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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Picairn wrote:Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.


Some people really just want things to go back to normal, even if it costs a ton of lives.

With all the news about the variants continually popping up and seemingly getting worse I kind of have doubts that normality will ever return though. Expect the worst and hope for the best and all that.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines can be easily modified to combat any variants in the virus. You might have to get a few boosters here and there but normalcy is right around the corner and quicker than many believe
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:50 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Sincluda wrote:Even then, not everyone gets antibodies after contracting. It would run through again and again until we get lucky with antibodies.
(Also, this scenario is implying nobody had immunity before the fact. Get your vaccine. Stop global corona)


It would just keep killing forever. It definitely would make living to old age less likely.

Unlikely. Sure the stats would take a hit but it would eventually level out and become sorta like the flu. Most people won’t die from it but it won’t be fun to get sorta thing
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Postby Upper Yationd » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:51 am

Hopefully soon we will finally have everyone vaccinated and be able to bring the world back to normal. Everyone being stuck at home causes many problems for all nations.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:53 am

Upper Yationd wrote:Hopefully soon we will finally have everyone vaccinated and be able to bring the world back to normal. Everyone being stuck at home causes many problems for all nations.

Currently 20% of the US is fully vaccinated. And with vaccines being open to everyone 16 and over I expect to hit over 60% by june
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:58 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Picairn wrote:Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.


Some people really just want things to go back to normal, even if it costs a ton of lives.


What’s fascinating is covid like the ex-president has redefined relationships.

A few friends are no longer friends and relatives as they talked like that. Never got the impression they were that selfish. A couple people who I thought were kind of jerks are now friendly. They were concerned over the amount of death; etc.

With all the news about the variants continually popping up and seemingly getting worse I kind of have doubts that normality will ever return though. Expect the worst and hope for the best and all that.


The mRNA does allow for modifications to deal with things like that. I know a researcher who says they are going to return to looking at that for HIV/AIDS....
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Upper Yationd wrote:Hopefully soon we will finally have everyone vaccinated and be able to bring the world back to normal. Everyone being stuck at home causes many problems for all nations.

Currently 20% of the US is fully vaccinated. And with vaccines being open to everyone 16 and over I expect to hit over 60% by june


I am getting my first today.....
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:12 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Some people really just want things to go back to normal, even if it costs a ton of lives.


What’s fascinating is covid like the ex-president has redefined relationships.

A few friends are no longer friends and relatives as they talked like that. Never got the impression they were that selfish. A couple people who I thought were kind of jerks are now friendly. They were concerned over the amount of death; etc.

With all the news about the variants continually popping up and seemingly getting worse I kind of have doubts that normality will ever return though. Expect the worst and hope for the best and all that.


The mRNA does allow for modifications to deal with things like that. I know a researcher who says they are going to return to looking at that for HIV/AIDS....

Not going to, they are. There is a vaccine study in its first phase for HIV
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:42 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What’s fascinating is covid like the ex-president has redefined relationships.

A few friends are no longer friends and relatives as they talked like that. Never got the impression they were that selfish. A couple people who I thought were kind of jerks are now friendly. They were concerned over the amount of death; etc.



The mRNA does allow for modifications to deal with things like that. I know a researcher who says they are going to return to looking at that for HIV/AIDS....

Not going to, they are. There is a vaccine study in its first phase for HIV


Cool. Might be my guy’s group is going to start something then.

We shall see where it goes. Cynicism says the free market will step in as it’s better to have a permanent base of customers versus a cure.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:52 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not going to, they are. There is a vaccine study in its first phase for HIV


Cool. Might be my guy’s group is going to start something then.

We shall see where it goes. Cynicism says the free market will step in as it’s better to have a permanent base of customers versus a cure.

Pfizer is working on a cure for covid

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... -antiviral
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Postby Xmara » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:40 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Currently 20% of the US is fully vaccinated. And with vaccines being open to everyone 16 and over I expect to hit over 60% by june


I am getting my first today.....

Which one?
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Postby Xmara » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:47 pm

A number of COVID-19 related executive orders will expire on May 17 in WV

Looks like the mask mandate is one of those orders.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:19 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Some people really just want things to go back to normal, even if it costs a ton of lives.

With all the news about the variants continually popping up and seemingly getting worse I kind of have doubts that normality will ever return though. Expect the worst and hope for the best and all that.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines can be easily modified to combat any variants in the virus. You might have to get a few boosters here and there but normalcy is right around the corner and quicker than many believe


Better yet, I was under the impression that those vaccines are nearly as effective in combatting the variants, as the variants are genetically really quite similar.

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Postby The Other Detroit » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:02 pm

Getting my 1st dose tomorrow, little worried because some of my family got a little sick after receiving the vaccines, but I would assume that is just the body trying to respond to the vaccine and building up the immune system. Either way I think it'll go just fine, I wish everyone good health.

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Postby Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:22 pm

I'm glad everybody is getting the vaccine. While at first I really wanted to get the vaccine., I think I will wait. It is not that I don't trust it, the whole idea that the vaccine causes all these weird things is absolutely wrong. But for me, I rather distance myself from people and wear my mask than take the vaccine, since it is new and all. But if you want the vaccine then go ahead get it!

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:51 pm

Vorausen wrote:I'm glad everybody is getting the vaccine. While at first I really wanted to get the vaccine., I think I will wait. It is not that I don't trust it, the whole idea that the vaccine causes all these weird things is absolutely wrong. But for me, I rather distance myself from people and wear my mask than take the vaccine, since it is new and all. But if you want the vaccine then go ahead get it!

Those adverse reactions are the exception, not the rule. The drug companies and the government have to tell you about them, it's not like they happen all the time. I don't know what the frequency of bad side effects is but I suspect it's very, very low.

And I kind of like having a third eye, y'know? :p

But seriously, get the shot(s).
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Upper Yationd wrote:Hopefully soon we will finally have everyone vaccinated and be able to bring the world back to normal. Everyone being stuck at home causes many problems for all nations.

Currently 20% of the US is fully vaccinated. And with vaccines being open to everyone 16 and over I expect to hit over 60% by june


It would be closer to 75-80% if Trump encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated. It’s Trump supporters and male Republicans that are the most hesitant.
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but in broad strokes, yes
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:01 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Currently 20% of the US is fully vaccinated. And with vaccines being open to everyone 16 and over I expect to hit over 60% by june


It would be closer to 75-80% if Trump encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated. It’s Trump supporters and male Republicans that are the most hesitant.

He didn't want to cause a panic.
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North Washington Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Currently 20% of the US is fully vaccinated. And with vaccines being open to everyone 16 and over I expect to hit over 60% by june


It would be closer to 75-80% if Trump encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated. It’s Trump supporters and male Republicans that are the most hesitant.

He allegedly 'did', although it most likely didn't make much of a dent on many of his supporter's hesitancy.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:15 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
It would be closer to 75-80% if Trump encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated. It’s Trump supporters and male Republicans that are the most hesitant.

He didn't want to cause a panic.


“I’ve always wanted to play it down..” Yeah...which caused over 200k dead Americans.

Stellar Colonies wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
It would be closer to 75-80% if Trump encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated. It’s Trump supporters and male Republicans that are the most hesitant.

He allegedly 'did', although it most likely didn't make much of a dent on many of his supporter's hesitancy.


Eh, that is pretty weak encouragement from Donald Trump. I’m looking for him to appear in PSAs encouraging his supporters to get vaccinated. I would even ignore him taking credit for it. And have these PSAs run nonstop on Fox News.
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