Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Grenartia]

Proof to back up your claim?

I don't want to defend him/her, but the former is right. The latter is not. Proof

A 1% mortality rate “means it is 10-times more lethal than the seasonal flu,” Fauci said. “I think that’s something people can get their arms around and understand.”

I'd also like to point out that 99% survival rate still makes it an order of magnitude more lethal than the flu.

This fact is really being understated, and that annoys me, tbh.

[Picairn]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

[North Washington Republic]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Because they think they’re being intelligent by thinking and acting like they’re smarter than some of the best doctors in the world. COVID denial/“truther” is perhaps one the most deadly consequences of this modern day love affair of populism.

[-SARS-]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Maybe they thought Thanos was onto something?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Some people really just want things to go back to normal, even if it costs a ton of lives.

With all the news about the variants continually popping up and seemingly getting worse I kind of have doubts that normality will ever return though. Expect the worst and hope for the best and all that.

[Psycho Peoples]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Because not everyone agrees with you. I get that isn’t allowed here. So hail mods!

[-SARS-]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Some people really just want things to go back to normal, even if it costs a ton of lives.

With all the news about the variants continually popping up and seemingly getting worse I kind of have doubts that normality will ever return though. Expect the worst and hope for the best and all that.

People went back to normal after 1918, even though the flu was still around. They'll go back to normal one way or another because it is human nature.

[Grenartia]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Because not everyone agrees with you. I get that isn’t allowed here. So hail mods!

Have you tried simply not being wrong?

[Picairn]

Because not everyone agrees with you. I get that isn’t allowed here. So hail mods!

Have you ever tried dropping the lies?

[-SARS-]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Because not everyone agrees with you. I get that isn’t allowed here. So hail mods!

Mod forum's over that way if you've got an issue with the mods -> viewforum.php?f=16

[Psycho Peoples]

Why are we still living in fear of this fake virus?

If its a fake virus, then what killed Herman Cain?

Checkmate.

I’m not allowed to speak

[Psycho Peoples]

Because not everyone agrees with you. I get that isn’t allowed here. So hail mods!

Have you ever tried dropping the lies?

What lies?

[North Washington Republic]

If its a fake virus, then what killed Herman Cain?

Checkmate.

I’m not allowed to speak

You’re speaking right now, you’re just mad that people are calling your opinions stupid.

Welcome to the internet, bud.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Have you ever tried dropping the lies?

What lies?

Why are we still living in fear of this fake virus?

This one probably. It's a really fucking dumb hill to die on.

[Picairn]

What lies?

You know, the lies you just spread in the previous page.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Why are we still living in fear of this fake virus?

Why are there people like you? Or why should my vote be considered equal to people who think like you in democracy ? Those who cannot be liberal on any subject are liberalizing on this issue. We are in 2021, let's raise our level of awareness please Vaccine = Saves Lives

[Shazbotdom]

Have you ever tried dropping the lies?

What lies?

The whole "Exaggerated Numbers" thing is a lie. Hell, several states in the US have underreported the numbers, as per the DOJ during the Trump Administration. Florida got hit with that bombshell during the Trump Administration.


So, please, evidence that the numbers were "exaggerated".

[Nevertopia]

to the 30 people who have no interest in being vaccinated against a pandemic the world hasnt seen since the black plague, why?

[Kowani]

European Court of Human Rights rules that compulsory vaccinations would not contravene human rights law, may be necessary in democratic societies

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg ruled on Thursday that compulsory vaccinations would not contravene human rights law — and may be necessary in democratic societies.

The ruling came following the evaluation of a complaint brought to the court by Czech families regarding compulsory jabs for children.

"The measures could be regarded as being 'necessary in a democratic society,'" the court judgment read.

Although the ruling did not deal directly with COVID-19 vaccines, experts believe it could have implications for the vaccination drive against the virus, especially for those who have so far stated a refusal to accept the jab.

This judgment "reinforces the possibility of a compulsory vaccination under conditions of the current COVID-19 epidemic," Nicolas Hervieu, a legal expert specializing in the ECHR, told AFP news agency.

What was the court ruling about?
The decision said that the compulsory vaccines administered by Czech health authorities were in line with the "best interests" of children.

"The objective has to be that every child is protected against serious diseases, through vaccination or by virtue of herd immunity," it added. he court ruled that the Czech health policy was not in violation of Article 8 on the right to respect for private life in accordance with the European Convention on Human Rights.

By Czech law, children must be vaccinated against nine diseases including diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis B and measles.

The case was brought to the court by families who had been fined, or whose children had been refused access to a nursery for failing to comply with their legal vaccination duty.

[-SARS-]

to the 30 people who have no interest in being vaccinated against a pandemic the world hasnt seen since the black plague, why?

You slept through 1918, didn't you?

I can't blame you. It was a boring year. But still.

Also, smallpox. That was a big friggin deal.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

First Covid vaccine shot alone not protective: Chile study

A study in Chile, which has one of the furthest-advanced vaccination campaigns in South America -- mainly with China's Coronavac, has found that a first dose alone does not protect against coronavirus infection.

The study by the University of Chile found inoculation to be 56.5 percent effective in protecting recipients two weeks after the second dose, and 27.7 percent effective within the first two weeks.

But for a single dose, efficacy in the 28 days between the first and second dose was only three percent -- on par with the margin of error in such studies, it said.

Researchers looked at the combined effect of Coronavac, which accounts for about 93 percent of doses being administered, and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

It estimated Coronavac's efficacy in real-life conditions at 54 percent -- in line with trial results in Brazil.

The Pfizer jab has been estimated to be about 94 percent effective in an Israeli study.

Chile has so far given at least one shot to 7.07 million people, and both shots to 4.04 of 15.2 million inhabitants being targeted for vaccination.

Like the rest of Latin America, the country has seen a steep rise in new infections and has surpassed the daily rate of the first wave last year, with more than 8,000 new cases per day.

"Getting vaccinated very significantly decreases the possibility of infection, it does not eliminate it, but it decreases it a lot, therefore you have to get vaccinated," University of Chile rector Ennio Vivaldi told a virtual press conference.

But it was also clear that the first dose on its own "does not have any relevant effect after four weeks" which means the recipient was for all intents and purposes just as vulnerable to infection as a non-vaccinated person.

The study estimated that for people between 75 and 79 -- targeted in the initial vaccination campaign -- there would have been 80 percent more infections without the vaccine.

For those aged 70 to 74, the percentage dropped to 60 percent.

We finally have real-life confirmation with regards to the efficacy of Sinovac. The vaccine is 54% effective after two doses and practically useless after one dose. Pfizer, by contrast, has been shown to curb transmissions, deaths, and serious illness after just one dose. Sinovac is "effective", but it remains vastly inferior to Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and even Sputnik V. It kind of works, but it's a cheap knockoff of AstraZeneca and corrupt, Third World countries such as the Philippines and Malaysia have chosen to recklessly gamble with our lives instead of applying for free AstraZeneca shots via COVAX.

I'm divided over whether to accept Sinovac as a legitimate vaccine and accept having a Sinovac jab forced onto me, however begrudgingly. I've long excluded China and a number of other countries that have relied exclusively on Chinese or other rushed and unproven, non-Chinese vaccines from being among those that have commenced their vaccine rollouts.

Here's a map of all the countries that have commenced their vaccine rollouts (dark green, light green, and orange) according to Wikipedia

And here's my own, tOtAlLy sCiEnTiFiC map of national vaccination rollouts that specifically excludes Chinese and various other rushed vaccines:

AcCuRaTe as of Apr. 9, 2021

So my question now is this: Given the findings of the Chilean study confirming Sinovac's real-life efficacy of 54% after two doses, should I update my map to include China? Should Sinovac be recognized as a legitimate, if somewhat inferior, vaccine worthy of the FDA, NHS, EMA, and WHO's approval? Or should I wait until more countries, such as Indonesia, report in, before making my mind up? Should I wait for the broader scientific community to give its blessing first like it did with Sputnik V?

Needless to say, I'm feeling a little less like an unwilling guinea pig now, but not enough to completely dispel any hesitancy. In either case, like Sputnik V, Sinovac is sponsored by a genocidal, fascist, communist regime, so even if it were 90% effective, I would still treat it with the same begrudging acceptance as Sputnik V. Malaysia has also signed on to CanSinoBio, which remains unproven, so we're still fucked. Hong Kong may be a little less fucked now unless the mayor of Xianggang orders the Health Department to sign on to Sinopharm or CanSinoBio on Beijing's orders.

[New Visayan Islands]

Data for PH as of April 9th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update in Tagalog. Key data to consider:

• 39630 people were tested, with a 21.4% positivity rate. That's 8481 positive results for SARS-CoV-2 if you did the math and rounded off to the nearest whole person because 8480.82 is the exact amount.
• 12225 people were added to the "I have The Coof" tally.
• 946 people moved to the "I survived The Coof" tally, and 401 people croaked.

Also:

• KR: Shut these parties down!
• Hear that? That's the sound of every toilet in Manila being filled with bricks that were shat out.
• PH VP: Coof Control needs a good controller!
• PH FDA: Fuck it, we're giving the green-light on Sinovac for Seniors. (...fuck.)

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

The reason is that alot of people who think this way believe they won't be harmed, and that's what's important. They think this virus kills "old people" and are often willing to put their own grandparents in danger as well as immuno compromised people and people with preexisting conditions because they assume they're safe from covid. It's like modern day eugenics. The genocide approach, where you throw the doors open and end up piling up the corpses of society's vulnerable because "I wanted to go shopping."

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why do people still think that a 1% death rate is acceptable? If we let the virus run its course on the 7 billion world population unimpeded then 70 million people would die, which is equal to WW2.

Even then, not everyone gets antibodies after contracting. It would run through again and again until we get lucky with antibodies.
(Also, this scenario is implying nobody had immunity before the fact. Get your vaccine. Stop global corona)

It would just keep killing forever. It definitely would make living to old age less likely.

[San Lumen]

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2021/04/0 ... perts-say/

Herd immunity probably not necessary to end pandemic, experts say