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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
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YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
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Total votes : 302

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
what is not self evident is permanent mask mandates. There is zero possibility of that happening.


the japanese consider it good manners to wear masks outside when one has a cold

self-evident shit is largely a matter of perception, of taste

And I bet you anything the Taliban is about to enforce a mask mandate on 50% of the population any moment now.

Mind you, they're also anti-vaxxers. So... kind of a mixed bag there.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:07 pm

Xmara wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
the japanese consider it good manners to wear masks outside when one has a cold

self-evident shit is largely a matter of perception, of taste

It’s not mandated that every single person in Japan wear a mask when leaving the house though, which is what I think Lumen was getting at.

Not that I’m defending him. I think we’ve already established that his opinions don’t carry much weight in this thread.

I mean, neither is it mandated by law that you wash your hands. I could see masks becoming a social norm in some areas.
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Postby Moscareinas » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:08 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Xmara wrote:It’s not mandated that every single person in Japan wear a mask when leaving the house though, which is what I think Lumen was getting at.

Not that I’m defending him. I think we’ve already established that his opinions don’t carry much weight in this thread.

I mean, neither is it mandated by law that you wash your hands. I could see masks becoming a social norm in some areas.


this is the taliban, are you a woman or a girl?
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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:08 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Xmara wrote:It’s not mandated that every single person in Japan wear a mask when leaving the house though, which is what I think Lumen was getting at.

Not that I’m defending him. I think we’ve already established that his opinions don’t carry much weight in this thread.

I mean, neither is it mandated by law that you wash your hands. I could see masks becoming a social norm in some areas.

I can’t see it happening in parts of the US. Not with how quickly masks became a political issue.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:09 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
the japanese consider it good manners to wear masks outside when one has a cold

self-evident shit is largely a matter of perception, of taste

And I bet you anything the Taliban is about to enforce a mask mandate on 50% of the population any moment now.

Mind you, they're also anti-vaxxers. So... kind of a mixed bag there.


If that’s supposed to be a joke it’s not even remotely funny. Forcing women to wear a burka is oppression.

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Xmara wrote:It’s not mandated that every single person in Japan wear a mask when leaving the house though, which is what I think Lumen was getting at.

Not that I’m defending him. I think we’ve already established that his opinions don’t carry much weight in this thread.

I mean, neither is it mandated by law that you wash your hands. I could see masks becoming a social norm in some areas.


As long as it’s not mandated for all I don’t care.
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Postby Moscareinas » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:10 pm

my point is that may be self-evident to you isn't to others, and vice versa
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Postby Picairn » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:10 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:I mean, neither is it mandated by law that you wash your hands. I could see masks becoming a social norm in some areas.

And it'll merely become another small inconvenience to protect our safety, in line with washing hands or cleaning surfaces with disinfectants.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:10 pm

Xmara wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:I mean, neither is it mandated by law that you wash your hands. I could see masks becoming a social norm in some areas.

I can’t see it happening in parts of the US. Not with how quickly masks became a political issue.

Which is why "some areas," or at least among certain social groups.
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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:15 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Xmara wrote:I can’t see it happening in parts of the US. Not with how quickly masks became a political issue.

Which is why "some areas," or at least among certain social groups.

I know. I was just mentioning that it probably won’t become a norm in parts of the US. Idk where you live but I know it probably won’t become a norm in WV.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:18 pm

Picairn wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:I mean, neither is it mandated by law that you wash your hands. I could see masks becoming a social norm in some areas.

And it'll merely become another small inconvenience to protect our safety, in line with washing hands or cleaning surfaces with disinfectants.

I don't like the feeling of masks on my face. Not saying I don't wear when I need to, but I would love there to be at some point when they can be ditched, not that I'm optimistic of that ever happening. Also, I never found hand washing inconvenient.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:18 pm

Xmara wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Which is why "some areas," or at least among certain social groups.

I know. I was just mentioning that it probably won’t become a norm in parts of the US. Idk where you live but I know it probably won’t become a norm in WV.


Perhaps not for Covid, but as mentioned before conservatives were all about wearing masks back when Aids was new. No doubt one day there will be another disease that will convince them it is needed.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:18 pm

Xmara wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Which is why "some areas," or at least among certain social groups.

I know. I was just mentioning that it probably won’t become a norm in parts of the US. Idk where you live but I know it probably won’t become a norm in WV.

Even if it became a social norm I think it would only be when one is sick.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:19 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Picairn wrote:And it'll merely become another small inconvenience to protect our safety, in line with washing hands or cleaning surfaces with disinfectants.

I don't like the feeling of masks on my face. Not saying I don't wear when I need to, but I would love there to be at some point when they can be ditched, not that I'm optimistic of that ever happening. Also, I never found hand washing inconvenient.

It will happen. They will not be permanently mandated for all anywhere.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:And I bet you anything the Taliban is about to enforce a mask mandate on 50% of the population any moment now.

Mind you, they're also anti-vaxxers. So... kind of a mixed bag there.


If that’s supposed to be a joke it’s not even remotely funny. Forcing women to wear a burka is oppression.

What's happening in Afghanistan is far worse then just forcing women to wear a burka. Just the tip of the iceberg really. But yes, awful. Nonetheless: masks for public health reasons could be a thing. It could even become a normal thing. Something you don't even think about.

Everyone used to wear hats outdoors, now almost no one does. Times change.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:20 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:21 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If that’s supposed to be a joke it’s not even remotely funny. Forcing women to wear a burka is oppression.

What's happening in Afghanistan is far worse then just forcing women to wear a burka. Just the tip of the iceberg really. But yes, awful. Nonetheless: masks for public health reasons could be a thing. It could even become a normal thing. Something you don't even think about.

Everyone used to wear hats outdoors, now almost no one does. Times change.


It’s not going to be permanently mandated. Did masks become permanent after Spanish flu?

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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:23 pm

My allergies are acting up again, which means I’m now back to anxiously looking around every time I cough because I’m worried people will think I’ve got covid.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:23 pm

Picairn wrote:US reaches 100,000 average daily Covid hospitalizations

We are on track to last winter.

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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:What's happening in Afghanistan is far worse then just forcing women to wear a burka. Just the tip of the iceberg really. But yes, awful. Nonetheless: masks for public health reasons could be a thing. It could even become a normal thing. Something you don't even think about.

Everyone used to wear hats outdoors, now almost no one does. Times change.


It’s not going to be permanently mandated. Did masks become permanent after Spanish flu?

Covid isn’t going away any time soon. Quit being in denial and deal with it.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:What's happening in Afghanistan is far worse then just forcing women to wear a burka. Just the tip of the iceberg really. But yes, awful. Nonetheless: masks for public health reasons could be a thing. It could even become a normal thing. Something you don't even think about.

Everyone used to wear hats outdoors, now almost no one does. Times change.


It’s not going to be permanently mandated. Did masks become permanent after Spanish flu?

It probably won't happen, but it could. This is not the Spanish flu.
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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
Picairn wrote:US reaches 100,000 average daily Covid hospitalizations

We are on track to last winter.

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I hope we get to the point where this doesn’t become routine every fall/winter. But I have a bad feeling this isn’t the last time we’re gonna be seeing bodies stacked to the ceiling in the morgues.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:26 pm

Xmara wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It’s not going to be permanently mandated. Did masks become permanent after Spanish flu?

Covid isn’t going away any time soon. Quit being in denial and deal with it.

I’m not in denial. We are not going to be mandating masks permanently.

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Postby Picairn » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:26 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't like the feeling of masks on my face. Not saying I don't wear when I need to, but I would love there to be at some point when they can be ditched, not that I'm optimistic of that ever happening. Also, I never found hand washing inconvenient.

Before the pandemic I used to ride around in my motorbike without masks to feel the gusts of wind blowing on my face. I wonder if I'll get to do it again.
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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:29 pm

Picairn wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't like the feeling of masks on my face. Not saying I don't wear when I need to, but I would love there to be at some point when they can be ditched, not that I'm optimistic of that ever happening. Also, I never found hand washing inconvenient.

Before the pandemic I used to ride around in my motorbike without masks to feel the gusts of wind blowing on my face. I wonder if I'll get to do it again.

Don’t get your hopes up. It always leads to disappointment. Learned that the hard way with this pandemic.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:29 pm

Picairn wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't like the feeling of masks on my face. Not saying I don't wear when I need to, but I would love there to be at some point when they can be ditched, not that I'm optimistic of that ever happening. Also, I never found hand washing inconvenient.

Before the pandemic I used to ride around in my motorbike without masks to feel the gusts of wind blowing on my face. I wonder if I'll get to do it again.

You will. Masks will not be permanently mandated for all henceforth.

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