You are ok with it happening to you?

Well, the risk of contracting covid and getting bloodclots from that is far HIGHER than the chance to get bloodclots from the vaccine.
So logically, getting the vaccine significantly reduces your chance of getting bloodclots. Not as much as one would like, true - but still vastly better than not taking it.

[The Black Forrest]

So? You are ok with it happening to you?

Well, the risk of contracting covid and getting bloodclots from that is far HIGHER than the chance to get bloodclots from the vaccine.
So logically, getting the vaccine significantly reduces your chance of getting bloodclots. Not as much as one would like, true - but still vastly better than not taking it.

And if you had access to Pfizer/Moderna and JJ; which would you take.

[Neanderthaland]

I keep hearing about this "blood clot" issue and how it's so dangerous. It's 1,000,000 in 1 of a chance to get it. There's a 100,000 to 1 chance of women getting blood clots from Birth Control and they haven't suspended the sale and distribution of those. Seems like overkill to me for them to suspend the J&J Vaccine over something that is a much lower chance of getting blood clots than other things.

So? You are ok with it happening to you?

I would gladly take it over no vaccine.

[Neanderthaland]

Well, the risk of contracting covid and getting bloodclots from that is far HIGHER than the chance to get bloodclots from the vaccine.
So logically, getting the vaccine significantly reduces your chance of getting bloodclots. Not as much as one would like, true - but still vastly better than not taking it.

And if you had access to Pfizer/Moderna and JJ; which would you take.

I would take which ever one was available to me. I ended up taking Moderna, because that's the one that was offered to me. But if all they had was J&J or AstraZenica, I would take that.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, the risk of contracting covid and getting bloodclots from that is far HIGHER than the chance to get bloodclots from the vaccine.
So logically, getting the vaccine significantly reduces your chance of getting bloodclots. Not as much as one would like, true - but still vastly better than not taking it.

And if you had access to Pfizer/Moderna and JJ; which would you take.

That depends. If it is a direct choice, the best one ofc; which currently is pfizer unless you have allergies.
If it is a matter of "J&J today or pfizer in 2 months", I'd pick J&J.

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I keep hearing about this "blood clot" issue and how it's so dangerous. It's 1,000,000 in 1 of a chance to get it. There's a 100,000 to 1 chance of women getting blood clots from Birth Control and they haven't suspended the sale and distribution of those. Seems like overkill to me for them to suspend the J&J Vaccine over something that is a much lower chance of getting blood clots than other things.

So? You are ok with it happening to you?

Are you okay with dying of covid? Mathematically, that is far more likely. I don't quite know how to calculate it but I am quite sure that even waiting just an extra 24 hours hours get another vaccine is more likely to get you killed.

[Altmora]

The fact that we are not allowed to question the vaccine or state conspiracy theories can be just as terrifying as the virus itself. This sort of censorship is disgusting

[The Alma Mater]

The fact that we are not allowed to question the vaccine or state conspiracy theories can be just as terrifying as the virus itself. This sort of censorship is disgusting

You ARE allowed. But will require decent sources, and not "do your own research", shady youtube videos or the opinion of a professor in French literature. Because alllll the disinfomation out there is actively killing people.

[CoraSpia]

The fact that we are not allowed to question the vaccine or state conspiracy theories can be just as terrifying as the virus itself. This sort of censorship is disgusting

You ARE allowed. But will require decent sources, and not "do your own research", shady youtube videos or the opinion of a professor in French literature. Because alllll the disinfomation out there is actively killing people.

Death by thoughtcrime? That's a new one. There was me thinking only physical things could kill me, but I guess I'll have to make sure I don't read any lethal websites.

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If someone can prove me wrong, please do, but my understanding of the blood clot problem with the J&J is that the odds are such that if you magically appeared in a doctor's office right now and were offered the J&J vaccine or you could go grocery shopping and come back in an hour and get one of the other vaccines, your odds of contracting covid that will kill you from one of the people you pass by in that grocery store during that hour are significantly higher than your odds of getting one of those clots.

Humans suck at calculating risks. We do all these little things to avoid infinitesimally unlikely dangers and then get in cars, the number 1 non-disease cause of death. We can see the irrationality in so many ways, like how Americans freak out significantly more at a single act of Islamist terrorism that kills a handful of people than a mass shooting by a "lone wolf" that kills 50.

[The Alma Mater]

You ARE allowed. But will require decent sources, and not "do your own research", shady youtube videos or the opinion of a professor in French literature. Because alllll the disinfomation out there is actively killing people.

Death by thoughtcrime? That's a new one. There was me thinking only physical things could kill me, but I guess I'll have to make sure I don't read any lethal websites.

If a website tells you to drink a bottle of bleach to get rid of Covid and you believe it, you die. Misinformation kills.

Spreading misinformation "for the lulz" or political gains, like most anti-vaxxers do, kills many..

[The Free Joy State]

I keep hearing about this "blood clot" issue and how it's so dangerous. It's 1,000,000 in 1 of a chance to get it. There's a 100,000 to 1 chance of women getting blood clots from Birth Control and they haven't suspended the sale and distribution of those. Seems like overkill to me for them to suspend the J&J Vaccine over something that is a much lower chance of getting blood clots than other things.

So? You are ok with it happening to you?

I didn't have a choice of vaccine. AstraZeneca was available; I got AstraZeneca. My second vaccine will also be AstraZeneca. Although, reassuringly, no cases have been (as yet) reported after the second dose.

Of course, in my case, all the information about blood clots came out just after I'd had my vaccine.

That was a fun week. /s

On the one hand, any serious side effect is a cause for concern. That said, every medication can potentially have a small amount of risk for some people. Birth control is being used as comparison, but -- where women have a history of blood clots or at a substantially higher risk -- there are types of birth control most doctors won't prescribe (same goes if you have a higher familial risk of breast cancer, incidentally). Although research indicates the risk of a blood clot is lower than the risk with the contraceptive pill, offering certain groups a different vaccine seems like it could be beneficial.

[The Alma Mater]

So? You are ok with it happening to you?

I didn't have a choice of vaccine. AstraZeneca was available; I got AstraZeneca. My second vaccine will also be AstraZeneca. Although, reassuringly, no cases have been (as yet) reported after the second dose.

Of course, in my case, all the information about blood clots came out just after I'd had my vaccine.

That was a fun week. /s

On the one hand, any serious side effect is a cause for concern. That said, every medication can potentially have a small amount of risk for some people. Birth control is being used as comparison, but -- where women have a history of blood clots or at a substantially higher risk -- there are types of birth control most doctors won't prescribe (same goes if you have a higher familial risk of breast cancer, incidentally). Although research indicates the risk of a blood clot is lower than the risk with the contraceptive pill, offering certain groups a different vaccine seems like it could be beneficial.

One could also compare it with smoking, which is about 500 times as likely to cause bloodclots - and people willingly pay for that.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

We're screwed

Covid-19 (April 16): 2,551 new cases, Sarawak erupts

COVID-19 | The Health Ministry reported 2,551 new Covid-19 cases, with Sarawak setting a new daily record of 960.

East Malaysia reported more infections with 43.28 percent (1,104 cases) of today's total cases compared to the Klang Valley (32.97 percent, 841 cases).

The number of active Covid-19 cases have risen for 10 days straight, while the number of patients requiring intensive care had been on a six-day uptrend.

Active cases - 18,600
Patients in ICU - 227
Intubated - 91

States

Nearly a third of new cases (315) in Sarawak were attributed to a police training centre in Puncak Borneo, south of Kuching in what is known as the Jalan Puncak Borneo cluster.

The police training centre has been subjected to an enhanced movement control order (MCO).

New cases in Selangor (590) have not been this high since March 12 while Kuala Lumpur (245) have not seen such high numbers since Feb 28.

As of yesterday, the R-naught for the entire country had risen to 1.17, up from a low of 0.81 on March 3. An R-naught of more than 1.00 suggests that the Covid-19 rate of spread is increasing.

The only regions where the figure was less than 1.00 are Penang, Johor, Labuan and Perlis.

Deaths

There were two Covid-19 related deaths reported today. The national death toll stood at 1,365.

The fatalities were reported in Kuala Lumpur and Selangor respectively - both were male citizens.

The Klang Valley alone accounted for 36.1 percent of total Covid-19 deaths in the country.

The victims' details are recorded in Malaysiakini's Covid-19 tracker site.

Clusters

Some 346 clusters are still active, of which 68 saw new cases being added today.

According to the ministry, the most active cluster is the aforementioned Jalan Puncak Borneo cluster. This cluster was classified three days ago.

The second most active is the Jalan Bambangan cluster in Sarawak (99 new cases) and DTI Sandakan, Sabah (55).

Seven new clusters were classified by the Health Ministry today. Notably, one cluster - Jalan Kia Peng - involved an entertainment centre.

Two new clusters were discovered as a result of targeted screening of detention centres.

Covid-19: Sarawak tops country’s new infection with 960 cases

Daily cases are rising even more sharply than health experts predicted would be the case if the rules were flouted by the public. My home state alone has recorded a record high of 960 cases and my hometown has recorded a record high of 370 cases, most of them detected at an overcrowded police academy in the city's south. We've also detected 17 cases of the South African variant in Kuala Lumpur to date. So much for a state of emergency.

Trending hashtag on Twitter: #kerajaangagal [Government FAIL]

[The Free Joy State]

I didn't have a choice of vaccine. AstraZeneca was available; I got AstraZeneca. My second vaccine will also be AstraZeneca. Although, reassuringly, no cases have been (as yet) reported after the second dose.

Of course, in my case, all the information about blood clots came out just after I'd had my vaccine.

That was a fun week. /s

On the one hand, any serious side effect is a cause for concern. That said, every medication can potentially have a small amount of risk for some people. Birth control is being used as comparison, but -- where women have a history of blood clots or at a substantially higher risk -- there are types of birth control most doctors won't prescribe (same goes if you have a higher familial risk of breast cancer, incidentally). Although research indicates the risk of a blood clot is lower than the risk with the contraceptive pill, offering certain groups a different vaccine seems like it could be beneficial.

One could also compare it with smoking, which is about 500 times as likely to cause bloodclots - and people willingly pay for that.

Well, smoking is a different scenario to medication. For starters, we're talking about an addictive substance, which people partake in despite knowing they're also inhaling cyanide and carbon monoxide (both of which you'd be hard-pressed to get added to a medication). Also, at least in the UK, packaging does make people aware that "Smoking Causes Blood Clots".

And -- while you will find few people more pro-vaccine than me -- at least in the UK, patients have the right to informed consent: to be aware of what they're taking, any potential side effects (no matter how unlikely) and also of the benefits and they have to be willing to take it/have the procedure.

[Ifreann]

If someone can prove me wrong, please do, but my understanding of the blood clot problem with the J&J is that the odds are such that if you magically appeared in a doctor's office right now and were offered the J&J vaccine or you could go grocery shopping and come back in an hour and get one of the other vaccines, your odds of contracting covid that will kill you from one of the people you pass by in that grocery store during that hour are significantly higher than your odds of getting one of those clots.

Humans suck at calculating risks. We do all these little things to avoid infinitesimally unlikely dangers and then get in cars, the number 1 non-disease cause of death. We can see the irrationality in so many ways, like how Americans freak out significantly more at a single act of Islamist terrorism that kills a handful of people than a mass shooting by a "lone wolf" that kills 50.

My understanding is that the incidence rate of these blood clots in people who've gotten the vaccine is the same as the incidence rate in the general population before covid or any of the vaccines for it even existed.

I dunno, maybe governments are worried about giving ammo to the anti-vax crowd?

[New Visayan Islands]

I dunno, maybe governments are worried about giving ammo to the anti-vax crowd?

Can't say I blame them in that case.

Data for PH as of April 16th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update. Also:

• Don't mix Coof Shots.
• "'Immediate response,' hell!"
• More Coof Shots on the way.
• COVID checks in.

[Kowani]

Johnson and Johnson: “hey can you help us study the risks of blood clots and address the nation’s fear of them so we can get back to helping fight the disease”
Moderna/Phizer: “lol no”

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Well, the risk of contracting covid and getting bloodclots from that is far HIGHER than the chance to get bloodclots from the vaccine.
So logically, getting the vaccine significantly reduces your chance of getting bloodclots. Not as much as one would like, true - but still vastly better than not taking it.

And if you had access to Pfizer/Moderna and JJ; which would you take.

I got Moderna but that was just cause it's over 90% effective. This blood clot shit is a nothingburger being pushed by the mainstream media to once again strike fear in the population.

[Xmara]

And if you had access to Pfizer/Moderna and JJ; which would you take.

I got Moderna but that was just cause it's over 90% effective. This blood clot shit is a nothingburger being pushed by the mainstream media to once again strike fear in the population.

I got the Moderna too, but that’s because it’s what was available to me. If it wasn’t for the fact that my mom had to take my aunt to get vaccinated that day, I’m not even sure if I would be vaccinated at this point.

Anyway, yeah, if the odds of you getting a blood clot after getting the J&J vaccine are 1 in a million (less than the odds of getting a blood clot from birth control), then I don’t see why we can’t resume using it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I got Moderna but that was just cause it's over 90% effective. This blood clot shit is a nothingburger being pushed by the mainstream media to once again strike fear in the population.

I got the Moderna too, but that’s because it’s what was available to me. If it wasn’t for the fact that my mom had to take my aunt to get vaccinated that day, I’m not even sure if I would be vaccinated at this point.

Anyway, yeah, if the odds of you getting a blood clot after getting the J&J vaccine are 1 in a million (less than the odds of getting a blood clot from birth control), then I don’t see why we can’t resume using it.

You gotten your second dose yet?

[Xmara]

I got the Moderna too, but that’s because it’s what was available to me. If it wasn’t for the fact that my mom had to take my aunt to get vaccinated that day, I’m not even sure if I would be vaccinated at this point.

Anyway, yeah, if the odds of you getting a blood clot after getting the J&J vaccine are 1 in a million (less than the odds of getting a blood clot from birth control), then I don’t see why we can’t resume using it.

You gotten your second dose yet?

Soon. I get it on April 29

[Great Algerstonia]

You gotten your second dose yet?

Soon. I get it on April 29

I get mine April 28.

[Kowani]

Denmark drops AstraZeneca entirely

[Kannap]

Soon. I get it on April 29

I get mine April 28.

I get mine tomorrow