Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Kowani]

buckle up, cha'ales
despair comes barreling down the tracks and there's no getting off the train

I hope we get to the point where this doesn’t become routine every fall/winter. But I have a bad feeling this isn’t the last time we’re gonna be seeing bodies stacked to the ceiling in the morgues.

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)

Covid isn’t going away any time soon. Quit being in denial and deal with it.

I’m not in denial. We are not going to be mandating masks permanently.

your entire schtick is denial and whine

[Xmara]

I hope we get to the point where this doesn’t become routine every fall/winter. But I have a bad feeling this isn’t the last time we’re gonna be seeing bodies stacked to the ceiling in the morgues.

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)

I’m just so sick of all the dying, and the anxiety that someone I care about could be next. I’m sick of waking up every morning only to see the numbers continue to go up. I’m sick of not having my life back and then feeling like crap for being so selfish when a lot of people are going through a lot worse.

And I’m sick of feeling helpless because there’s nothing I can do about it.

[San Lumen]

I hope we get to the point where this doesn’t become routine every fall/winter. But I have a bad feeling this isn’t the last time we’re gonna be seeing bodies stacked to the ceiling in the morgues.

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)

I’m not in denial. We are not going to be mandating masks permanently.

your entire schtick is denial and whine

You honestly think we will be mandated to wear masks forever? If that’s what you believe you are wrong.

[Neanderthaland]

I hope we get to the point where this doesn’t become routine every fall/winter. But I have a bad feeling this isn’t the last time we’re gonna be seeing bodies stacked to the ceiling in the morgues.

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)

I’m not in denial. We are not going to be mandating masks permanently.

your entire schtick is denial and whine

It's ironic because, he might be right. I think it's unlikely that permanent mask mandates are going to be a thing. It could happen, maybe it even should happen, I just doubt it will.

But like the boy who cried wolf - or, more accurately: like the boy who cried "abandon restrictions" - his credibility is shot. Even if he happens to be right, it's a coincidence. He would cry wolf regardless.

[Xmara]

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)


your entire schtick is denial and whine

You honestly think we will be mandated to wear masks forever? If that’s what you believe you are wrong.

You don’t get it do you? We could be in the midst of a nuclear war and you’d be talking about how we won’t have to stay in our fallout shelters forever.

[San Lumen]

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)


your entire schtick is denial and whine

It's ironic because, he might be right. I think it's unlikely that permanent mask mandates are going to be a thing. It could happen, maybe it even should happen, I just doubt it will.

But like the boy who cried wolf - or, more accurately: like the boy who cried "abandon restrictions" - his credibility is shot. Even if he happens to be right, it's a coincidence. He would cry wolf regardless.

It’s a certainty permanent mask mandates will not be a thing.

[Kowani]

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)

I’m just so sick of all the dying, and the anxiety that someone I care about could be next. I’m sick of waking up every morning only to see the numbers continue to go up. I’m sick of not having my life back and then feeling like crap for being so selfish when a lot of people are going through a lot worse.

And I’m sick of feeling helpless because there’s nothing I can do about it.

ei
it's not selfish to want some semblance of your normal life back
the fear, the paralysis, the helplessness-all of these things are part of the pandemic too-and you, being human, are not made to take that kind of mental pressure for a sustained period of time
it's alright to just want it all to be over, x

it won't be
we're gonna be dealing with this shit as long as anti-vaxx attitudes are part of partisan identity (which, for various reasons, will be very hard and possibly counterproductive to untangle)


your entire schtick is denial and whine

It's ironic because, he might be right. I think it's unlikely that permanent mask mandates are going to be a thing. It could happen, maybe it even should happen, I just doubt it will.

But like the boy who cried wolf - or, more accurately: like the boy who cried "abandon restrictions" - his credibility is shot. Even if he happens to be right, it's a coincidence. He would cry wolf regardless.

oh no he is right it's just not a good thing

[San Lumen]

I’m just so sick of all the dying, and the anxiety that someone I care about could be next. I’m sick of waking up every morning only to see the numbers continue to go up. I’m sick of not having my life back and then feeling like crap for being so selfish when a lot of people are going through a lot worse.

And I’m sick of feeling helpless because there’s nothing I can do about it.

ei
it's not selfish to want some semblance of your normal life back
the fear, the paralysis, the helplessness-all of these things are part of the pandemic too-and you, being human, are not made to take that kind of mental pressure for a sustained period of time
it's alright to just want it all to be over, x

It's ironic because, he might be right. I think it's unlikely that permanent mask mandates are going to be a thing. It could happen, maybe it even should happen, I just doubt it will.

But like the boy who cried wolf - or, more accurately: like the boy who cried "abandon restrictions" - his credibility is shot. Even if he happens to be right, it's a coincidence. He would cry wolf regardless.

oh no he is right it's just not a good thing

You think masks should be permanently mandated for all?

[Neanderthaland]

It's ironic because, he might be right. I think it's unlikely that permanent mask mandates are going to be a thing. It could happen, maybe it even should happen, I just doubt it will.

But like the boy who cried wolf - or, more accurately: like the boy who cried "abandon restrictions" - his credibility is shot. Even if he happens to be right, it's a coincidence. He would cry wolf regardless.

It’s a certainty permanent mask mandates will not be a thing.

You might be right. But if you are it's a coincidence. Because you will never, under any circumstances, admit that any amount of restrictions could ever be necessary.

If this was a plague that transformed people into giant cabalistic titans, you would still be logging into NSG from your makeshift dwelling in the sewers, to say, "no pandemic lasts forever. It'll be gone in 2 years. I heard Pfizer is developing a new drug that will cause the people turning into titans to simply explode violently instead! See: the end is just around the corner! Then we can finally go back to normal, and the bombed out theaters can re-open!"

[Grave_n_idle]

It's ironic because, he might be right. I think it's unlikely that permanent mask mandates are going to be a thing. It could happen, maybe it even should happen, I just doubt it will.

But like the boy who cried wolf - or, more accurately: like the boy who cried "abandon restrictions" - his credibility is shot. Even if he happens to be right, it's a coincidence. He would cry wolf regardless.

It’s a certainty permanent mask mandates will not be a thing.

That's not a certainty, at all.

You're probably right - because historically, pandemics have followed a pattern - but that's not what 'certainty' means.

It's weird that you try to present your comments as authoritative, when you've repeatedly failed to prove you actually have any information.

[Xmara]

I’m just so sick of all the dying, and the anxiety that someone I care about could be next. I’m sick of waking up every morning only to see the numbers continue to go up. I’m sick of not having my life back and then feeling like crap for being so selfish when a lot of people are going through a lot worse.

And I’m sick of feeling helpless because there’s nothing I can do about it.

ei
it's not selfish to want some semblance of your normal life back
the fear, the paralysis, the helplessness-all of these things are part of the pandemic too-and you, being human, are not made to take that kind of mental pressure for a sustained period of time
it's alright to just want it all to be over, x

Thanks. I just had my hopes up that we wouldn’t be dealing with this crap again. Things were really looking up in June and early July. There were days here that we had zero new cases. At one point we had less than a thousand active cases in my state.

[San Lumen]

It’s a certainty permanent mask mandates will not be a thing.

That's not a certainty, at all.

You're probably right - because historically, pandemics have followed a pattern - but that's not what 'certainty' means.

It's weird that you try to present your comments as authoritative, when you've repeatedly failed to prove you actually have any information.

You think there is a possibility mask mandates will become permanent? If you think that’s possible I have a bridge to sell you.

[Kannap]

We're currently seeing and living through the worst part of this pandemic (so far) since it began, with regards to hospitalizations, deaths, and cases. If Lumen can't understand what needs to be done now then he'll never understand.

[Kowani]

ei
it's not selfish to want some semblance of your normal life back
the fear, the paralysis, the helplessness-all of these things are part of the pandemic too-and you, being human, are not made to take that kind of mental pressure for a sustained period of time
it's alright to just want it all to be over, x

Thanks. I just had my hopes up that we wouldn’t be dealing with this crap again. Things were really looking up in June and early July. There were days here that we had zero new cases. At one point we had less than a thousand active cases in my state.

welcome to the death cult days
and buckle-up, we're gonna be dealing with these attitudes for a long longer
...i realize that is not very positive news but no one comes to me for that anyway

[Grave_n_idle]

ei
it's not selfish to want some semblance of your normal life back
the fear, the paralysis, the helplessness-all of these things are part of the pandemic too-and you, being human, are not made to take that kind of mental pressure for a sustained period of time
it's alright to just want it all to be over, x

Thanks. I just had my hopes up that we wouldn’t be dealing with this crap again. Things were really looking up in June and early July. There were days here that we had zero new cases. At one point we had less than a thousand active cases in my state.

The weirdest thing is - this was predicted.

A few years back, online gamers accidentally created an extremely useful tool for the study of pandemics when World of Warcraft's 'corrupted blood' escaped it's point of origin and went global.

Players made all the wrong moves - they smuggled the contagion in their pets, they got infected and ran to major urban centers to get treatment, they accidentally used 'essential characters' like vendors as a disease reservoir (because they were resistant to DYING of the effect but could carry it, and because they could respawn when they did die).

All of that was useful - papers were written on it - but totally predicted.

The really interesting thing about corrupted blood was that some people... decided to work with the disease. They would deliberately spread it. They would let their pets get infected and then 'store' their pets until everyone that could die, had died... and then they'd uncage their pets again. They'd log out infected characters in urban environments, wait until the disease passed... and then log back in and deliberately infect people.

World of Warcraft accidentally provided the evidence that the next time there was a real pandemic, SOME people would actually deliberately spread the disease

And they have..

[Grave_n_idle]

That's not a certainty, at all.

You're probably right - because historically, pandemics have followed a pattern - but that's not what 'certainty' means.

It's weird that you try to present your comments as authoritative, when you've repeatedly failed to prove you actually have any information.

You think there is a possibility mask mandates will become permanent? If you think that’s possible I have a bridge to sell you.

We've already covered this. I have literally decades of science background, and when I've asked you questions, asked you to support your claims, or explained to you why your information is bad, you've got absolutely nothing to bring to the table. No expertise. No arguments. No sources.

I don't care what you think, Lumen.

[The Alma Mater]

That's not a certainty, at all.

You're probably right - because historically, pandemics have followed a pattern - but that's not what 'certainty' means.

It's weird that you try to present your comments as authoritative, when you've repeatedly failed to prove you actually have any information.

You think there is a possibility mask mandates will become permanent? If you think that’s possible I have a bridge to sell you.

Why not sell them a nice facemask instead ?
I mean - everybody does it.

Heck, even the FLCCC, that band of "alternative doctors" that is pushing all the "get ivermectin instead of the vaccine" crap have a nice merch store.

[Great Algerstonia]

That's not a certainty, at all.

You're probably right - because historically, pandemics have followed a pattern - but that's not what 'certainty' means.

It's weird that you try to present your comments as authoritative, when you've repeatedly failed to prove you actually have any information.

You think there is a possibility mask mandates will become permanent? If you think that’s possible I have a bridge to sell you.

For how much?

[Kowani]

We finally have data on whether or not all those incentive programs did anything

the answer
nope
not a thing

Twenty-four states introduced vaccination incentive programs during the study period. The median (interquartile range) percent of the population that was fully vaccinated when incentives began was 43.8% (39.3%-47.2%). Among the 24 states, daily vaccination rates declined in the 14 days post-incentives (351/100,000 individuals) compared to 14 days pre-incentives (486/100,000 individuals). During comparable 14-day periods, vaccination rates also declined in 26 states without statewide incentive programs (351/100,000 individuals pre-incentive, 272/100,000 individuals post-incentive). Difference-in-differences analysis showed that incentive programs were associated with a non-significant relative decline in daily vaccination rates of 8.9 per 100,000 individuals (95% CI [-64.3,46.5]; p=0.75). Furthermore, there was no significant difference in vaccination trends between states with and without incentives in any of the 14 days before or after incentives were introduced

[Great Algerstonia]

We're currently seeing and living through the worst part of this pandemic (so far) since it began, with regards to hospitalizations, deaths, and cases. If Lumen can't understand what needs to be done now then he'll never understand.

Not quite, there is far less deaths than last winter, far less hospitalizations than last winter, and slightly less cases.

[San Lumen]

You think there is a possibility mask mandates will become permanent? If you think that’s possible I have a bridge to sell you.

For how much?

How much are you willing to pay?

[Great Algerstonia]

For how much?

How much are you willing to pay?

Five bucks.

[San Lumen]

How much are you willing to pay?

Five bucks.

No sorry you’ll have to pay much more than that.

[Kannap]

Five bucks.

No sorry you’ll have to pay much more than that.

nobody gives a shit about your fake bridge, we're dealing with bigger problems

[Post War America]

That's not a certainty, at all.

You're probably right - because historically, pandemics have followed a pattern - but that's not what 'certainty' means.

It's weird that you try to present your comments as authoritative, when you've repeatedly failed to prove you actually have any information.

You think there is a possibility mask mandates will become permanent? If you think that’s possible I have a bridge to sell you.

Mandates, probably not, mask wearing becoming a norm akin to hand washing, at least among communities that don't have a worryingly high percentage of selfish assholes in them, may be a lot more common. It is the norm within many societies in Asia for people to mask up during flu season without governments mandating it as a well known and pertinent example.