Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Grave_n_idle]

Part of the same question - the electoral college didn't stop literally the least qualified person who ever ran for the office from getting it. Whether or not direct rule would 'keep us safer in the long run' is already a moot point, and right now, it's stopping us responding to a pandemic.

And, as I've pointed out before, this is not a bad pandemic. This is a practice run. Epidemiologists have been predicting a 1 in 100 pandemic for a couple of decades, and this isn't it. And look how badly we're handling this.

We need to start thinking about how to fix this system before the big one. Unless you think the Fallout games are so much fun you want to LIVE there.

Just vaccinate people. The CDC is already a national agency, and they could hire people to go door to door and vaccinate people. You don't need to drag in all your other baggage. Just literally vaccinate people.

I'm all in favour of vaccinating everyone that can be vaccinated. That would be a good start.

But we're going to run into the same problem next time something like this happens, too - unless we learn the lessons of this pandemic.

[Turk Cumhuriyeti]

And what will happen if all get vaccinated and still get sick? Some of my colleagues are vaccinated and sick. Im also sick and I cant tell im in worse condition than them, im caughing and my nose is running for i.dont know how many weeks and i dont complain and dont engage the world with my problems. If I "dont live longer" and something happens with me - I dont think someone outside of my relatives will care. The only thing that can happen is to leave my son without a father but this can happen if something falls on my head from a window.

[Diahon]

And what will happen if all get vaccinated and still get sick? Some of my colleagues are vaccinated and sick. Im also sick and I cant tell im in worse condition than them, im caughing and my nose is running for i.dont know how many weeks and i dont complain and dont engage the world with my problems. If I "dont live longer" and something happens with me - I dont think someone outside of my relatives will care. The only thing that can happen is to leave my son without a father but this can happen if something falls on my head from a window.

A vaccine will drastically reduce the chance of you needing serious medical attention or dying from the disease you're vaccinating yourself from, even if you do get it -- with the COVID vaccines, it's not as vanishingly small as people would've liked, but given the havoc that virus plays on your organ systems if you're unvaccinated, it's imperative for you to get one.

At the very least, as a father, you have a responsibility not only to be there for your son -- an experience I have come to value all too well for the past two years, as I am a son -- but to not maim or kill your son. Please, for the love of all that is good, please protect yourself, please protect your son, please protect your loved ones. There has been more than enough death, way, way too much death.

[Diahon]

thanks for the facile wit, random journalist, i hate it already

[Turk Cumhuriyeti]

And what will happen if all get vaccinated and still get sick? Some of my colleagues are vaccinated and sick. Im also sick and I cant tell im in worse condition than them, im caughing and my nose is running for i.dont know how many weeks and i dont complain and dont engage the world with my problems. If I "dont live longer" and something happens with me - I dont think someone outside of my relatives will care. The only thing that can happen is to leave my son without a father but this can happen if something falls on my head from a window.

A vaccine will drastically reduce the chance of you needing serious medical attention or dying from the disease you're vaccinating yourself from, even if you do get it -- with the COVID vaccines, it's not as vanishingly small as people would've liked, but given the havoc that virus plays on your organ systems if you're unvaccinated, it's imperative for you to get one.

At the very least, as a father, you have a responsibility not only to be there for your son -- an experience I have come to value all too well for the past two years, as I am a son -- but to not maim or kill your son. Please, for the love of all that is good, please protect yourself, please protect your son, please protect your loved ones. There has been more than enough death, way, way too much death.

The natural immunity has to be better than the artifocial one - so I dont see a point that those who were sick should get vaccinated. The argument that if i get vaccinated I cqn protect my son doesnt seem relevant either, even vaccinated I can transmit it to him and hos condotion may get serious as nobody vaccinates 9 year old children.

[Necroghastia]

A vaccine will drastically reduce the chance of you needing serious medical attention or dying from the disease you're vaccinating yourself from, even if you do get it -- with the COVID vaccines, it's not as vanishingly small as people would've liked, but given the havoc that virus plays on your organ systems if you're unvaccinated, it's imperative for you to get one.

At the very least, as a father, you have a responsibility not only to be there for your son -- an experience I have come to value all too well for the past two years, as I am a son -- but to not maim or kill your son. Please, for the love of all that is good, please protect yourself, please protect your son, please protect your loved ones. There has been more than enough death, way, way too much death.

The natural immunity has to be better than the artifocial one - so I dont see a point that those who were sick should get vaccinated. The argument that if i get vaccinated I cqn protect my son doesnt seem relevant either, even vaccinated I can transmit it to him and hos condotion may get serious as nobody vaccinates 9 year old children.

there is no "artificial" immunity, what the hell are you talking about
vaccines are target practice for your immune system

and do you realize how much lesser the chances are of you transferring this deadly fucking disease is if you take the vaccine and give your body the opportunity to train itself against it

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Im also sick and I cant tell im in worse condition than them, im caughing and my nose is running for i.dont know how many weeks and i dont complain and dont engage the world with my problems.

Could be worse, you could be intubated like countless others who have refused to vaccinate and are preventing people with GSW's and heart attacks from being treated. And then those people die ignominiously because if you end up in the ICU with COVID19 your chances of living are only decreasing.

[Turk Cumhuriyeti]

My body already trained against it. And stop with these hysterias of "deadly fucking disseases" I have been in more dangerous medical contions, too. Moreovee we will all die, everybody when his time comes.

[Vassenor]

My body already trained against it. And stop with these hysterias of "deadly fucking disseases" I have been in more dangerous medical contions, too. Moreovee we will all die, everybody when his time comes.

So because it wasn't bad for you means it will never be bad for anyone?

[Diahon]

Your immune system can protect you, to a point, even against novel pathogens, but the thing with novel pathogens is that they're new and thus not something your immune system has encountered before. Your immune system might cope and give you a chance to survive, but the likelihood of you dying is far higher with the pathogen and its panoply of debilitations ravaging you unhindered, and in any case, even a survivor's immunity may not last long.

What vaccines do is to give your immune system that information it needs to have about the pathogen it either hasn't encountered yet or else has had the chance to forget over time; think of it as a study session before a particularly bruising exam.

(For the very real incidence of vaccinated people unknowingly spreading this pandemic, especially to the vulnerable, I admit to no great knowledge, so I'm glossing that over.)

[Esalia]

My body already trained against it. And stop with these hysterias of "deadly fucking disseases" I have been in more dangerous medical contions, too. Moreovee we will all die, everybody when his time comes.

"I'll die eventually" has to be one of the laziest excuses for not protecting yourself.

[Picairn]

The natural immunity has to be better than the artifocial one - so I dont see a point that those who were sick should get vaccinated.

Correct, natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, but we don't host infection parties the same way we don't torture people to build up their pain endurance. Vaccination is a far safer option, it doesn't affect you severely to create immunity.

[The Alma Mater]

My body already trained against it. And stop with these hysterias of "deadly fucking disseases" I have been in more dangerous medical contions, too. Moreovee we will all die, everybody when his time comes.

"I'll die eventually" has to be one of the laziest excuses for not protecting yourself.

Well no - it is a fair reason.
it is a horrible reason for endangering others though. Be that by not taking precautions against becoming a spreader of disease or not caring if one will take up a hospital bed someone else who does care about their survival might need.

[Diahon]

The natural immunity has to be better than the artifocial one - so I dont see a point that those who were sick should get vaccinated.

Correct, natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, but we don't host infection parties the same way we don't torture people to build up their pain endurance. Vaccination is a far safer option, it doesn't affect you severely to create immunity.

... shit, that's real recent

[Thermodolia]

The natural immunity has to be better than the artifocial one - so I dont see a point that those who were sick should get vaccinated.

Correct, natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, but we don't host infection parties the same way we don't torture people to build up their pain endurance. Vaccination is a far safer option, it doesn't affect you severely to create immunity.

Thats great news

[Thermodolia]

Sure. It was a good experiment, but now we know it doesn't work.

We recently had Donald Trump for president. I don't see how direct rule from Washington is going to keep us safer in the long run if someone like that could be elected president.

I have a solution for that too.

I become President for Life. And anyone who doesn’t agree gets deported to either Alaska or Johnston Atoll

[Antipatros]

The natural immunity has to be better than the artifocial one - so I dont see a point that those who were sick should get vaccinated.

Correct, natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, but we don't host infection parties the same way we don't torture people to build up their pain endurance. Vaccination is a far safer option, it doesn't affect you severely to create immunity.

Doesn't have to be either or.

If you get vaccinated and then get a mild or asymptomatic infection, you will still enjoy the benefits of natural immunity, while reducing the risk of serious illness. Likewise, if you've already had an infection, you still get an additional benefit out of the vaccine.

I believe that health authorities are, for the most part, recommending that people who have been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 still get vaccinated.

From the CDC website:

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:

* Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
* Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.

Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.

If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine.

If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations for people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A.

Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

[Turk Cumhuriyeti]

"I'll die eventually" has to be one of the laziest excuses for not protecting yourself.

Well no - it is a fair reason.
it is a horrible reason for endangering others though. Be that by not taking precautions against becoming a spreader of disease or not caring if one will take up a hospital bed someone else who does care about their survival might need.

Not, my soul, i was just educated on other principles when I was a child - that the human doesnt choose his fate and if something happens - it happens, its not job of the human to ask why. If I die of corona (or something else) I hope that my family will take care of my wife and my child, if a relative of mine dies (of corona or something else) to take care of his children. Thats it.

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My mom accidentally drank from the water bottle of a colleague who has the rona a few days ago and she didn't get tested because "I have no symptoms." Sigh.

[Antipatros]

My mom accidentally drank from the water bottle of a colleague who has the rona a few days ago and she didn't get tested because "I have no symptoms." Sigh.

Is she vaccinated?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well no - it is a fair reason.
it is a horrible reason for endangering others though. Be that by not taking precautions against becoming a spreader of disease or not caring if one will take up a hospital bed someone else who does care about their survival might need.

Not, my soul, i was just educated on other principles when I was a child - that the human doesnt choose his fate and if something happens - it happens, its not job of the human to ask why. If I die of corona (or something else) I hope that my family will take care of my wife and my child, if a relative of mine dies (of corona or something else) to take care of his children. Thats it.

Fatalism when it's only yourself taking the bullet is pretty ok I guess. However, when that attitude impacts others because "Meh imma die anyway why do I need this vaccine" it becomes pretty problematic.

[Turk Cumhuriyeti]

Correct, natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, but we don't host infection parties the same way we don't torture people to build up their pain endurance. Vaccination is a far safer option, it doesn't affect you severely to create immunity.

Doesn't have to be either or.

If you get vaccinated and then get a mild or asymptomatic infection, you will still enjoy the benefits of natural immunity, while reducing the risk of serious illness. Likewise, if you've already had an infection, you still get an additional benefit out of the vaccine.

I believe that health authorities are, for the most part, recommending that people who have been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 still get vaccinated.

From the CDC website:

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:

* Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
* Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.

Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.

If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine.

If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations for people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A.

Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

I dont live in America and Im not interested in the position of the CDC. Actually, Im not interested also in the position of the Turkish "academicans",either. Im interested in the position of the doctors who really encounter patients with any diseases and can tell you their experience from first hand.

[Great Algerstonia]

My body already trained against it. And stop with these hysterias of "deadly fucking disseases" I have been in more dangerous medical contions, too. Moreovee we will all die, everybody when his time comes.

"I'll die eventually" has to be one of the laziest excuses for not protecting yourself.

Nah not really. For example if I were to get a terminal illness I would reject all forms of treatment to extend my life, as my time already has come.

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My mom accidentally drank from the water bottle of a colleague who has the rona a few days ago and she didn't get tested because "I have no symptoms." Sigh.

Is she vaccinated?

Yeah. She's become increasingly radicalized over the last few years, but she got the vaccine a few weeks before she became an anti-vaxxer.

She'll probably be fine but it annoys me, there's nothing to lose by getting tested.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"I'll die eventually" has to be one of the laziest excuses for not protecting yourself.

Nah not really. For example if I were to get a terminal illness I would reject all forms of treatment to extend my life, as my time already has come.

Appendicitis could be terminal if left untreated.