Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Neutraligon]

Guess Lumen is not going to answer me about the cutting corners thing

[The Black Forrest]

Duuuude. The Mandalorian! It’s what the last three movies should have been.

I've never seen a Star War and honestly, at this point, it's too late in the game - there's too much of it.

Expand your geekness.

1 is ok. The best part is the big fight.
2? sucked. The clone wars animation makes up for it.
3. At first I didn’t like it. It later grew on me.
4. You have to watch as it redefined movies.
5. One of the best there is. The battle of Hoth.
6. It’s ok. Just ignore the “chub nub” song at the end.
7. You wanted it to be good. Ray was a good character.
8. Meh. Many issues.
9. Meh. Luke Skywalker deserved a better ending.

You have Disney+. Just watch them once.

Now if you don’t mind animation; I like the clone wars. Rebels is ok. There is another one called the bad batch which is due. It looks promising.

[The Black Forrest]

Guess Lumen is not going to answer me about the cutting corners thing

Nope. He won’t answer the acceptable death count to reopen everything question as well.

[Kannap]

Guess Lumen is not going to answer me about the cutting corners thing

He won't. He also won't answer any questions along the lines of "how many deaths is too many to justify keeping things open business as usual?"

He also ignored my cutting corners posts.

He also never answered any of my questions asking for suggestions as to what we do other than lockdowns and mask mandates.

What will he do? Reply to any post suggesting we lockdown for a bit or that masks are mandatory for now or that things shouldn't be reopened too fast with hyperbolic language insinuating you've suggesting that he should never be able to leave the house ever again unless Uncle Sam approves his 30 minutes of state-approved grocery shopping time.

He's a bit of a one trick pony. He constructed a straw man back in March of 2020 and has been beating the ever living shit out of it for a year now.

[The Black Forrest]

Guess Lumen is not going to answer me about the cutting corners thing

He won't. He also won't answer any questions along the lines of "how many deaths is too many to justify keeping things open business as usual?"

He also ignored my cutting corners posts.

He also never answered any of my questions asking for suggestions as to what we do other than lockdowns and mask mandates.

What will he do? Reply to any post suggesting we lockdown for a bit or that masks are mandatory for now or that things shouldn't be reopened too fast with hyperbolic language insinuating you've suggesting that he should never be able to leave the house ever again unless Uncle Sam approves his 30 minutes of state-approved grocery shopping time.

He's a bit of a one trick pony. He constructed a straw man back in March of 2020 and has been beating the ever living shit out of it for a year now.

Indeed. A rinse and repeat approach. I had a passing thought he was also GMS as the posting style is similar.

[Ethel mermania]

He won't. He also won't answer any questions along the lines of "how many deaths is too many to justify keeping things open business as usual?"

He also ignored my cutting corners posts.

He also never answered any of my questions asking for suggestions as to what we do other than lockdowns and mask mandates.

What will he do? Reply to any post suggesting we lockdown for a bit or that masks are mandatory for now or that things shouldn't be reopened too fast with hyperbolic language insinuating you've suggesting that he should never be able to leave the house ever again unless Uncle Sam approves his 30 minutes of state-approved grocery shopping time.

He's a bit of a one trick pony. He constructed a straw man back in March of 2020 and has been beating the ever living shit out of it for a year now.

Indeed. A rinse and repeat approach. I had a passing thought he was also GMS as the posting style is similar.

Very much not, they each have their own style

But he isn't the topic of this thread

[The Black Forrest]

Indeed. A rinse and repeat approach. I had a passing thought he was also GMS as the posting style is similar.

Very much not, they each have their own style

But he isn't the topic of this thread

True. Sometimes even I get caught up in the argumentative abyss which is NSG.

[Ethel mermania]

Very much not, they each have their own style

But he isn't the topic of this thread

True. Sometimes even I get caught up in the argumentative abyss which is NSG.

Don't we all.

I have to get on an airplane in August, even though we will all be vaccinated by then, we probably will wear kn95 masks on the flights. I kinda feel weird about it, but right now it feels like the right decision.

[The Black Forrest]

True. Sometimes even I get caught up in the argumentative abyss which is NSG.

Don't we all.

I have to get on an airplane in August, even though we will all be vaccinated by then, we probably will wear kn95 masks on the flights. I kinda feel weird about it, but right now it feels like the right decision.

It was. Especially when you consider they canceled the ability to introduce fresh air in the plane. The money guys figured if they closed that off they can increase profits due to drag and fuel consumption. They basically turned a plane into an incubation tube.

[Ethel mermania]

Don't we all.

I have to get on an airplane in August, even though we will all be vaccinated by then, we probably will wear kn95 masks on the flights. I kinda feel weird about it, but right now it feels like the right decision.

It was. Especially when you consider they canceled the ability to introduce fresh air in the plane. The money guys figured if they closed that off they can increase profits due to drag and fuel consumption. They basically turned a plane into an incubation tube.

I have always felt that way. But I was hoping to avoid flying

[The Black Forrest]

It was. Especially when you consider they canceled the ability to introduce fresh air in the plane. The money guys figured if they closed that off they can increase profits due to drag and fuel consumption. They basically turned a plane into an incubation tube.

I have always felt that way. But I was hoping to avoid flying

Even I will admit to having a new fear of flying. I have flown around the world. Trump and covid has instilled a fear.

[Galloism]

Don't we all.

I have to get on an airplane in August, even though we will all be vaccinated by then, we probably will wear kn95 masks on the flights. I kinda feel weird about it, but right now it feels like the right decision.

It was. Especially when you consider they canceled the ability to introduce fresh air in the plane. The money guys figured if they closed that off they can increase profits due to drag and fuel consumption. They basically turned a plane into an incubation tube.

What? This doesn’t even make sense.

[Nakena]

It's bad news. Not unexpected but bad.



They did.

Did they? Example?

https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/fauc ... re-to-stay

I have always felt that way. But I was hoping to avoid flying

Even I will admit to having a new fear of flying. I have flown around the world. Trump and covid has instilled a fear.

What has trump to do with that?

Don't we all.

I have to get on an airplane in August, even though we will all be vaccinated by then, we probably will wear kn95 masks on the flights. I kinda feel weird about it, but right now it feels like the right decision.

It was. Especially when you consider they canceled the ability to introduce fresh air in the plane. The money guys figured if they closed that off they can increase profits due to drag and fuel consumption. They basically turned a plane into an incubation tube.

Sauce please.

[Picairn]

https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/fauc ... re-to-stay

“When we get the country to be 70% to 85% vaccinated, and we get this blanket or umbrella of herd immunity so that the level of virus is so low in society that it's not really a threat to anybody, then we can start coming down on the stringency of the public health measures,” said Dr. Fauci.

The title is some melodramatic bullshit. When we reached herd immunity by vaccinating 70% to 85% of the population then the restrictions will be lifted.

[Galloism]

Did they? Example?

https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/fauc ... re-to-stay

Even I will admit to having a new fear of flying. I have flown around the world. Trump and covid has instilled a fear.

What has trump to do with that?

It was. Especially when you consider they canceled the ability to introduce fresh air in the plane. The money guys figured if they closed that off they can increase profits due to drag and fuel consumption. They basically turned a plane into an incubation tube.

Sauce please.

I call bull, btw. No one is going to go around uninstalling the turbine compressor cabin air bleeder valves.

(Nor would it result in any appreciable fuel/drag changes, since the bleeder valves are inside the engine)

[Great Algerstonia]

I have always felt that way. But I was hoping to avoid flying

Even I will admit to having a new fear of flying. I have flown around the world. Trump and covid has instilled a fear.

You blame everything on that man, do you blame trump for you stubbing your toe too?

[The Black Forrest]

https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/fauc ... re-to-stay



What has trump to do with that?



Sauce please.

I call bull, btw. No one is going to go around uninstalling the turbine compressor cabin air bleeder valves.

(Nor would it result in any appreciable fuel/drag changes, since the bleeder valves are inside the engine)

Well?....ok....might be a case of my foggy memory. This was a pre-covid thing years ago dealing with air circulation and infection.....anyway on circumspect probably not really relevant to covid.

[The Black Forrest]

Even I will admit to having a new fear of flying. I have flown around the world. Trump and covid has instilled a fear.

You blame everything on that man, do you blame trump for you stubbing your toe too?

And I am sure you believe the election was stolen. Anyway let’s stay with covid. Trump has a large hand with it getting out of control in the US.

[Kowani]

...why was this a thing
Businesses in Monterey County, California, sued the county and the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control for continuing to collect licensing and permit fees despite mandated closures due to the Covid pandemic

[The Black Forrest]

...why was this a thing
Businesses in Monterey County, California, sued the county and the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control for continuing to collect licensing and permit fees despite mandated closures due to the Covid pandemic

Eh? The places which sold booze are still selling booze. Basically; you have to buy something to eat with your drinks....

[Galloism]

I call bull, btw. No one is going to go around uninstalling the turbine compressor cabin air bleeder valves.

(Nor would it result in any appreciable fuel/drag changes, since the bleeder valves are inside the engine)

Well?....ok....might be a case of my foggy memory. This was a pre-covid thing years ago dealing with air circulation and infection.....anyway on circumspect probably not really relevant to covid.

Just so you know, cabin air is drawn from the compressor stage of the turbine engine via a bleeder valve that has a calibrated leak into the cabin. The cabin has a calibrated leak in the tail to let air out to keep the plane from becoming overpressurized. There's also a controllable bypass amount into a heat exchanger to maintain temperature appropriately (interestingly, despite the air being very cold up there, the difficulty is keeping the cabin from getting too hot, not too cold).

The air is roughly completely replaced about 20-30 times per hour (depending on the number of engines, size of the aircraft, and throttle setting - higher throttle means the air is replaced more rapidly, so it's more rapidly replaced on climb than descent, for instance) with outside air drawn from the plane's current altitude, which is generally cleaner than air at the surface.

It's a core function of the aircraft. It would be very expensive and, quite frankly, silly to change.

Just so you know. There's no change here.

[The Black Forrest]

Well?....ok....might be a case of my foggy memory. This was a pre-covid thing years ago dealing with air circulation and infection.....anyway on circumspect probably not really relevant to covid.

Just so you know, cabin air is drawn from the compressor stage of the turbine engine via a bleeder valve that has a calibrated leak into the cabin. The cabin has a calibrated leak in the tail to let air out to keep the plane from becoming overpressurized. There's also a controllable bypass amount into a heat exchanger to maintain temperature appropriately (interestingly, despite the air being very cold up there, the difficulty is keeping the cabin from getting too hot, not too cold).

The air is roughly completely replaced about 20-30 times per hour (depending on the number of engines, size of the aircraft, and throttle setting - higher throttle means the air is replaced more rapidly, so it's more rapidly replaced on climb than descent, for instance) with outside air drawn from the plane's current altitude, which is generally cleaner than air at the surface.

It's a core function of the aircraft. It would be very expensive and, quite frankly, silly to change.

Just so you know. There's no change here.

hmmm. Ok. I wonder what I read or heard?

I remember it being something where it was claimed air circulation was reduced which increased infection rates as the air in cabin was recycled and passed around the plane. Obviously happens at higher altitudes....

Anyway. Like I said foggy memory......

[Galloism]

Just so you know, cabin air is drawn from the compressor stage of the turbine engine via a bleeder valve that has a calibrated leak into the cabin. The cabin has a calibrated leak in the tail to let air out to keep the plane from becoming overpressurized. There's also a controllable bypass amount into a heat exchanger to maintain temperature appropriately (interestingly, despite the air being very cold up there, the difficulty is keeping the cabin from getting too hot, not too cold).

The air is roughly completely replaced about 20-30 times per hour (depending on the number of engines, size of the aircraft, and throttle setting - higher throttle means the air is replaced more rapidly, so it's more rapidly replaced on climb than descent, for instance) with outside air drawn from the plane's current altitude, which is generally cleaner than air at the surface.

It's a core function of the aircraft. It would be very expensive and, quite frankly, silly to change.

Just so you know. There's no change here.

hmmm. Ok. I wonder what I read or heard?

I remember it being something where it was claimed air circulation was reduced which increased infection rates as the air in cabin was recycled and passed around the plane. Obviously happens at higher altitudes....

Anyway. Like I said foggy memory......

Not sure. It’s not that though.

You really are talking a core function of the aircraft here.

[Grenartia]

Your spreading hyperbole now.

Pot, meet kettle.

No no facial communication anymore and large events all become things for the history books?

Maybe we can have them again in a few years, once herd immunity, and UVC systems retrofitted into HVAC systems become widespread things, but things like wearing masks and social distancing still need to be normalized, if for nothing else but as a purely preventative measure.

If we take the opportunity to normalize masks and distancing, and make the necessary infrastructural changes, we can probably slash the death rate for the flu, and hobble basically every future pandemic.

But you're too busy whining about not being able to return to the past to realize what a good thing moving on to the future will be.

Don't stop thinking about tomorrow
Don't stop, it'll soon be here
It'll be better than before
Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone

Only the closed-minded, short-sighted, and those who benefit from the existence of the problem would say that.



And no theatre production can happen when 75% of the cast, crew, and audience are in the fucking hospital.



They will if they don't want to die or have preventable deaths in their families.

You know hat I have been impressed by, the zoom orchestras. Not only does it take talent to do your part on your own with no backup, but it also takes talent to edit all those different parts together to make it sound like a good orchestra. Plus I get to enjoy it in the comfort of my home.

I can't say that I've seen any zoom orchestras.

The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic is famously ongoing.

masks and distancing didn't become permanent from that. Why should this be different?

If they had, then we wouldn't be in the present situation. Learn from the past, instead of trying to repeat it.

I am surviving without Opera, theater, movies houses, inside restaurants, etc.

Like, seriously, Lumen, how the fuck do you think us poor people got by before lockdown? You wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in my shoes pre-COVID.

I hate when I say that I can’t wait until restrictions end and people immediately go “so you want millions of people to die?!” Like no, I don’t want people to die. But I miss seeing my loved ones. I miss traveling. I miss not having to constantly worry. I miss living. I’m not saying to reopen right away and ditch all restrictions now. But I would like to know that one day in the near future I’m going to be able to hug my friends and family. It doesn’t have to happen today. Just soon.

Soon. We are opening up vaccines to people 16 and older in about a week and that is a huge group of people. The various vaccine companies are working on testing younger and younger individuals. I can't remember which one but one of them has the data for 12-15 or is close to it. There likely will be some permanent changes. We may see people wearing masks during flu season, or like in China, when they feel sick/are travelling in large groups (airplanes, public transportation, busses). we will likely see more people working from home at least part of the time since that saves companies money.

Essentially, this. Hopefully we'll also get monthly $2k stimulus payments as UBI.

[The Free Joy State]

Who knew what would make liberals turn full Trump on the coronavirus was literally just Broadway.

gotta love those well-worn principles

Kindly don't throw me in with Lumen.

I consider myself liberal. I love the theatre. I miss it. I look forward to its safe return -- emphasis on safe. I would not sacrifice a single life to see a thousand shows.

I don't care about what you want lmfao. Just like how you don't give a single flying fuck about what we want.

So life should just be looking at a screen and going to the grocery store? What a miserable boring world

You don't get to decide the value of people's lives, nor that they should be sacrificed so your life can be as interesting as you want it.

Other people have lives that mean something too. People matter to those around them. And the fact you haven't seen a show recently doesn't mean one goddamn thing to those people, but the fact that their loved ones are alive -- if they are lucky enough for them to have survived -- does.

Though it would be nice if it became part of the cultural zeitgeist if people wore them when they are feeling sick or during flu season.

Oh absolutely. Now that I have lived with the mask. It will be a permanent thing. If I am not feeling well, I will wear it.

People will ask and be told just a precaution as I am not feeling 100%.

I think I can make a wild assed assumption people will appreciate it.

I can definitely see myself wearing a mask when I have to go out, if I'm not feeling well (even when the mandatory masking law ends).

I agree it would be a good thing for us to adopt. Because of changed behaviour, no flu was detected in England between 28th December 2020 and 14th February 2021; rates were also well down in the US (where flu alone causes up to 810,000 hospitalisations and 61,000 deaths in an average year, despite vaccination being available).

I can see people appreciating the effort to keep others safe.