Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Major-Tom]

and when does it end?

y'all ready for another year

I don't understand the road map to getting back to a new normal. If we lockdown for an extended time again, whenever we re-open, it'll come back. By next year or sooner, the shots in our arms will have lost a good deal of their efficacy.

I'm fine with accepting COVID as something that is here to stay so long as there is an option for folks to get something like a yearly or bi-annual round of COVID shots to make sure you don't feel like utter fuck if you do happen to catch it (much like the flu shot we take every year).

I don't think anyone fully knows, but it would definitely happen faster if you, and people like you, would stop doing everything in their power to make sure it never ends.

No pandemic is forever.

The seasonal flu wasn't always a thing. Now it is a fact of life, and something that varies year to year.

Some last for a really long time, the question is how we move forward in a way that is mindful of both human needs and human lives.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I don't think anyone fully knows, but it would definitely happen faster if you, and people like you, would stop doing everything in their power to make sure it never ends.

No pandemic is forever.

How about 15 million years?

Edit: Replaced incorrect link.

[San Lumen]

No pandemic is forever.

How about 15 million years?

Where the heck are you getting 15 million years from?

[Neanderthaland]

This isn't small pox. Covid works in a different way. You can't eradicate it.....well that day might happen when we figure out how to eliminate the cold but that's another discussion.

We live with it when it's no longer a pandemic. We live with it when it's reduced to a bad flu. Masks and vaccine proofs will help in that effort. Unfortunately there are way too many selfish people for that to happen. If they are the norm? Well it will be oh 70 years before it's eradiated (if possible) like polio......

That will likely happen regardless. its biologically impossible for it to last forever.

No it isn't. Or at least, it's not impossible for it to last as long as humans do. Every virus that exists in the world today has managed to mutate it's way past immunity to keep itself going in perpetuity. If it was "biologically impossible" to do that, there wouldn't be viruses.

If it's given enough time, and enough hosts, then it can eventually work it's way to a variant that's resistant to our current vaccines. Then we'll have to start this merry-go-round all over again.

[San Lumen]

That will likely happen regardless. its biologically impossible for it to last forever.

No it isn't. Or at least, it's not impossible for it to last as long as humans do. Every virus that exists in the world today has managed to mutate it's way past immunity to keep itself going in perpetuity. If it was "biologically impossible" to do that, there wouldn't be viruses.

If it's given enough time, and enough hosts, then it can eventually work it's way to a variant that's resistant to our current vaccines. Then we'll have to start this merry-go-round all over again.

Even if that were true we are not going to have masks lockdowns and canceled events the rest of our lives. The effects are not worth it.

[The Reformed American Republic]

How about 15 million years?

Where the heck are you getting 15 million years from?

There was a viral pandemic in Earth's history that lasted for that long. It refutes your claim that it is impossible for their to be extremely long pandemics.

[San Lumen]

Where the heck are you getting 15 million years from?

There was a viral pandemic in Earth's history that lasted for that long. It refutes your claim that it is impossible for their to be extremely long pandemics.

and what pandemic was that?

[Neanderthaland]

I don't think anyone fully knows, but it would definitely happen faster if you, and people like you, would stop doing everything in their power to make sure it never ends.

No pandemic is forever.

You keep saying shit like this, but what's your point? If it was merely 80 years, that wouldn't be "forever" but it would still be way to fucking long. Especially if it's something we could have nipped in the bud early on, if only people like you hadn't made it impossible.

[Neanderthaland]

There was a viral pandemic in Earth's history that lasted for that long. It refutes your claim that it is impossible for their to be extremely long pandemics.

and what pandemic was that?

Smallpox. Duh.

[San Lumen]

No pandemic is forever.

You keep saying shit like this, but what's your point? If it was merely 80 years, that wouldn't be "forever" but it would still be way to fucking long. Especially if it's something we could have nipped in the bud early on, if only people like you hadn't made it impossible.

It won't be 80 years. If history is a guide the average is two years. The only pandemics that lasted longer were cholera and bubonic plague neither of which is airborne.

[Major-Tom]

You keep saying shit like this, but what's your point? If it was merely 80 years, that wouldn't be "forever" but it would still be way to fucking long. Especially if it's something we could have nipped in the bud early on, if only people like you hadn't made it impossible.

It won't be 80 years. If history is a guide the average is two years. The only pandemics that lasted longer were cholera and bubonic plague neither of which is airborne.

We're almost two years in, and it's not going anywhere. Plenty of viruses stick around for a long time so long as they have people to infect.

[The Reformed American Republic]

There was a viral pandemic in Earth's history that lasted for that long. It refutes your claim that it is impossible for their to be extremely long pandemics.

and what pandemic was that?

It was some sort of retrovirus 33 million years ago. Video is linked in the source I believe and it's a PBS video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M3L_Kykl6w

Many modern mammals have parts of its DNA in their cells even to this day.

[San Lumen]

It won't be 80 years. If history is a guide the average is two years. The only pandemics that lasted longer were cholera and bubonic plague neither of which is airborne.

We're almost two years in, and it's not going anywhere. Plenty of viruses stick around for a long time so long as they have people to infect.

I can say with certainty it will not be a factor in our lives the rest of our days.

[Picairn]

Smallpox. Duh.

Not smallpox, an ancient virus related to the modern murine leukemia virus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERV-Fc

[Neanderthaland]

You keep saying shit like this, but what's your point? If it was merely 80 years, that wouldn't be "forever" but it would still be way to fucking long. Especially if it's something we could have nipped in the bud early on, if only people like you hadn't made it impossible.

It won't be 80 years.

You don't know that. You don't know anything.

If history is a guide the average is two years.

No it isn't. I've dealt with this exact point before. This only true of flu pandemics, and literally nothing else.

The only pandemics that lasted longer were cholera and bubonic plague neither of which is airborne.

And smallpox, which is airborne, and TB, which is airborne, and -oh yeah- bubonic plague is also sometimes airborne. It's called "pneumonic plague," when it does that, but it's the same bacteria.

Plus others, like malaria, typhoid, polio, yellow fever, measles, syphilis, and so on.

Stop lying.

[Neanderthaland]

Smallpox. Duh.

Not smallpox, an ancient virus related to the modern murine leukemia virus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERV-Fc

I just gave cursory glance at the article, my apologies.

Smallpox and malaria are both diseases that have plagued humanity since at least the beginning of recorded history, however.

[Grave_n_idle]

We're almost two years in, and it's not going anywhere. Plenty of viruses stick around for a long time so long as they have people to infect.

I can say with certainty it will not be a factor in our lives the rest of our days.

The problem has never been your certainty.

[Neanderthaland]

We're almost two years in, and it's not going anywhere. Plenty of viruses stick around for a long time so long as they have people to infect.

I can say with certainty it will not be a factor in our lives the rest of our days.

You can say it will all the certainty you like, but you don't have evidence for anything you say, and frequently lie. So I'm not going to take your word for it.

The truth is: we don't know how this will play out. And won't know until it does. It might go away, or slip into obscurity. Or it might have to be some new thing we just have to learn to live with. Like HIV.

[Picairn]

I just gave cursory glance at the article, my apologies.

I think The Reformed American Republic got the wrong link, because ERV-Fc isn't smallpox.

Smallpox and malaria are both diseases that have plagued humanity since at least the beginning of recorded history, however.

No doubt.

[San Lumen]

I can say with certainty it will not be a factor in our lives the rest of our days.

You can say it will all the certainty you like, but you don't have evidence for anything you say, and frequently lie. So I'm not going to take your word for it.

The truth is: we don't know how this will play out. And won't know until it does. It might go away, or slip into obscurity. Or it might have to be some new thing we just have to learn to live with. Like HIV.

I never said it would go away but it will be something we learn to live with and that means no masks ,no canceled events and no vaccination passports.

[Kowani]

You can say it will all the certainty you like, but you don't have evidence for anything you say, and frequently lie. So I'm not going to take your word for it.

The truth is: we don't know how this will play out. And won't know until it does. It might go away, or slip into obscurity. Or it might have to be some new thing we just have to learn to live with. Like HIV.

I never said it would go away but it will be something we learn to live with and that means no masks ,no canceled events and no vaccination passports.

why on earth does it mean that
we've learned to live with all kinds of diseases but i presume you still wash your hands

[San Lumen]

I never said it would go away but it will be something we learn to live with and that means no masks ,no canceled events and no vaccination passports.

why on earth does it mean that
we've learned to live with all kinds of diseases but i presume you still wash your hands

Yes of course i do. We are not going regulate certain events to the history books nor have vaccination passports to participate in society and we are not going have mandatory masks henceforth.

[Neanderthaland]

You can say it will all the certainty you like, but you don't have evidence for anything you say, and frequently lie. So I'm not going to take your word for it.

The truth is: we don't know how this will play out. And won't know until it does. It might go away, or slip into obscurity. Or it might have to be some new thing we just have to learn to live with. Like HIV.

I never said it would go away but it will be something we learn to live with and that means no masks ,no canceled events and no vaccination passports.

Or it could mean all of those things for as long as covid exists. And you'll just have to deal with it.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I think The Reformed American Republic got the wrong link, because ERV-Fc isn't smallpox.

You're right, my apologies. That link was my failed attempt to get conservatives to vaxx up on another site. I will fix the link momentarily.

[San Lumen]

I never said it would go away but it will be something we learn to live with and that means no masks ,no canceled events and no vaccination passports.

Or it could mean all of those things for as long as covid exists. And you'll just have to deal with it.

I very much doubt that. Few would accept that.