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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Something tells me the only way to get him to care about the unnecessary deaths he's wishing to happen is if they all happened to broadway actors and producers. Lord knows he doesn't even give a shit about the backstage crew.


why didnt we shut down the world in 1957 or 1968?


Because people like you who were cool with millions dying were in charge and boy what a mistake that was
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:01 pm

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Kowani wrote:we don't have the fucking flash on hand
making sure production is safe takes time and effort


Why would a company have unsafe production? Its not in their interest to do so. Speed up the approval process.


Oh FFS. Really?

Let’s see uhm the Ford Pinto, Tylenol, Toyota and their floor mats,Pfizer’s Bextra, GM’s ignition, Samsung and their fire starters, Firestone, Volkswagon Disel, and the Airbag recalls.

Sorry to burst your fantasy, the free market doesn’t solve the problem of a quick profit uber alles.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:02 pm

One big takeaway of this pandemic is that the whole idea that the mass of people are by default and usually to be assumed rational actors is complete bullshit.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
why didnt we shut down the world in 1957 or 1968?


Because people like you who were cool with millions dying were in charge and boy what a mistake that was


So LBJ And Eisenhower should have shut down the country? Why dont we have lockdown season every year for the flu?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 pm

Nakena wrote:One big takeaway of this pandemic is that the whole idea that humans are by default and usually to be assumed rational actors is complete bullshit.


So much this. It's insane how irrational so many people are.

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because people like you who were cool with millions dying were in charge and boy what a mistake that was


So LBJ And Eisenhower should have shut down the country? Why dont we have lockdown season every year for the flu?


I am down for that.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:04 pm

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Sometimes corners should be cut for the greater good. We can't drag our feet for weeks on this. This is not the same as what you suggested.


Is it in the interest of the greater good to cause greater harm by cutting corners?


As BP after the deep horizen incident say Just think of the pensioners you would be hurting!!!!!
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nakena wrote:One big takeaway of this pandemic is that the whole idea that humans are by default and usually to be assumed rational actors is complete bullshit.


So much this. It's insane how irrational so many people are.

San Lumen wrote:
So LBJ And Eisenhower should have shut down the country? Why dont we have lockdown season every year for the flu?


I am down for that.


Hell no. Im not living like this the rest of my life and neither do many I know. Its not living. Unless government officials want to find themselves losing reelection they need to set and end date and stick to it.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:04 pm

jesus christ this was a horrifying read
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Something tells me the only way to get him to care about the unnecessary deaths he's wishing to happen is if they all happened to broadway actors and producers. Lord knows he doesn't even give a shit about the backstage crew.


why didnt we shut down the world in 1957 or 1968?


Ask the policymakers back then, though I suspect this would be the answer you get:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
why didnt we shut down the world in 1957 or 1968?


Because people like you who were cool with millions dying were in charge and boy what a mistake that was


The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why would a company have unsafe production? Its not in their interest to do so. Speed up the approval process.


Oh FFS. Really?

Let’s see uhm the Ford Pinto, Tylenol, Toyota and their floor mats,Pfizer’s Bextra, GM’s ignition, Samsung and their fire starters, Firestone, Volkswagon Disel, and the Airbag recalls.

Sorry to burst your fantasy, the free market doesn’t solve the problem of a quick profit uber alles.


An alleged Democrat has to be told that corporations often fuck people over. What a world.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
So much this. It's insane how irrational so many people are.



I am down for that.


Hell no. Im not living like this anymore. Its not living. Unless government officials want to find themselves losing reelection they need to set and end date and stick to it.

I heard Brazil is looking for new blood after their losses in population.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
So much this. It's insane how irrational so many people are.



I am down for that.


Hell no. Im not living like this the rest of my life and neither do many I know. Its not living. Unless government officials want to find themselves losing reelection they need to set and end date and stick to it.


Truth be told Lumen your way of living is destroying the world and needs to die.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
So much this. It's insane how irrational so many people are.



I am down for that.


Hell no. Im not living like this the rest of my life and neither do many I know. Its not living. Unless government officials want to find themselves losing reelection they need to set and end date and stick to it.


Because massive body counts is less harmful to reelection than no live theater.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:06 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Hell no. Im not living like this anymore. Its not living. Unless government officials want to find themselves losing reelection they need to set and end date and stick to it.

I heard Brazil is looking for new blood after their losses in population.


and economies and whole industries are dying but that doesn't;t matter. Only healthcare workers. everyone else is expendable. Just set an end date and stick to it.

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Postby Kannap » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:we don't have the fucking flash on hand
making sure production is safe takes time and effort


Why would a company have unsafe production? Its not in their interest to do so. Speed up the approval process.


Why would somebody in a warehouse get run over by a forklift? It's not in their interest to do so.

Things happen in manufacturing - any type - that shouldn't happen regardless of what safeguards are in place. Sometimes safeguards fail, sometimes the safeguards aren't enough or need to be updated or expanded. Sometimes accidents happen despite all the safeguards working as they should.

The FDA should evaluate things carefully and thoroughly to ensure the safety of people.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I heard Brazil is looking for new blood after their losses in population.


and economies and whole industries are dying but that doesn't;t matter. Only healthcare workers. everyone else is expendable. Just set an end date and stick to it.

Don't you worry so much. With some (un)fortune Brazil will turn this into 1918 and you and I will both die.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:09 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and economies and whole industries are dying but that doesn't;t matter. Only healthcare workers. everyone else is expendable. Just set an end date and stick to it.

Don't you worry so much. With some (un)fortune Brazil will turn this into 1918 and you and I will both die.


Speaking of, did we talk about the Brazilian variant with 18 mutations that combined together? Damn who could have known that letting it run its course would make it way worse.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:10 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and economies and whole industries are dying but that doesn't;t matter. Only healthcare workers. everyone else is expendable. Just set an end date and stick to it.

Don't you worry so much. With some (un)fortune Brazil will turn this into 1918 and you and I will both die.


people lived their lives in 1957 and 1968 and the world didn't;t shut down.

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Postby Kannap » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Its less than 1% lethal, guise, why are we all freaking out? I wanna go to brunch!"


We didnt shut down the world for the 1957 or 1968 pandemic. it just ran its course.


Which, looking back on it, probably wasn't a good strategy.

Anyway, I know you don't care if more people die as long as you're not inconvenienced, so what are you suggesting?
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
So much this. It's insane how irrational so many people are.



I am down for that.


Hell no. Im not living like this the rest of my life and neither do many I know. Its not living.


Just admit you don't care how many people die as long as you get to have brunch on Broadway. Admit that you don't give a shit how much blood is on your hands, we'll respect you more for being honest about that.

Unless government officials want to find themselves losing reelection they need to set and end date and stick to it.


If you and your ilk obeyed the lockdown orders in the first place and didn't half-ass it, it would be over and done with already. But nooooooooo, you had to throw your temper tantrums, and now the pandemic is endemic. You want someone to blame? Look in the damn mirror.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I heard Brazil is looking for new blood after their losses in population.


and economies and whole industries are dying but that doesn't;t matter. Only healthcare workers. everyone else is expendable. Just set an end date and stick to it.


What industries have been destroyed by this pandemic?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I heard Brazil is looking for new blood after their losses in population.


and economies and whole industries are dying but that doesn't;t matter. Only healthcare workers. everyone else is expendable. Just set an end date and stick to it.


“Shop till you drop” wasn’t supposed to include death by covid.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm

Grenartia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Hell no. Im not living like this the rest of my life and neither do many I know. Its not living.


Just admit you don't care how many people die as long as you get to have brunch on Broadway.

Given that I proposed that Brazil may kill us all, including him and me... and he didn't care... well yeah.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and economies and whole industries are dying but that doesn't;t matter. Only healthcare workers. everyone else is expendable. Just set an end date and stick to it.


What industries have been destroyed by this pandemic?


restaurant, music, theatre, events, tourism to name a few.

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Postby Kannap » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Why would you approve a plant that is not making a guaranteed safe and effective product?


Why wouldnt a company producing a vaccine not be doing so?


Why did you ignore my post where I pointed out the article mentions 'significant violations' in the past via this plant in Baltimore that Trump threw a lot of money at and J&J is trying to use.

If 57 people die on a rollercoaster at an amusement park would you be pushing for the rollercoaster to immediately be allowed to continue operating the next day? Or would you understand why it needs to be closed so an investigation can take place?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What industries have been destroyed by this pandemic?


restaurant, music, theatre, events, tourism to name a few.


Idk man every local restaurant I like is still open and I still get food from them, we just do it in safe ways.
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