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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Grave_n_idle
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:27 pm

Turk Cumhuriyeti wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Which is fine and dandy, but does not give you a free pass to be health risk to others.


In any case I will not pose a risk fo you as I live in Ankara and you probably live somewhers else.


You do understand that this virus started in one place, and is now global?

You might end-up okay, Turkey's immunized population doubled in the last month, and if the same trend continues, Turkey might manage herd immunity before the end of the year. Everyone around you might save you.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:28 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Turk Cumhuriyeti wrote:
In any case I will not pose a risk fo you as I live in Ankara and you probably live somewhers else.


You do understand that this virus started in one place, and is now global?

You might end-up okay, Turkey's immunized population doubled in the last month, and if the same trend continues, Turkey might manage herd immunity before the end of the year. Everyone around you might save you.


some experts are saying herd immunity is no longer possible.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Well I guess its time to get ready for another year of destitution. God I love antivaxxers.


At some point as a world we are going to have the accept this is endemic and just give up. I wish that day would be tomorrow and tell people if you won't get vaccinated thats on you and our leaders completely ignore the WHO and CDC. if we ended for profit hospitals many wouldn't be overwhelmed


:blink: Back to being a trumpist again?

I understand your desperation to shop, go to a restaurant, the theater and of course the museums. Why should we give up? "That's on you?" rather republican viewpoint.

For profit hospitals? It's your mindset of Economy Über alles and just let heard immunity happen is why the hospitals are overwhelmed.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Great Algerstonia
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:34 pm

If desiring a return to normalcy and an end to false hopes of this pandemic ending means that I'm a Trumpist and hold rather Republican viewpoints, I'll gladly be a Trumpist and have rather Republican viewpoints.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Well I guess its time to get ready for another year of destitution. God I love antivaxxers.


At some point as a world we are going to have the accept this is endemic and just give up. I wish that day would be tomorrow and tell people if you won't get vaccinated thats on you and our leaders completely ignore the WHO and CDC. if we ended for profit hospitals many wouldn't be overwhelmed


You fundamentally do not understand why hospitals are being overwhelmed, it has nothing to do with them being for profit. They literally just have no space. Even cancer patients are being turned away and left to die because they have no room for them, and make no mistake this in on you and people like you.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
At some point as a world we are going to have the accept this is endemic and just give up. I wish that day would be tomorrow and tell people if you won't get vaccinated thats on you and our leaders completely ignore the WHO and CDC. if we ended for profit hospitals many wouldn't be overwhelmed


:blink: Back to being a trumpist again?

I understand your desperation to shop, go to a restaurant, the theater and of course the museums. Why should we give up? "That's on you?" rather republican viewpoint.

For profit hospitals? It's your mindset of Economy Über alles and just let heard immunity happen is why the hospitals are overwhelmed.


What do we do then? Live with masks, capacity limits or potential lockdowns henceforth? That's not living.

It is a problem that needs to be addressed. I work for a museum and we will close our doors if there is another lockdown but I know some don't care about that.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
At some point as a world we are going to have the accept this is endemic and just give up. I wish that day would be tomorrow and tell people if you won't get vaccinated thats on you and our leaders completely ignore the WHO and CDC. if we ended for profit hospitals many wouldn't be overwhelmed


You fundamentally do not understand why hospitals are being overwhelmed, it has nothing to do with them being for profit. They literally just have no space. Even cancer patients are being turned away and left to die because they have no room for them, and make no mistake this in on you and people like you.


Im going to say something that might be unpopular but I feel it needs to be said how about hospitals start telling people they will treat the cancer patient over the covid patient?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:39 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:If desiring a return to normalcy and an end to false hopes of this pandemic ending means that I'm a Trumpist and hold rather Republican viewpoints, I'll gladly be a Trumpist and have rather Republican viewpoints.


*shrugs* There still plenty of sand to bury your head. Worst case, you can always dig a hole if they are not near a beach.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:39 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:If desiring a return to normalcy and an end to false hopes of this pandemic ending means that I'm a Trumpist and hold rather Republican viewpoints, I'll gladly be a Trumpist and have rather Republican viewpoints.


*shrugs* There still plenty of sand to bury your head. Worst case, you can always dig a hole if they are not near a beach.


we do we do then have masks, travel restrictions and the threat of lockdowns henceforth and we stop living for the sake of not getting sick?
Last edited by San Lumen on Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
*shrugs* There still plenty of sand to bury your head. Worst case, you can always dig a hole if they are not near a beach.


we do we do then have masks, travel restrictions and the the threat of lockdowns henceforth and we stop living for the sake of not getting sick?

Calm down this post is becoming a tad incoherent.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:43 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
we do we do then have masks, travel restrictions and the the threat of lockdowns henceforth and we stop living for the sake of not getting sick?

Calm down this post is becoming a tad incoherent.


I think I was perfectly clear.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You fundamentally do not understand why hospitals are being overwhelmed, it has nothing to do with them being for profit. They literally just have no space. Even cancer patients are being turned away and left to die because they have no room for them, and make no mistake this in on you and people like you.


Im going to say something that might be unpopular but I feel it needs to be said how about hospitals start telling people they will treat the cancer patient over the covid patient?


I mean yeah I guess that's one way to collapse the economy you care so much about.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
*shrugs* There still plenty of sand to bury your head. Worst case, you can always dig a hole if they are not near a beach.


we do we do then have masks, travel restrictions and the the threat of lockdowns henceforth and we stop living for the sake of not getting sick?


You have the ability to drink any kind of available poison. Doesn't mean you have to just because you are thirsty.

As you been told a gazillion times. The drama of OMFG I can't live because of masks, social distancing and restrictions during a pandemic is rather boring now.

It's a pandemic. It will end.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Im going to say something that might be unpopular but I feel it needs to be said how about hospitals start telling people they will treat the cancer patient over the covid patient?


I mean yeah I guess that's one way to collapse the economy you care so much about.


Tell me how that would collapse the economy.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
we do we do then have masks, travel restrictions and the the threat of lockdowns henceforth and we stop living for the sake of not getting sick?


You have the ability to drink any kind of available poison. Doesn't mean you have to just because you are thirsty.

As you been told a gazillion times. The drama of OMFG I can't live because of masks, social distancing and restrictions during a pandemic is rather boring now.

It's a pandemic. It will end.


It doesn't feel like it sometimes with the news of new variants and rising cases and reimposing of mask mandates and threat of new lockdowns. If vaccines aren't the endgame then our leaders should just come out and say it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean yeah I guess that's one way to collapse the economy you care so much about.


Tell me how that would collapse the economy.


Because if a million or more people die that tends to have massive economic and social ramifications. Your gross disregard for human lives in favor of the interests of capital is as disgusting as always.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You fundamentally do not understand why hospitals are being overwhelmed, it has nothing to do with them being for profit. They literally just have no space. Even cancer patients are being turned away and left to die because they have no room for them, and make no mistake this in on you and people like you.


Im going to say something that might be unpopular but I feel it needs to be said how about hospitals start telling people they will treat the cancer patient over the covid patient?


Bring back the death panels
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You have the ability to drink any kind of available poison. Doesn't mean you have to just because you are thirsty.

As you been told a gazillion times. The drama of OMFG I can't live because of masks, social distancing and restrictions during a pandemic is rather boring now.

It's a pandemic. It will end.


It doesn't feel like it sometimes with the news of new variants and rising cases and reimposing of mask mandates and threat of new lockdowns. If vaccines aren't the endgame then our leaders should just come out and say it.


Turn off the TV. Talking heads are going to talk. News is not happy unless the news is bad.

Yes there are new variants; that's what they do. Does not mean every one of them is going to pop up here. We are still shoveling the maga shitpile since this began. Even now the vaccines are evil groups are starting to wake when more and more of them are dead. Hell just read one story where women was in the hospital for covid. She came home to find her dead husband. She claims they simply just waited and at this point does the reason mater? She is now trying to social media her story and get people to get the lousy vaccine.

No one said this one was going to end in a year. 2020 was basically a throw away for handling covid. We know a great deal more and the maga madness of 45 is out. They can still preach it. The problem will be as more and more of the party faithful catch it and die is where maga will meet its deserved end.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
*shrugs* There still plenty of sand to bury your head. Worst case, you can always dig a hole if they are not near a beach.


we do we do then have masks, travel restrictions and the threat of lockdowns henceforth and we stop living for the sake of not getting sick?


I can only imagine you'd have been a lot of fun during the Black Death
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:55 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Im going to say something that might be unpopular but I feel it needs to be said how about hospitals start telling people they will treat the cancer patient over the covid patient?


Bring back the death panels


Wait I am confused. For profit hospitals are the problem. Death panels were bad as that would happen if we socialized medicine. What do we do now?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You have the ability to drink any kind of available poison. Doesn't mean you have to just because you are thirsty.

As you been told a gazillion times. The drama of OMFG I can't live because of masks, social distancing and restrictions during a pandemic is rather boring now.

It's a pandemic. It will end.


It doesn't feel like it sometimes with the news of new variants and rising cases and reimposing of mask mandates and threat of new lockdowns. If vaccines aren't the endgame then our leaders should just come out and say it.


Vaccines never were the endgame. The endgame was always to see the end of this pandemic. If you don't understand that that's been the endgame this entire time, then that's your problem.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:55 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It doesn't feel like it sometimes with the news of new variants and rising cases and reimposing of mask mandates and threat of new lockdowns. If vaccines aren't the endgame then our leaders should just come out and say it.


Turn off the TV. Talking heads are going to talk. News is not happy unless the news is bad.

Yes there are new variants; that's what they do. Does not mean every one of them is going to pop up here. We are still shoveling the maga shitpile since this began. Even now the vaccines are evil groups are starting to wake when more and more of them are dead. Hell just read one story where women was in the hospital for covid. She came home to find her dead husband. She claims they simply just waited and at this point does the reason mater? She is now trying to social media her story and get people to get the lousy vaccine.

No one said this one was going to end in a year. 2020 was basically a throw away for handling covid. We know a great deal more and the maga madness of 45 is out. They can still preach it. The problem will be as more and more of the party faithful catch it and die is where maga will meet its deserved end.


I hope one day soon we can go back to a day when it doesn't dominate everything and I don;'t have to hear about it on the news and I can truly enjoy the big city again.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:56 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It doesn't feel like it sometimes with the news of new variants and rising cases and reimposing of mask mandates and threat of new lockdowns. If vaccines aren't the endgame then our leaders should just come out and say it.


Vaccines never were the endgame. The endgame was always to see the end of this pandemic. If you don't understand that that's been the endgame this entire time, then that's your problem.


and when does it end?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:I hope one day soon we can go back to a day when it doesn't dominate everything and I don;'t have to hear about it on the news and I can truly enjoy the big city again.

I can truly enjoy the big city again.

is this it?

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Postby Hispida » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Vaccines never were the endgame. The endgame was always to see the end of this pandemic. If you don't understand that that's been the endgame this entire time, then that's your problem.


and when does it end?

y'all ready for another year
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